Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #13

[nhmemorymaker]

Hi BOH. Good to see you here. Just a small correction. I believe Lori and Chad are hiding out in a condo they rented "long term". The condo is where the reporter was reporting from and she talked to neighbors who said they hadn't seen Lori and Chad for several days. I know it's confusing because they were also seen at 2 hotels. But they checked out of both of the hotels after only 1 night each. Then they were seen back at the condo.

Here's the condo where they are renting: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4141-Queen-Emmas-Dr-APT-3-Princeville-HI-96722/89054865_zpid/

If they stocked the kitchen with food they could easily stay inside for weeks. But probably more likely they are coming and going from there mostly unnoticed by the neighbors. Many houses in that neighborhood are being used as vacation rentals. It would be easy for them to slip out unnoticed by people who are only there on holiday. I hope police or a PI are keeping tabs on Lori and Chad.

MOO.

i wonder if owners "furnished it" . Can't imagine Chad and Lori having time and observability to bring in a lot of furniture.

 

[CSIDreamer]

i wonder if owners "furnished it" . Can't imagine Chad and Lori having time and observability to bring in a lot of furniture.

If I remember , they had some furniture delivered. Don't quote me on that. Jmo

ETA from the timeline:

Mid-Dec 2019 (Approx.) – Lori & Chad are reported to be in Kauai, Hawaii staying at a rented home in a gated community in Princeville. Neighbor and area real estate agent, SL, met them when they moved into the unfurnished 3BR/3BA townhome which had been vacant for quite a while and was listed for $719K. SL says they signed a lease with the listing agent to stay long-term and brought their own furniture. Lori and Chad were mostly guarded and did not share anything with SL about their personal life and why they were in Kauai. Then they sort of disappeared. “I don’t think I ever saw them at the pool or anything like that. (The house) seemed vacant most of the time. I didn’t see lights on or anything like that,” SL says. “I hardly ever saw them at all, and I never saw them with anybody else, so I don’t know if they were living there or not.” (EastIdahoNews, Fox10 Phoenix).

 

[tresir2012]

So there are in fact two Jeeps? The gray Wrangler went to Alex, and the green Cherokee was driven by Tylee?

I think my head is starting to hurt.

That is my guess but MOO.
Based on Alex possibly being identified by BB as driving that jeep.

One thing I have wondered is why did they all move to Rexburg? Any reasons for that? Because apart from MB, none of them remained there. If we could find that out, we may find the kids IMO.

 

[Gardener1850]

Do you think they are going out without being seen or possibly having someone bring them supplies?

Is the tap water safe to drink where they are? They’ll still need fresh goods and CDs lost weight so I can’t see them living off takeaways. MOO

ETA Just checked and the tap water is of good quality.

Probably both going out sometimes and getting deliveries. There could be people who have seen them coming and going but don't want to talk to the news. If I lived there I wouldn't want to be on the news in a case like this. Due to multiple unexplained deaths and disappearances in this case, I would worry about making an enemy of the POIs that are still living free in Kauai. I think reporters are mostly going to get "anonymous" sources or they are going to have people who say mundane things like the man who was interviewed-- he said he waved at them and didn't really know who they were: Neighbors in Hawaii weigh in on Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell
The prospective landlady who they initially tried to rent from was pretty brave to speak out and share Chad's text messages to her: Chad Daybell claimed his late first wife helped him find new love with 'cult' mom Lori Vallow | Daily Mail Online
She was clear that she found the whole thing suspicious and didn't want anything to do with them. But I think she may be the exception as far as people living there who are willing to speak on camera. And many people could have seen them out and about and probably won't know about this case or realize who they are, so we wouldn't know if they have left to get groceries or go to a restaurant for dinner unless a reporter happens to catch them. MOO.

 

[tresir2012]

I can’t see a cease and desist stopping LE, I don’t know about it stopping MSM but a lot of the news channels (the big ones) will have a lot more money to fight that in court anyway. I hope they have a copy of it, I’d like to see it released. It could really help understand what’s going on. JMO

Could someone who does Twitter send a tweet to Nate to ask if he can get a copy of that September podcast from LE or other sources so we can all have a listen?

 

[IronOrchid]

Could someone who does Twitter send a tweet to Nate to ask if he can get a copy of that September podcast from LE or other sources so we can all have a listen?

Done and done. Anything se you'd like me to say?

