Has anyone else ever thought of the possibility that Tylee saw what went on inside the house with Alex and Charles, and because she’d be a witness that LE could possibly talk to and get the truth out of someday, Lori used that as even more reasoning for as to why something had to be done to get rid of her. I say “even more reasoning” because we already know that she talked about how they became possessed like zombies. I really feel whatever Lori (and Chad) have decided to do that they’ve convinced themselves that this was necessary and justifiable.
(ETA - I’ve wrote the same thing on some of the social media groups, I know some thought I was copying posts from here lol, no, I’m just sometimes sharing my thoughts on here and elsewhere, that’s all. Sorry )
(Copying your post in the media thread over here)
I know a lot of people have suggested this, including KW.
I don't happen to believe that Tylee saw Charles being shot. I think if she did, she would have known it didn't go down as Lori described (Charles and Alex fighting *on the ground* with Charles hitting Alex with the bat) or as Alex described (Charles *picking up* the bat and hitting Alex over the back of the head while he was *standing* with his back turned to Charles, before he went and got his gun while Charles did nothing). Tylee did not report seeing Charles hitting Alex with the bat, and if she did you can bet she would have said it because she didn't hold back with trying to cast him as the aggressor. I do believe it was very important to Lori to have Tylee outside at the moment Charles was murdered in cold blood and to have her with JJ to stop him getting out of the car and witnessing it too.
Tylee said
"she stood there with her little brother. Tylee indicted he was in the front seat so she opened the door and stood there. Tylee advised he tried to get out and she was keeping him there."
Lori said
"[redacted - Tylee] hates him."
Lori also said (after she got in the car)
"[redacted - JJ] was in the car and [redacted - Tylee] was freaking out."
(Also sidetracking here but this is very interesting in the context of Lori's actions consistently being projected onto Charles - Lori stated
"he didn't bother her last night which she was kind of surprised about because she was expecting "kind of an ambush", that he would just come over and be "just mean".)
Going back to the purse incident in January:
O: Has he done this before?
LV: Not this extreme but he's been ballistic where we had to leave because he was being awful and I don't want him to hurt one of the kids or something...
TR: Probably 3 or 4 times that I can remember.
LV: 13 years.
TR: Yeah.
So really just a stand up guy, overall.
O: (Laughs.) Hey I'm not making any judgement.
LV: (Laughs.)
Tylee is being sarcastic IMO, there's no way she was saying this as her truth about him in the context of that conversation. I think it's important because it shows how Lori has infected Tylee's opinions. Nowhere here does she say Charles had ever hurt Tylee - and I say it's because Tylee is in the room and she can't lie about that. Tylee is backing Lori up that they had to leave because of what Lori says he would do.
I also note that when the officer asks the question there is no accusation of physical threat from Charles on the table. He has allegedly taken her purse, oh and cheated. So it's hard to see what the officer is asking for here, he's bought the narrative that they had to leave for their own safety, but what in this incident report is he referring to? Coming home to his stuff being gone and then taking Lori's phone and ID? It's easy to see how Lori manipulates everything and even police officers stop thinking.
So I'll get to the point. I think on the day of Charles' death, Tylee felt she was the cause of Charles being shot.
Tylee said
"she never hit him with the bat or anything and it was for security and in hindsight she probably shouldn't have brought it at all because it caused for trouble."
I think Lori let her think that, that is why Tylee was freaking out in the car, and my guess is Tylee was coached using that as leverage - to say nothing about what they were doing or about Charles merely trying to get his phone back so he could take JJ, and to push the narrative that Charles was just enraged and crazy. Hence the reason Tylee says she saw Charles hold the bat like he was going to hit someone but then admitting she didn't see him holding the bat, and not knowing what anyone was saying. I do not believe Tylee didn't know that Lori had Charles' phone.
The trouble is, I think Tylee would have been thinking about this long afterwards, especially when Colby came over and was angry and upset with Lori because she wouldn't tell him what happened. I think Lori made Tylee feel she had to keep the secret too, and it would have been a weight on her conscience. And then with Lori's plans to wed Chad, and bring Melani in with Brandon's life insurance, and Chad being newly widowed too, without a doubt I think Lori knew that Tylee was going to put it all together. She was just too close to all the action to not see what was going to go down around her.
moo
links -
Tylee's police statement -
Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix
Lori's police statement -
Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix
Purse incident -
BODY CAM: Gilbert PD asks Lori Vallow to go to CBI