ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 8

[NewJerseyMom]

Doesn't seem that out of the ordinary. I usually unfollow my ex's while following their friends and vice versa. This seems like a normal breakup pattern to me.

It’s also possible, on Instagram at least for anyone to “remove” someone from their follow list. So depending on the circumstances of a breakup or if someone is drunk or emotional you can go and remove your ex which would then make you unfollow each other. Sometimes you regret it when you sober up. I’ve had a lot of younger friends want to use my insta to check their exes accounts because they did just that. For that reason I’m not reading too much into it.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

My understanding is they called Ethan’s brother. That’s what his parents said.

I missed that. If link easy can you link?

 

[Emerald1328]

Yes but didn't they say "most" were in their beds? not all

Based on what LE said in their press conference, they were all likely asleep when they were stabbed. That doesn’t mean one or more survived the initial assault and was able to get off their bed, thus not being found in the bed if that’s the case.

 

[Hotbell312]

Here’s my 2 cents. I think the calling of J was completely unrelated. K probably wanted to see her ex and when he didn’t answer her calls, her friend called for her. Used to do that often in my college days. I think this killer is familiar to them, however I think they are peripheral. Someone in the neighborhood, who knew their coming and going. A loner, who may have been rejected by the girls or someone who looks like them. <modsnip - off topi> May have a parent who was former army. If I had to profile age 18-30 male. I think they are still in town, but so much of a loner they blend in well. <modsnip> Hopefully, they will catch this person.

 

[Emerald1328]

I am not willing to find a link, especially one from the first week. But I do remember hearing she claimed it as her ESA, and in some places that is considered a service animal and allowed.

I’m pretty sure that was someone’s guess and wasn’t actually reported. Could be wrong.

 

[Leve]

I may have missed it. Was it reported that the roommates called friends or summoned friends? Summoned could mean that they ran to a neighbor's - that is a perfectly normal reaction.

Also was it stated that all victims were found in their beds? I thought the coroner said that then walked it back I know they were attacked while asleep.

 

[isabella88]

I understand that. It has to be entered as evidence for thay to happen. Investigators can find clues to lead them in a direction to solve the case without the prosecution entering the clue as evidence.

I don't think that's what the issue is here. Night.

 

[Astro71]

I missed that. If link easy can you link?

 

[juliasalmons]

Here’s my 2 cents. I think the calling of J was completely unrelated. K probably wanted to see her ex and when he didn’t answer her calls, her friend called for her. Used to do that often in my college days. I think this killer is familiar to them, however I think they are peripheral. Someone in the neighborhood, who knew their coming and going. A loner, who may have been rejected by the girls or someone who looks like them. <modsnip> May have a parent who was former army. If I had to profile age 18-30 male. I think they are still in town, but so much of a loner they blend in well. <modsnip> Hopefully, they will catch this person.

This. I think it may be someone who knows who they are but they don't know who this person is. Does that make sense.

 

[Lillymac]

Thought regarding timeline, they’re looking for video up to 6AM, which is at least 2-3 hours after they have indicated time of death (3-4AM). Has anyone considered that the perpetrator was still in the house possibly 1-2 hours AFTER murdering the 4 victims? That doesn’t imply someone feeling like they need to exit in hurry. One would think if it was really about revenge or some sort of rage that type of perpetrator would want to exit pretty quickly as their cortisol would probably kick to flight mode. The victim’s father mentions a messy scene and “sloppy”, with evidence left behind. But that doesn‘t necessarily mean it was evidence connected to the perpetrator or it was not very well orchestrated. It could have been messy and sloppy due to what the perpetrator did to the victims after they were murdered, not necessarily as a result of the actual act murder.
I’m also extremely curious about the 911 call. I find it very implausible that a group of college students or even one for that matter) would see someone lying down but opt not to go administer aid in some way shape or form but just call the police and wait. But then police get there and EMS do not go into the house? If they truly thought someone was passed out/unconscious, EMS would’ve at least tried to enter the house. And they must’ve known that the other roommates were in the house/not communicating at noon on Sunday, yet no one checks on them? IMO, the 911 call explains the true nature of the crime scene (gruesome) and not “someone unconscious, need a welfare check kind of call.” It‘s much more likely the 911 call was made and then surviving roommates called friends or RAN OUT OF THE HOUSE to the nearest house they knew. I find it hard to believe the roommates would’ve stuck around long if they saw the scene (which I think we HAVE to assume at least one of them did).

In the account I read of the 911 call that was posted here, the caller indicated that one of their roommates was unconscious. Who reported it was Ethan? They clearly say it was a roommate. Ethan didn't live there, did he?

 

[isabella88]

I may have missed it. Was it reported that the roommates called friends or summoned friends? Summoned could mean that they ran to a neighbor's - that is a perfectly normal reaction.

Also was it stated that all victims were found in their beds? I thought the coroner said that then walked it back I know they were attacked while asleep.

I agree. Vague. LE said "summoned". I thought the word was a bit precious.

 

[annpats]

We also discovered the 1st floor is soundproofed

Did we? I don't remember reading that.

Anyway, my question is why is the bottom floor soundproofed?
Who soundproofed it? The owner? The people living on that floor?

