GUILTY ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow, Tylee Ryan, Tammy Daybell, Charles Vallow *Arrests* #76

DNA Solves
DNA Solves
DNA Solves

New Posts

Status
Not open for further replies.
Niner said:
That could be - waiting for extradition.
When I posted the info a few days ago - there was no Charge listed yet. So I found it interesting that it is now 1st degree premed murder. And that 10/2/19 date threw me. I do see on my notes that is the day of the BB attempt.

I shall keep an eye on the court site - and see if any more charges are added - maybe in the next few days or as you said - after her sentencing & extradition in July.
Click to expand...
It does seem to me that Lori murdered Charles- she didn't just help plan it. She arranged the armed house guests, evicted the unarmed, timed calling 911, set up isolating Charles from support....she was the manager of the whole murder. IMO. I think as an armchair prosecutor I'd seek to indict for both conspiracy and 1st degree.

MOO
 
We've opened a thread for discussion of the charges against Lori Vallow in the death of Charles Vallow, July 2019:

www.websleuths.com

AZ - Lori Vallow Daybell charged w/ conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder in 2019 death of former husband Charles Vallow, Chandler, Maricopa County

https://www.maricopacountyattorney.org/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=820 Tuesday, June 29, 2021 (Phoenix, AZ) – On June 24, 2021, a Maricopa County Grand Jury charged Lori N. Vallow with one count of Conspiracy to Commit First Degree Murder, a CLASS 1 FELONY Dangerous, in the death of Charles Vallow...
www.websleuths.com www.websleuths.com
 
Ruminations said:
It does seem to me that Lori murdered Charles- she didn't just help plan it. She arranged the armed house guests, evicted the unarmed, timed calling 911, set up isolating Charles from support....she was the manager of the whole murder. IMO. I think as an armchair prosecutor I'd seek to indict for both conspiracy and 1st degree.

MOO
Click to expand...
Yep, me too.
 
Jber said:
Thanks for posting this link. I hadn’t seen it previously, but have been listening to it and it’s fascinating. I’ve only made it about halfway through so far, but when listening to the story about Stacey’s death I wondered: Is there any info on whether the other Cox brother (Adam) was around when Stacey was in the coma/hospice? I think it was mentioned that he was not in Hawaii with the rest of the family due to his job. I also wondered about Stacey’s ex-husband, and whether he had any suspicions about Alex’s involvement in Stacey’s death.
Click to expand...
I don't mean to sound crass or uncaring, but reading through the entire divoce documentation and associated statements, Stacey would have died anyway, by not taking her insulin and not eating. Stacey was very, very ill.

I don't think anyone was surprised by Stacey's death.
 
Sillybilly said:
ADMIN NOTE:

Just because someone used the word "cocaine" once does not warrant derailing the thread with discussion about it.

Like saying "thank your lucky stars" does not warrant ongoing discussion of the Milky Way.

Please stay on topic folks. Thank you.
Click to expand...

This will likely get me smacked but... You just made me want a Milky Way bar. ;)

** Please no one reply **
 
Nikynoo said:
I don't mean to sound crass or uncaring, but reading through the entire divoce documentation and associated statements, Stacey would have died anyway, by not taking her insulin and not eating. Stacey was very, very ill.

I don't think anyone was surprised by Stacey's death.
Click to expand...

Maybe she would have died. IDK. It was preventable by all appearances.

I don't think Stacey's ex was uncaring, but he eventually came to the conclusion that he had to prioritize putting the O2 mask on himself and saving their daughter. That is not uncaring. It's just the very hard decision he had to make, to leave his ill wife with the very toxic family she insisted on returning to.

I don't think that the Cox family did all they could, then made a difficult decision to let Stacey make her own choices. So in that way, they were not sufficiently caring. They were the opposite- they totally denied that there was a problem that they wished Stacey would address. Flat out thought her ex was wrong to be concerned when an 8 year old girl cut her hair and said she was a three year old boy AJ. (Some 8 y.o. begin to Know they are trans, but they don't regress in age. I doubt that was going on since Melani seems cis to me- but if she tells me otherwise, good for her! Or him! I think it is more likely that Melani found safety in being younger and a boy. I suspect sex abuse and gender-specific food rules.)

The Cox family was flat out neglectful of Stacey and Melani by known facts. Some suspect they were worse than neglectful. (I suspect it, too.)

Stacey's COD was easily preventable. We will never know if the Cox's were not neglectful (or worse) if she would have survived.

MOO
 
Nikynoo said:
I don't mean to sound crass or uncaring, but reading through the entire divoce documentation and associated statements, Stacey would have died anyway, by not taking her insulin and not eating. Stacey was very, very ill.

