ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #19

[wodalo2]

If I remember correctly in one of the recent interviews with LE or the PI, there was something said about double jeopardy? Something to the effect of why they were taking it slow heading into the prosecutorial phase?

Can anyone confirm that?

 

[ILOKAL]

There was a lot of innuendo and insinuation going on, but there's no more evidence and very little real information than we had yesterday.

I get the impression that Klein knows *just* how to respond to the questions without really saying anything of value, knowing what many want to hear, and what will get their jaws flapping. IMO FWIW, I think the four adults that were camping are included in Klein's number of witnesses.

To me it sounds like Vernal made his 911 call at 2:26 (first call that DeOrr was missing) which is when Klein's timeline ends, then Jessica's at 2:28 and GGPA's at 2:36. JMO

 

[LietKynes]

Here's hoping the witness, if there are valid ones, will speak up !!


Off-topic; but a case that happened years ago --- it was in the papers and this happened long before the internet and social media.... but a middle school girl went missing and her parents said they were positive she'd been kidnapped.
Many searches were conducted to no avail. I don't remember hearing if they brought out any sar dogs.The parents thought she'd been taken on her way home from school, which was within walking distance.
Several months went by and no leads.

Than an elderly witness called the sheriff with what she thought might be relevant ; that she saw a pickup truck driving by her house that was the color of the parents' truck , but she couldn't see who was in it or if there were more than one or two persons in the cab.

About 30-40 minutes later she saw the same truck driving past her house in the opposite direction at great speed.
This was the day the girl vanished; but the lady didn't think it important at the time.

There were more interviews conducted with the parents and finally the missing girl's father confessed to murdering his girl, and led them to his her body under an abandoned house ; which was a few miles from the witnesses' home.

I've felt that this poor lady was kicking herself figuratively for not speaking up sooner , but it was her tip that led to the crime being solved.


It will be one little statement, maybe, that will give the investigators and le what they need. Hoping !!
MOO

 

[Little Ol Me]

I get the impression that Klein knows *just* how to respond to the questions without really saying anything of value, knowing what many want to hear, and what will get their jaws flapping. IMO FWIW, I think the four adults that were camping are included in Klein's number of witnesses.

To me it sounds like Vernal made his 911 call at 2:26 (first call that DeOrr was missing) which is when Klein's timeline ends, then Jessica's at 2:28 and GGPA's at 2:36. JMO

I somewhat agree.
I think Vernal's call was at 2:26,...after listening to Jessica's 911 call at 2:28.
Earlier Kline said that the 911 calls were at 2:22, 2:26 & 2:28.
If those times were correct, I think GGPA's call was the 2:22 call.
Maybe it was dropped? Sending Vernal hauling down the road for a better signal.

ETA: KIC.. There was a question put to us that Mr. Klein answered which was the time of the first request for help to 911 - that date was July 10, 2015, at 14:22 hours.
https://www.facebook.com/KleinInvestigations/?fref=nf

 

[minnermomma]

Still trying to get caught up on this afternoons fast moving thread. Adding my Thanks to all that posted Q&A quotes today.

From Klein's answers, I feel like I have been kicked in my gut by a really whizzed off mule.

Like many of us, I was hanging onto the wee hope that this sweet child could Maybe still be alive.

Now learning that a portion of what happened to Little ones Lonzie Barton and Malik Drummond might have happened to baby DeOrr also, is truly heartbreaking.

Just makes ya wanna get the word out ...If you don't want your little 2 year old boys anymore, there's plenty of loving families that would LOVE to have them. Don't just throw them out like trash!! MOO

 

[Elle*Bee]

Because polygraphs aren't very accurate anyway, but LE and the FBI use them to intimidate people and try and make them tell the truth or confess. JMO.

And even if that ^^^ doesn't work, a polygraph might help LE direct their investigation if it provides certain hints and clues.

 

[ZooSleuth]

BBM - IMO Klein is a bit arrogant and a bully. His "throwing shade" on IR could be a lame, passive aggressive play to get IR to talk. I get the feeling that he is pretty frustrated by the fact that IR's lawyer has not allowed IR to be interviewed by him and his team, in a "how dare them" kind of way.

