ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #20

[Paulas88]

This is an interesting concept because unfortunately it would open up more time for something to go wrong.

ETA: However Klein did say it was outside prosecutorial questions.

It would make sense that the first sighting of DeOrr (?) would be at 8am Friday, if
just GGPA/IR were seen at the Silver dollar Thursday eve. I'm thinking a toddler
would be asleep at the 9:30 campsite arrival.

 

[forsaken]

I feel like whatever LE and Klein think that happen that day happen Friday morning. Why els would anyone lie about who cooked what (assuming breakfast) with Kleins timeline dropping to 8am. What in the world could happen to a child that'd be so bad you'd have to cover it up at 8am? Otherwise what's the significance to who cooked what. Maybe they forgot cause people forget in tramatic evints.

People don't "forget" when they need to re-tell what happened, if it's from an experiential memory, especially if it's a "traumatic events". Unless they made up a story and having trouble remembering every little details....

 

[renarde]

Maybe GGP and IR arrived in Leadore before the others and figured they'd go have some jojos and a couple of beverages at the Silver Dollar while they waited for DK and JM to get there.

The only reason this matters, to me, is ... I was hoping someone other than the four had seen DeOrr that day... or week, even.

 

[Yvettea]

If DeOrr wasn't with his parents on the trip to Leadore Friday that was some gutsy performance on the part of his parents - or desperate - or both. Just wondering when DeOrr was last seen.

 

[renarde]

If DeOrr wasn't with his parents on the trip to Leadore that was some gutsy performance on the part of his parents - or desperate - or both. Just wondering when DeOrr was last seen.

8 a.m. Friday?

 

[carbuff]

Does that answer mean DeOrr wasn't there? I'm not sure what "outside prosecutorial questions" means in the context of that very specific question.

I took it to mean that it wasn't something that would be involved in anything related to the prosecution, so he could talk about it. He seems quite sure that whatever happened, it was Friday.

 

[giagreen]

People don't "forget" when they need to re-tell what happened, if it's from an experiential memory, especially if it's a "traumatic events". Unless they made up a story and having trouble remembering every little details....

Respectfully I'm not sure how you can say that till you've lived it. From personal experience yes people do forget. One thing that stood out one day can be overshadowed by a stronger memory that comes in later. Little things do get lost and disorganized.

 

[Midge Montana]

Respectfully I'm not sure how you can say that till you've lived it. From personal experience yes people do forget. One thing that stood out one day can be overshadowed by a stronger memory that comes in later. Little things do get lost and disorganized.

I think it depends on the person. My hubby is a Desert Storm Combat Vet. 25 years later, he cannot forget every little detail of what he saw and did in battle, sadly.

 

[Aunt_Tulip]

I think it depends on the person. My hubby is a Desert Storm Combat Vet. 25 years later, he cannot forget every little detail of what he saw and did in battle, sadly.

Please thank him for his service!

 

[giagreen]

I think it depends on the person. My hubby is a Desert Storm Combat Vet. 25 years later, he cannot forget every little detail of what he saw and did in battle, sadly.

But does he remember who cooked what before battle or does what he seen overshadowed that memory?

 

[pepelepolecat]

Respectfully I'm not sure how you can say that till you've lived it. From personal experience yes people do forget. One thing that stood out one day can be overshadowed by a stronger memory that comes in later. Little things do get lost and disorganized.

Traumatic memories are encoded differently than everyday memories and often have a physical component. Example: PTSD survivors may be triggered by relatively benign stimuli because they were encoded in their brain during the traumatic event. So the smell of bacon may be triggering to someone who was cooking bacon over an open fire when they realized their child went missing. (complete example -- NOT saying anyone was cooking bacon or anything else that morning).

Some people dissociate, and that may be more strongly correlated to forgetting. But ime, you remember every. single. vivid. detail. in startling clarity.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080509152307.htm

ime, moo, ymmv

 

[Yvettea]

Regardless of the ability or inability of people to remember small details following a traumatic event, apparently the parents have not been able to remember to the satisfaction of law enforcement when DeOrr was last seen and so it goes.