 

[IronOrchid]

Also, who is Nate, what is his Twitter, and why am I tweeting him

 

[tresir2012]

Couple of random questions:

I looked back at the timeline but didn’t see when approximately joint visions if Tammy dying started?

Also how does someone go about trying to get another person to get verified? I realize everyone in the business of YouTube exclusives is probably in competition but there is one recent in particular that would be interesting to discuss other than GH. Or MSM to do a follow up? Even if that ment the Dailymail.

Message a mod with the link to the youtube you want to discuss and ask permission. Might be good to explain why you want to discuss it. Or send a link to MSM.

There are several MSM articles about the visions and this is one of them.

Chad Daybell had a “vision” his wife Tammy would die, friend says

"Daybell and Rowe often talked about a vision they both had years ago where angels told them Tammy would die.

“He was emotionally distraught, he was crying and he said that his angels had told him that he was going to lose Tammy,” said Rowe.

After her ex-communication from the Church, Rowe said they distanced themselves from each other.

Three weeks before Tammy’s death, Rowe and Daybell called each other.

“And I asked him, do you still see Tammy dying? And he said yes I do,” said Rowe.

Tammy was in charge of the finances and covers for Daybell’s books. Rowe said Daybell wanted to get out of the business, but Tammy wanted to keep going.

“He said I’m ready to get out now and Tammy doesn’t want to get out. When she passes, I’m done, I can’t keep doing this,” said Rowe.

Now, Rowe hasn’t heard from Daybell and any of his children—she has not reached out to Daybell himself, but his daughter has not responded to her texts."

3 weeks before Tammy's death would be September 28th so that would have been the last time he had these visions. They first met in 2014 so the initial visions they both had could have been as long ago as that.

 

[tresir2012]

Also, who is Nate, what is his Twitter, and why am I tweeting him

Nate is the East Idaho News reporter who is giving us exclusives and did the famous interview of the pair. Lori and Chad did a podcast in September and noone has heard it because the media company pulled it. If you Google him, (Nate Eaton) you will get his Twitter or you can get it from the media thread linked in post 1 of the thread.
Here I found it. Here's a link to his Twitter.

Nate Eaton (@NateNewsNow) on Twitter

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I have been reading for a while, but just joined. I am trying to understand rules, so so hopeful nothing is out of bounds here--- but this post hinted at some of my lurking questions "outside" the main characters, so definitely wanted to respond. I STILL hope some information arises around LV's sister, Melani's mother, who died young. And JR, 3rd husband of LV who died young. But I had researched LV's sister a little bit, and found that both she and Melani lived in Washington State. So did this Alyssa Romine in the above referred article. She had just returned to Gilbert to her family from Washington State where I believe her husband had lived. Not sure if there are cross referenced cities yet....but it is still curious. But YES, this Alyssa Romine was very strong evangelizing Mormon, as indicated in her posted obituary.

Many people keep saying this is "bigger" than what we are seeing. And I know in my brain, perhaps these geography connections are just too much "conspiracy" stuff. ;HOWEVER-- Alyssa Romine Olson, the other mysterious death in the Gilbert pond, and her husband lived in Chahalis WA. Melani Cope Beaudreau and her mother Stacey Cope both lived in 3 towns (found so far) ALL 3--- less than one hour away from Chahalis. The brother of the husband, Braden Tate Olson, went to highschool in St. Anthony's ID--17 minutes from Rexburg ID, and BYU- These are big states...so these distances are freaky to me.

I am trying to research these locations---- I wish some Mormons on this site have more knowledge/ research of temples, or possible cultish groups that may be offshoots of the LDS Church, in these areas of WA, ID, and AZ.

 

[sgjsnow]

I find it rather amazing his first words were a complete sentence. Think what you (everyone reading) want, I'm saying it didn't happen that way. Jmo

And being autistic his “first words” could have come later in life than what we typically think of first words that a child says.

 

[Gardener1850]

That is my guess but MOO.
Based on Alex possibly being identified by BB as driving that jeep.

One thing I have wondered is why did they all move to Rexburg? Any reasons for that? Because apart from MB, none of them remained there. If we could find that out, we may find the kids IMO.