 

[darlinikkisiks]

Doesn't seem that out of the ordinary. I usually unfollow my ex's while following their friends and vice versa. This seems like a normal breakup pattern to me.

I think we’re agreeing. I haven’t really seen anything official about how long KG and JD had been broken up, but what I had gleaned from interviews was not long?

It seems like KG’s feelings about the breakup and her mom’s take on it might have been in two different places at the time of her death, but that might just be the hindsight that comes with age (i.e. seemed like nothing major to her mom, but KG might have been more pressed about it). Hard to tell, but they def were still a little salty on socials it seems!

 

[Leve]

About the phone calls, if they had gotten into an argument, she may have thought he blocked her number so she used her friends phone to call.

 

[William Goat]

I’m quite impressed with MPD and their commitment to keeping the public updated as much as possible and addressing all social media rumours so far as they circulate, they try to nip them in the bud to keep the focus on the facts we do know. It is impressive! JMO

Yeah. They started this case off a little rough with their public statements but it seems like they got their act together now.

<modsnip - off topic>

 

[positive]

What's to stop the killer from saying "wait a sec, I dropped that AFTER the murders when I was taking a walk"? Evidence found now will be hard to prove.

MOO.

In the scenario I made above the ID card would not be the proof of the murder but be used to natrow the investigation to gain evidence for a conviction. The ID would not be used in trial and would not be the proof needed to convict. Just a lead. Like if an anonymous caller called the tip line. The tip would never come to light in court. In this scenario neither would the ID.

 

[debirlfan]

Thank you for saying this. I’ve also seen a lot of people asking why the surviving roommates didn’t go around to all of the other rooms to try to see where the other roommates were and/or why they were inside the house when the 911 call was placed but not when the police arrived. While I might have missed it I haven’t seen anyone suggest that the 911 operator would have told them to go outside in case a threat remained inside the house. Isn’t that standard? JMO but I have always been led to believe that it is. You do not send anyone into a situation where they might also become a victim of a crime.

If at some point they realized none of the upstairs roommates were waking up, and related that to 911, they might have been told to wait outside in case there was carbon monoxide or other fumes in the house - which would actually be more likely than a mass murder.

 

[soccy]

I would really like to know how LE is attacking this crime. Have they divided their manpower up into teams that each focus on a possible motive? What do they think the most likely motive is? Have they dug deep enough to thoroughly clear those closest to the deceased? I’m also curious as to why none of their close friends or workmates have spoken publicly. If they have I’ve not seen where. Are they afraid to? Have some of them lawyered up? I would also like to know specifics related to the brutality of the murders. I live in East Idaho and am all too familiar with Chad and Lori Daybell and the brutality involved with their case. I think of “Under the Banner of Heaven” and the brutality dealt the victims in that story, executed with a Bowie knife, of which the Kabar is a subset. DezNat uses Bowie knife imagery as part of their belief system. My point being that not only military, ex-military, and paramilitary should be associated with this type of weapon. If the crime scene is as bad as I/we imagine then it’s an emotional attack, one inspired by sudden reactionary hate, vengeful hate, or fundamentalist belief type of hate. Fundamentalist types of hate can include incels, cultists, and simply strangely wired individuals like mass murderers. I can’t get past the motive. And there really hasn’t been enough info disseminated to narrow it down. Just my thoughts. What a horrible outcome for these kids, their friends, coworkers, and families. I’m thoroughly disturbed.

I have wondered about some element of fanaticism as a motive in this case which I am finding very disturbing also. These kids seemed delightful and very happy people, and there does not seem, from what I can see, that they had lots of personal drama going on which would create a motive.

 

[Janitor101]

The FBI guy interviewed last night on CNN gave the most insight I have heard so far as to how the investigation is going and the vital importance of Profiling for a lead on this case.
I’ll being repost the link. Quite a unique interview with Rosemary Church CNN.
To paraphrase in part he said that we would probably not be able to guess the killers motives because he doesn’t think like we do. He is deranged. He may have killed only the 4 because that was enough for him….

Thanks so much for the tip! I found it through google. The FBI agents name is Steve Moore.

 

[Cassady]

UPDATE received via MPD
“ * On the night of the incident, officers located a dog at the residence. The dog was unharmed and turned over to Animal Services and then released to a responsible party.”

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* Rumor Control: Detectives are aware of a Latah County Sheriff’s Office incident of the report of a skinned dog and have determined it is unrelated to this incident. Contact Latah County Sheriff’s Office for further details.

“Detectives are also aware of a Moscow Police incident of the report of deceased animals left on a resident’s property. This was determined to be wildlife activity and unrelated to the incident.”

* There will be a News Conference to update the public on the investigation.
Wednesday, November 23, 2022
1:00 p.m.
University of Idaho
Alumni Lounge of the ICCU Arena
900 Stadium Drive, Moscow, Idaho
The conference will be live-streamed on YouTube at:

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Wait....when did LE get the dog from the residence? It says "On the night of the incident...".

Does that mean in and around the time of the murders (late night 12th/early morning 13th) or on the actually night of the 13th after the investigation started?