ID - Kenneth and Kenna Guardipee, Devin and Aiken Smith, all fatally shot by neighbor, Kellogg, June 2023

[North_Idaho_Nony]

His exposing himself to minors while performing a sexual act is criminal behavior, not just merely "inappropriate".

Though the victim did not deserve to be executed, the criminal nature of his stated conduct should not be diminished either.

That's the allegation; MOO, the murder victims may well have had a very different interpretation of the alleged incident. I'm not going to treat that allegation as fact unless & until it's verified, MOO, and I feel like it's victim-unfriendly to present the allegation as some kind of gospel truth when it's just not.

ETA: RBBM

 

[Cryptic]

That's the allegation; MOO,

I agree- thats why I described the incident as "stated" conduct.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

His exposing himself to minors while performing a sexual act is criminal behavior, not just merely "inappropriate".

Though the victim did not deserve to be executed, the criminal nature of his stated conduct should not be diminished either.

I think there are a lot of assumptions being made in this thread.

"According to the affidavit, authorities responded to and investigated a June 13 call about the alleged obscene behavior in Kellogg, roughly 37 miles east of Coeur d’Alene. The affidavit doesn't say whether the neighbor, whose family lived on the first floor of a two-unit building, faced criminal charges over the alleged conduct."

Idaho man accused of killing 4 ‘lost it’ after neighbor allegedly exposed himself to family

Majorjon Kaylor, 31, said he “snapped” and “lost it” before Kenneth Guardipee, 65, Kenna Guardipee, 41, Devin Smith, 18, and Aiken Smith, 16, were killed in Kellogg.

www.nbcnews.com

The victim was reportedly in his own home. I don't think we can say he was guilty of criminal behavior without knowing if the suspect's family was peeking through the window, if there were curtains on the window, if the victim was intentionally exposing himself, or if he was a teenage boy engaging in activity that many teen boys do without even noticing people could see him.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Kaylor made sure Devin will never have that opportunity.

I wonder why Kaylor has "Savage" tattooed on his face. What exactly led to that life decision?

I'm curious about his knuckle tattoos as well -- I've not been able to make out what they say from the public pictures. Heck, I couldn't make out what his face tattoo said until Spokesman Review reporter Emma Epperly reported it.

It looks like he got the Savage tattoo back in 1/2020.

From court records, we know MK didn't have a clean record,

<modsnip - sleuthing a person not named POI by LE>

 

[Cryptic]

I think there are a lot of assumptions being made in this thread. The victim was reportedly in his own home. I don't think we can say he was guilty of criminal behavior without knowing if the suspect's family was peeking through the window, if there were curtains on the window, if the victim was intentionally exposing himself, or if he was a teenage boy engaging in activity that many teen boys do without even noticing people could see him.

I never described him as being "guilty".

I did, however, point out that his stated (key word) behavior was criminal and not just "inappropriate". Evidently the Police also felt that the stated conduct was criminal as they had passed the case to the DA.

 

[worm]

I think the kid could have been doing that on his porch or in the street and tho vulgar and disrespectful, in no way justifies the result. I’m sure some will see it as the shooter protecting his children and I understand but we have to be sensible when we are in control of a deadly weapon.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I never described him as being "guilty".

I did, however, point out that his stated (key word) behavior was criminal and not just "inappropriate". Evidently the Police also felt that the stated conduct was criminal as they had passed the case to the DA.

I don't know, given that he has been murdered and isn't here to tell his side of the story and charges were not yet filed and he was not arrested, AND based on what we know, he was in his own home at the time this alleged incident occurred, it rubs me the wrong way that words like<modsnip - referenced posts were snipped> criminality are being thrown around. He's a murder victim who may have been completely innocent of what the media is implying and even if he isn't, <modsnip - referenced posts were snipped>

MOO.

 

[Cryptic]

I don't know, given that he has been murdered and isn't here to tell his side of the story and charges were not yet filed and he was not arrested, AND based on what we know, he was in his own home at the time this alleged incident occurred, it rubs me the wrong way that words like <modsnip - referenced posts were snipped> criminality are being thrown around.
MOO.

I can agree with you to a large degree.

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Sadly, the murder victim reminds me of a family I knew. Two children were "salt of the earth" and high achievers- as were their parents. The third did not strike me as being inherently dangerous- but did similar sexual stunts (among other things) largely for shock value and negative attention.

I do, however, disagree regarding the possible criminality of the murder victim.

The police had probably cause and referred it to the DA for a reason. I (male) was victimized by a similar stunt when I was young- Young adult male, said to be "troubled", masturbating in public bathroom with stall door open, turned to face me when I came in.

Though I am not "scarred for life", some of the proposed "maybes" have the wrong tone for me. When applied to my case, they could be: Maybe he forgot to close stall door? Maybe he was confused about which way the toilet was? Maybe I was peeping into his stall?.....