Chad seems to be the draw for Lori to go to Rexburg. All the others moving there only make sense if this was a cult or some group with Lori and/or Chad as the main dictators on who needed to move where and who needed to ditch their unbelieving spouses and remarry. Perhaps the original plan was to set up their cult headquarters in Rexburg, hence the 3 townhouse rentals? But I'm really and truly struggling with believing the cult angle here. Alex doesn't strike me as particularly religious from anything we have heard about him. And a cult situation doesn't square with Lori and Chad's reaction to being confronted at the welfare check. They abruptly packed up and moved to HI, leaving their "followers" behind to deal with any fallout. I think for Lori and Chad this has very little to do with religious beliefs or wanting to lead a cult and has more to do with money/power/sex. They are living out their fantasies and everyone else involved was collateral damage to them. The religion is only a tool they used to get what they wanted. When that stops working for them they will stop using it.

MOO.

 

[OGDiva]

The VI introduced himself as Chad's nephew, but I guess he could have been Tammy's nephew. No, he did not explain. My guess would be that due to their loyalty to Chad, Chad's children would probably resent other relatives for speaking to the police, which they themselves refused to do. Maybe some of Tammy's relatives even dared to question the initial cause of Tammy's death.

I believe Maxxer500 VI(hope I got that right? He is Tammy's nephew. He is from the Douglas side.

 

[OGDiva]

The VI introduced himself as Chad's nephew, but I guess he could have been Tammy's nephew. No, he did not explain. My guess would be that due to their loyalty to Chad, Chad's children would probably resent other relatives for speaking to the police, which they themselves refused to do. Maybe some of Tammy's relatives even dared to question the initial cause of Tammy's death.

I believe Maxxer500 VI(hope I got that right? He is Tammy's nephew. He is from the Douglas side.

I know this isn’t pertinent to anything but I can’t stop wondering. Are funeral potatoes reserved just for mourning or do people eat them all the time?

Hahah- many people eat them every Sunday for their family dinners.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I have been reading for a while, but just joined. I am trying to understand rules, so so hopeful nothing is out of bounds here--- but this post hinted at some of my lurking questions "outside" the main characters, so definitely wanted to respond. I STILL hope some information arises around LV's sister, Melani's mother, who died young. And JR, 3rd husband of LV who died young. But I had researched LV's sister a little bit, and found that both she and Melani lived in Washington State. So did this Alyssa Romine in the above referred article. She had just returned to Gilbert to her family from Washington State where I believe her husband had lived. Not sure if there are cross referenced cities yet....but it is still curious. But YES, this Alyssa Romine was very strong evangelizing Mormon, as indicated in her posted obituary.

Many people keep saying this is "bigger" than what we are seeing. And I know in my brain, perhaps these geography connections are just too much "conspiracy" stuff. ;HOWEVER-- Alyssa Romine Olson, the other mysterious death in the Gilbert pond, and her husband lived in Chahalis WA. Melani Cope Beaudreau and her mother Stacey Cope both lived in 3 towns (found so far) ALL 3--- less than one hour away from Chahalis. The brother of the husband, Braden Tate Olson, went to highschool in St. Anthony's ID--17 minutes from Rexburg ID, and BYU-ID right in REXBURG. These are big states...so these distances are freaky to me.

I am trying to research these locations---- I wish some Mormons on this site have more knowledge/ research of temples, or possible cultish groups that may be offshoots of the LDS Church, in these areas of WA, ID, and AZ.
(Still learning... I had posted this in the wrong place earlier..meant to attach to this message....is IAS what we say????

 

[Minty Fresh]

Nothing like a recipe with two sticks of butter, a pound of cheese, and 16 oz of sour cream, cream cheese, with Cream of Chicken soup, heavy cream, with a few potatoes, topped with crushed corn flakes, mixed with a stick of melted butter.


My arteries hardened just reading that.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

So if you take the VIN that @Jethro4WS found and go to Carvana. Carvana: Sell Your Car or Trade-in

You can then go to sell a vehicle and enter the VIN you get a 2018 Jeep Wrangler. It gives options for which package, which I don’t know. But does confirm it all matches.

ETA: sorry forgot to quote his post.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I have been reading for a while, but just joined. I am trying to understand rules, so so hopeful nothing is out of bounds here--- but this post hinted at some of my lurking questions "outside" the main characters, so definitely wanted to respond. I STILL hope some information arises around LV's sister, Melani's mother, who died young. And JR, 3rd husband of LV who died young. But I had researched LV's sister a little bit, and found that both she and Melani lived in Washington State. So did this Alyssa Romine in the above referred article. She had just returned to Gilbert to her family from Washington State where I believe her husband had lived. Not sure if there are cross referenced cities yet....but it is still curious. But YES, this Alyssa Romine was very strong evangelizing Mormon, as indicated in her posted obituary.