Exactly! I was thinking about posting the same thing, but you explained it way better than I would have. I think Klein is doing a good job overall but he really oversteps his bounds when he flexes on people who have already helped LE and have no obligation to speak to a PI.

 

[bluesneakers]

Fishermen always talk to each other so if GGP and IR were fishing at the same time they would have been seen and probably talked to. I don't know how that might affect the overall timeline, unless GGP and IR said 8am was the last time they saw JM and DK.

Ack! I'm replying to myself!

But I had another thought. What if IR and GGP went fishing at 8am, said that was the last time they saw JK and DM and then didn't see them again until they got back from the store? What does that do to the timeline?

I could be wrong but so far I haven't seen anything about when they all woke up or what they did before they went to the store.

 

[Groundwork]

I just wanted to note that my rv only took propane and ran on propane tanks..it would run like a month or so on 2 propane tanks. We rarely ever used a generator and I dont recall the generator using diesel. If they were not even staying in the camper why buy diesel? Was there any part of the camper that even used diesel? Was there even a diesel operated generator in the camp site?

I believe ATVs use diesel.

 

[gliving]

I thought JM, VDK and little Deorr were living with Grandpa Kunz in Montpelier. Right? Grandpa Kunz said Deorr was his nap buddy. I gathered he provided child care while the parents worked.

 

[bessie]

Fishermen always talk to each other so if GGP and IR were fishing at the same time they would have been seen and probably talked to. I don't know how that might affect the overall timeline, unless GGP and IR said 8am was the last time they saw JM and DK.

The "fishermen" would not necessarily have seen GGP or IR. The "fishermen" might have seen DeOrr.

When Klein talked about a new witness a few weeks ago, I speculated that individual might be an independent eyewitness who observed someone doing something. Then last week, Klein and his team interviewed people in IF, and said they were heading north to check out other leads. From those interviews, perhaps they were able to establish two or three additional credible witnesses who filled in, or solidified, points on the timeline. So to go back to ITD's idea, IF a fisherman, hiker, camper (independent witness) observed an alive and well DeOrr at 8:00 A.M., the timeline commences from that point until the 2:30-ish 911 calls.

JMO

 

[gliving]

In checking with Idaho Repository I find Jessica is going through her divorce and losing custody of her children about the same time she's beginning her relationship with VDK and her ensuing pregnancy with Deorr. It must have been so stressful. I can't imagine.

 

[Blue Skies]

I started visiting websleuths when a local case of a missing person went unsolved several years ago. I only visited sporadically until I heard of this case while on vacation. My thoughts prompted me to register several months ago, but this is my first post. I've not yet caught up on posts today, but other than that I've read every thread.

The first thing I thought of when I saw the very first interview with the parents was the "Balloon Boy" case from 2009. DK's demeanor just reminded me so much of how that father acted. It was like he was finally having his "moment." I think it's possible that this started out as a hoax for attention or money and something went terribly wrong. JM and DK may or may not have known that something had gone wrong in that first interview. They may have truly believed that he would be found at that point. Maybe they handed him off to someone who was supposed to return him to a certain place where he could be "found" alive and unharmed after they had their "moment," but that person didn't follow the plan and either abducted or harmed Deorr.

I know this seems far-fetched, but I just can't get past how much this reminded me of the balloon boy case.

 

[Lilibet]

Ack! I'm replying to myself!

But I had another thought. What if IR and GGP went fishing at 8am, said that was the last time they saw JK and DM and then didn't see them again until they got back from the store? What does that do to the timeline?

I could be wrong but so far I haven't seen anything about when they all woke up or what they did before they went to the store.

BBM

I agree with the early fishing by IR and GGP. I've always thought that fishermen like to get an even earlier start than 8:00 and maybe catch something for breakfast. But maybe it was a lazy morning or maybe they got back from fishing at 8:00. Little kids get up pretty early, so DeOrr should have been up before 8:00 either way...if he was there IMO. I'm totally confused about the timeline possibilities, so feel free to disregard or correct my ramblings.