I don't think anyone was surprised by Stacey's death.
Click to expand...
Especially if they were expecting it while in Hawaii
 
A while back we were speculating about AB's connection to the Dream Girls which was purportedly the reason Chad took interest in her. I still don't know who the Dreams Girls are/were, but just stumbled upon a reference in the timeline to one of Chad's emails to Lori (from January 22, 2019) where he explains their past lives:

James and Elena
Seven children, four sons, three daughters

M – [redacted] 5.1L (3)
F – Melani Boudreaux 3L (1)
F – [redacted] 4.3L (1)
M – [redacted] 5.1L (3) 16, tall, high school quarterback
F – [redacted] 4.3L (3), one of the Dream Girls
M – [redacted] 4.3L (1)
M – J.J. Vallow 4.2L (1)

Five names are were redacted by LE. One woman (perhaps AB) was Chad and Lori's daughter in a past life and was also a member of the Dream Girls. Perhaps the term was coined by Chad to make the imaginary past connections between people seem more interesting.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1258616866819301376
 
Gardenista said:
Perfect example of why I don't like juror interviews

https://twitter.com/x/status/1662209027101818880
Click to expand...
But... the juror did not express any confusion about jury instructions for how to use information from Arizona. To the contrary, he said it was very clear what was NOT to be considered to prove guilt. It was only to put evidence into context.

Nate asked him his opinion of LE's efforts having sat through the trial. The juror gave his opinion. And in so doing, he volunteered that he based his opinion on the demonstrative information presented, not on the evidence presented.

If the juror said, "gosh- that Arizona stuff made it very clear to me that Lori is the murdering type. And then I didn't need any evidence. I just knew she was guilty," THAT would be problematic.

And how is it confusing about co-conspirators? The only co-conspirators for which the prosecution presented criminal actions were Chad and Alex. If the jury came back and said, "We don't think Chad and Alex had anything to do with this.... we think Lori conspired with ???? THAT would be problematic because there was no evidence presented pointing to anyone else. Of course if the jury found conspiracy they'd have to find it with Chad or Alex or both. The other co-conspirators are mentioned so the defense doesn't point to someone else (like Prior did to Melanie G.) The prosecution covered that. "We mentioned other coconspiritors- we don't think that makes Lori less culpable."

The motion attempts to create confusion- making it seem that the jury was supposed to find at least 5 people guilty.

Edit addition: there is no way for the defense to know to what the juror referred when he said, "before or after." But if the juror was referring to things not in evidence such as body cam footage of Charles...there is no reason to assume the juror was aware of that during deliberations. The juror was released from service!

MOO
 
Last edited:
indicolite22 said:
A while back we were speculating about AB's connection to the Dream Girls which was purportedly the reason Chad took interest in her. I still don't know who the Dreams Girls are/were, but just stumbled upon a reference in the timeline to one of Chad's emails to Lori (from January 22, 2019) where he explains their past lives:

James and Elena
Seven children, four sons, three daughters

M – [redacted] 5.1L (3)
F – Melani Boudreaux 3L (1)
F – [redacted] 4.3L (1)
M – [redacted] 5.1L (3) 16, tall, high school quarterback
F – [redacted] 4.3L (3), one of the Dream Girls
M – [redacted] 4.3L (1)
M – J.J. Vallow 4.2L (1)

Five names are were redacted by LE. One woman (perhaps AB) was Chad and Lori's daughter in a past life and was also a member of the Dream Girls. Perhaps the term was coined by Chad to make the imaginary past connections between people seem more interesting.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1258616866819301376
Click to expand...
Interesting how past-life revelations seldom turn out to be a boring nobody, but always someone important in the culture of the people involved.
 
indicolite22 said:
A while back we were speculating about AB's connection to the Dream Girls which was purportedly the reason Chad took interest in her. I still don't know who the Dreams Girls are/were, but just stumbled upon a reference in the timeline to one of Chad's emails to Lori (from January 22, 2019) where he explains their past lives:

James and Elena
Seven children, four sons, three daughters

M – [redacted] 5.1L (3)
F – Melani Boudreaux 3L (1)
F – [redacted] 4.3L (1)
M – [redacted] 5.1L (3) 16, tall, high school quarterback
F – [redacted] 4.3L (3), one of the Dream Girls
M – [redacted] 4.3L (1)
M – J.J. Vallow 4.2L (1)

Five names are were redacted by LE. One woman (perhaps AB) was Chad and Lori's daughter in a past life and was also a member of the Dream Girls. Perhaps the term was coined by Chad to make the imaginary past connections between people seem more interesting.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1258616866819301376
Click to expand...
Bonkers, absolutely bonkers. Hard to credit that so many morons actually believed this. It reminds me of teenage girls designing their future dream home, complete with a ballroom. I guess if your (so-called) brain is stuffed full of all this garbage, it's not surprising that there's no room left for any common sense, let alone morals. IMO
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.

DNASolves

Who is Fairfield County Jane Doe (1993)?

Members online

... and 97 more.
Total: 542 (members: 98, guests: 444)

Online statistics

Members online
98
Guests online
444
Total visitors
542
Totals may include hidden visitors.

Forum statistics

Threads
608,343
Messages
18,237,977
Members
234,348
Latest member
Allira93
Back
Top