Many people keep saying this is "bigger" than what we are seeing. And I know in my brain, perhaps these geography connections are just too much "conspiracy" stuff. ;HOWEVER-- Alyssa Romine Olson, the other mysterious death in the Gilbert pond, and her husband lived in Chahalis WA. Melani Cope Beaudreau and her mother Stacey Cox Cope (Lori Vallow's sister) both lived in 3 towns (so far) ALL 3--- less than one hour away from Chahalis. The brother of the husband of Alyssa, Braden Tate Olson, went to highschool in St. Anthony's ID--17 minutes from Rexburg ID, and BYU-ID in REXBURG. These are big states...so these distances are freaky to me.

I am trying to research these locations---- I wish some Mormons on this site have more knowledge/ research of temples, or possible cultish groups that may be offshoots of the LDS Church, in these areas of WA, ID, and AZ.
(Still learning... I had posted this in the wrong place earlier..meant to attach to this message....is IAS what we say????

 

[Ohmeohmy]

I need some timeline and sleuthing help. Have we discussed the video below yet?

At about 1:28 in the video the reporter says that the PI saw Alex helping Melani load up a U-haul in Gilbert, AZ at the "end of October" but the video goes on to say "2 days later" Brandon was shot at. Well that doesn't make any sense, since Brandon was shot at on Oct 2. Do we think the end of Oct date is correct and "two days later" part is an error? Or did they mean End of September and misspoke when they said Oct?

Also, here are some photos from the PI in that story that I had not seen posted here:
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The video goes on to show a picture of a Jeep with a Texas license plate as the reporter talks about the drive-by attempt on BB.
I'm trying to figure out if this picture is of the actual Jeep or if it's a stock photo:

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I'm confused on the Jeep:
1. It doesn't look green.
2. It doesn't look like a Cherokee to me.
3. It shows a clear license plate number which almost seems too clear for a CCTV image.

Anyone know if there is there a way to check this plate number to see if it's registered to Charles Vallow? TIA.

MOO.

I wonder also who else has a Private Investigator out there ...What is so odd is all these events happen in full view . Nobody is really sneaking around. I drove past this area yesterday and thought how unless you knew your neighbors so much would go unnoticed. In the summer when you come home you go right into you garage and put the door down just like you would in a snow storm in Idaho. MOO

 

[Cornloaf]

Many people keep saying this is "bigger" than what we are seeing. And I know in my brain, perhaps these geography connections are just too much "conspiracy" stuff. ;HOWEVER-- Alyssa Romine Olson, the other mysterious death in the Gilbert pond, and her husband lived in Chahalis WA. Melani Cope Beaudreau and her mother Stacey Cope both lived in 3 towns (found so far) ALL 3--- less than one hour away from Chahalis. The brother of the husband, Braden Tate Olson, went to highschool in St. Anthony's ID--17 minutes from Rexburg ID. These are big states...so these distances are freaky to me.

I am trying to research these locations---- I wish some Mormons on this site have more knowledge/ research of temples, or possible cultish groups that may be offshoots of the LDS Church, in these areas of WA, ID, and AZ.

The town is Chehalis. I drove through there in the mid 90s with one of my clients. We had work a few hours away so he wanted to take a bypass through there to see his old home and hangouts. He was not Mormon, but raised as a strict Christian. He was one of those that pushed his beliefs on to others and almost acted like he needed to impose god's will on you. I won't go into details of the work, but I would have to spend 4 weeks in CA Central Valley and another 4 weeks in Eastern WA with him every summer. He got sick and we helped find him an assistant. He was a young man that just got back from an English teaching assignment in Japan. He was your regular 27 year old American guy wanting to settle down, socialize, have a beer, meet a partner. Within 6 months, he wore the same shoes and pants as his new boss, spoke the same way, etc. He became totally brainwashed. One year I had a three day weekend for July 4th. He released me from having to be on call and said to enjoy the weekend. My fiance flew up to meet me and we went on hikes, shopping, etc. On my first day of work he told me I was not needed anymore and I should probably pack up and get ready to leave for the season. It took pleading from my boss to get him to reconsider. I know the story doesn't add much to this topic, but he was from Chehalis and he sure brainwashed a pretty normal guy pretty quick.