 

[giagreen]

Traumatic memories are encoded differently than everyday memories and often have a physical component. Example: PTSD survivors may be triggered by relatively benign stimuli because they were encoded in their brain during the traumatic event. So the smell of bacon may be triggering to someone who was cooking bacon over an open fire when they realized their child went missing. (complete example -- NOT saying anyone was cooking bacon or anything else that morning).

Some people dissociate, and that may be more strongly correlated to forgetting. But ime, you remember every. single. vivid. detail. in startling clarity.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080509152307.htm

ime, moo, ymmv

I know all that. And I also know how it's like to repeat the same story over and over and over to LE during a tramatic event and my story's changed. I remembered things I didn't remember before and forgot small things because they where overshadowed by new things. And not once did I lie.
Like I said until you lived it I'm not sure how you can even try to understand it let alone make judgment on one for it. Nobody is going to tell me I'm wrong because I've lived it. If you had you'd know what I mean.

Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,
Nothing is going to get better. It's not.
-Dr. Seuss

 

[kammiemc]

I took it to mean that it wasn't something that would be involved in anything related to the prosecution, so he could talk about it. He seems quite sure that whatever happens, it was Friday.

Do you mind explaining your thoughts a little? I have always wondered if there was something hinky about Thurs night. I guess something could have happened after the Silver Dollar in the night, or that nothing happened that was "telling" of anything at the Silver Dollar.

But are you thinking for sure Klein is indicating that whatever incident happened took place between 8 AM-2:30 PM? I think I got thrown off by Klein's concern that there was no scent at the campground--like he was concerned that DeOrr was never there.

I wish I need a decoder for the q and a's! Thx


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[giagreen]

And besides why are we all talking about the one and only thing I said that is disagreed with?
Wth is with 8am? And why does SB find that they can't remember who cooked what to be significant? And I assume breakfast because of the time I beleive they left for the store.

Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,
Nothing is going to get better. It's not.
-Dr. Seuss

 

[mommylicious]

Not sure about anyone else, but for me it was this:

DG: Did any, or all, of the adults go to the Silver Dollar Restaurant and Bar in Leadore on Thursday, July 9th?
Feb 1 at 10:06pm
Klein Investigations and Consulting:
As this is in the timeline - and outside any prosecutional questions - the answer is yes.

How did this person know to ask that question?

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1688440941411392&id=1625921954329958

Totally guessing here, but it seems at some point there was discussion about the supposed evening sighting in town on Friday of the "filthy, bawling" toddler and the possibility that it had actually occurred Thursday, not Friday, since by 6pm Friday he'd already been reported missing. That may be what prompted the question.

 

[Midge Montana]

But does he remember who cooked what before battle or does what he seen overshadowed that memory?

Well, it's been 25 years so maybe not every detail. But yes, you'd be amazed at some of the seemingly 'little details' he remembers even after two and a half decades. He is 'triggered' by the oddest things that happened in the days surrounding the major battle. I'm not going into detail, but it amazes me.
Now, as I said, everyone's mind is different. But IMO, if the parents just absolutely can't remember what they did that morning, they'd just say they can't remember instead of trying to grab at straws which results in several different stories each.

 

[Midge Montana]

Please thank him for his service!

Thank you, Aunt Tulip. I will do that.

 

[kammiemc]

I know all that. And I also know how it's like to repeat the same story over and over and over to LE during a tramatic event and my story's changed. I remembered things I didn't remember before and forgot small things because they where overshadowed by new things. And not once did I lie.
Like I said until you lived it I'm not sure how you can even try to understand it let alone make judgment on one for it. Nobody is going to tell me I'm wrong because I've lived it. If you had you'd know what I mean.

Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,
Nothing is going to get better. It's not.
-Dr. Seuss

I hope you don't mind me asking, but since you are sharing your personal experience, when the things you remembered changed, did they constantly change with every interview over a long period of time? Did LE worry that you were misleading them and give you a poly?

I reported someone missing (who was missing and subsequently found five days later) and my problem wasn't inconsistencies in my story. The cop just plain thought I was wrong or lying at first. But I convinced him of the truth in short order and that was that.


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[Yvettea]

And besides why are we all talking about the one and only thing I said that is disagreed with?
Wth is with 8am? And why does SB find that they can't remember who cooked what to be significant? And I assume breakfast because of the time I beleive they left for the store.

What is the one and only thing you said that's disagreed with? And what time do you believe they left for the store?