You'd think they would have covered their morning activities in their first interview, but Noooooo.....

 

[Lilibet]

Welcome! That's a very interesting observation about the Balloon Boy Dad and DK having a similar demeanor. Your theory is certainly possible. I actually don't think it's any more farfetched than everything else we've discussed. Hmmmmm...

I started visiting websleuths when a local case of a missing person went unsolved several years ago. I only visited sporadically until I heard of this case while on vacation. My thoughts prompted me to register several months ago, but this is my first post. I've not yet caught up on posts today, but other than that I've read every thread.

The first thing I thought of when I saw the very first interview with the parents was the "Balloon Boy" case from 2009. DK's demeanor just reminded me so much of how that father acted. It was like he was finally having his "moment." I think it's possible that this started out as a hoax for attention or money and something went terribly wrong. JM and DK may or may not have known that something had gone wrong in that first interview. They may have truly believed that he would be
found at that point. Maybe they handed him off to someone who was supposed to return him to a certain place where he could be "found" alive and unharmed after they had their "moment," but that person didn't follow the plan and either abducted or harmed Deorr.

I know this seems far-fetched, but I just can't get past how much this reminded me of the balloon boy case.

 

[Blue Skies]

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[mrjitty]

I am confused. I thought Control Questions were simple questions such as:
*Today is Monday.
*I am wearing a blue shirt.
*Your name is Red Riding Hood.
How can a person fail Control Questions? TIA.

Its not to do with the answers

If I understand correctly, the point of the control questions is to set the baseline in terms of the physical data being measured.

So if they can't establish a physiological baseline on non-contentious qns then the whole approach doesn't work

 

[giagreen]

I'd like to know why Klein is coming out with this IR and the parents fishing story being false. Not that I don't believe him but then what was SB going on about the other night? Didn't he say pretty much that was still the story? And in fact isn't SB the only one to have told us that fishing story? And also SB said that his time line was about three hours where Kleins was four....now Kleins is like seven hours. WTH? Do these two just disagree on a few things or is SB holding back? Or is Klein maybe jumping the gun?

 

[mrjitty]

The most interesting question is why is Klein briefing all kinds of tasty but fact-lite claims on FB when the parents are under suspicion of disposing of their child?

Is this just him grandstanding for his own benefit?

Or is this a media strategy to crank up the heat?

It's drip drip drip every couple of days

 

[Hoosier952]

There is also the huge issue of some pictures might be public and some might be friends only. Or even shared with smaller groups of friends. It's impossible to know everything someone is posting and sharing on Facebook so I think it's impossible to make any judgments based off of what we can see there.

And like you said - people can be careful about what they're presenting to the world.

Facebook pictures- my house looks spotless, my kids are mostly clean and dressed, and everyone is smiling. Reality- the house isn't that clean, my kids painted their face with washable markers and weren't wearing pants, and the chances of getting 3 kids to smile for a single picture...slim.

I'd like to know why Klein is coming out with this IR and the parents fishing story being false. Not that I don't believe him but then what was SB going on about the other night? Didn't he say pretty much that was still the story? And in fact isn't SB the only one to have told us that fishing story? And also SB said that his time line was about three hours where Kleins was four....now Kleins is like seven hours. WTH? Do these two just disagree on a few things or is SB holding back? Or is Klein maybe jumping the gun?

I'm thinking that SB is holding back and taking the safe(r) route. I don't think he wants to publicly crucify the parents, but he also feels the need to keep the public somewhat educated. He also can't jeopardize evidence or the case as a whole.

I think Klein is trying to win a popularity contest to gain business. I think he's picking and choosing answers and statements to get everyone roped in and speculating and questioning things. Look at what he's done for speculation today. He's caused all the nitwits (his word not mine!) to speculate on everything and then comes back and chastises everyone for speculating and starting rumors. I certainly don't blame IR's lawyer for keeping IR away from him.