 

[Vern]

His exposing himself to minors while performing a sexual act is criminal behavior, not just merely "inappropriate".

Though the victim did not deserve to be executed, the criminal nature of his stated conduct should not be diminished either.

Not diminishing, but it was linked earlier that he was in his bedroom in his residence masturbating and the kids were outside playing. No idea if the kids actually saw him through the window or not, but obviously a parent did at the minimum.

It could be 'inappropriate' in that he was masturbating and had just neglected to close his curtains. He was "in front of the window in view of mom and the kids", but we don't know if he was facing them or back to him or if he was watching the kids while he did this or what; it totally may have have been 'inadvertant' (IE: A 'misdemeanour' charge which is what the police recommended to the DA) for even the adult to see him. I suspect that may have something to do with why the kids parents were upset that "he might get away with this" and thus the father anihilating an entire family - inclusive of an innocent child by determining himself that the Police-recommended misdemeanour was actully death-penalty worthy for the entire family.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I can agree with you to a large degree.

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Sadly, the murder victim reminds me of a family I knew. Two children were "salt of the earth" and high achievers- as were their parents. The third did not strike me as being inherently dangerous- but did similar sexual stunts (among other things) largely for shock value and negative attention.

I do, however, disagree regarding the possible criminality of the murder victim.

The police had probably cause and referred it to the DA for a reason. I (male) was victimized by a similar stunt when I was young- Young adult male, said to be "troubled", masturbating in public bathroom with stall door open, turned to face me when I came in.

Though I am not "scarred for life", some of the proposed "maybes" have the wrong tone for me. When applied to my case, they could be: Maybe he forgot to close stall door? Maybe he was confused about which way the toilet was? Maybe I was peeping into his stall?.....

Sorry, I may have missed an article or misread it. The police had probable cause for what? IMO, your situation is entirely different, IMO, and I'm sorry that happened to you. The victim in this case isn't here to tell his side of the story. I think that just because police turned it over to the DA doesn't mean there was probable cause to actually prosecute him. That's a determination made by the DA and that hadn't been done yet, as far as I know.

MOO

 

[Cryptic]

Sorry, I may have missed an article or misread it. The police had probable cause for what?

I think the below summarizes it well:

- The police concluded that there was sufficient evidence to charge the victim with indecent exposure.
- The prosecutor's office agreed and was going to file charges.

As both the prosecutor and police agreed that criminal charges were warranted, I am thinking that they had analyzed and discounted a good number of "maybe" and "aw shucks- he did not know" type possibilities.

I do agree with you that nothing in the pending criminal charges and other available information suggests that he was inherently dangerous or a severe criminal. Rather, he was likely pursuing shock value and negative attention.

The police department recommended that Smith be charged with indecent exposure, a misdemeanor, Twidt said, and the prosecutor's office told the officer the charge would be filed.

 

[Vern]

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I do agree with you that nothing in the pending criminal charges and other available information suggests that he was inherently dangerous or a severe criminal. Rather, he was likely pursuing shock value and negative attention.

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RBBM,

From which statement are you determining this? There has been zero statements to date that he purposefully committed this act for others to see (to pursue "shock value and/or negative attention"). He was in his bedroom ... at least Mom saw and that is ALL we know thus far. Did she witness it through a crack in his curtains or what? You don't know and neither do I.

We also know that mom& dad were afraid (their story) that he was "going to get away with it" combined with the police only recommending misdemeanour charges.

IMO, had he purposefully masturbated in full view and awareness that kids could see him/were watching him/were the cause of him masturbatig etc - he'd have been arrested on the spot. He wasn't. Even the police have stated that they were shocked the initial incident escalated.

I hope he rots; he anihilated an entire family.

 

[Knox]

Wow, I'm shocked at how this situation escalated. There is zero justification in taking out an entire family, he wasn't protecting his family in their own home against an armed intruder.

If this situation is justified, we're all in danger - just saying!!

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

I do agree with you that nothing in the pending criminal charges and other available information suggests that he was inherently dangerous or a severe criminal. Rather, he was likely pursuing shock value and negative attention.

RSBM

We really just don’t know from the publicly available info what the murder victim’s intent was, assuming the allegation was remotely accurate, MOO. And we’ll never know because the targeted murder victim & his entire family have been forever silenced.

I personally think it’s likely he was just being a kid. I don’t know of anything reported that would indicate anything more than that, MOO.

MOO, it’s presumptuous & feels victim-unfriendly to assume any outcome, particularly a guilty one, from any future potential legal proceedings pertaining to allegations made by the murderer’s wife. No charges had been filed against the targeted victim.

It has puzzled me from the beginning why the murderer’s wife assumed the alleged target of whatever happened on 6/13 was her 11-year-old daughter rather than herself since she was right there as well? Based on MSM reporting, there were exactly zero previous allegations about any age-inappropriate behavior pertaining to prepubescent children by the murder victim, so her allegation was just that: an allegation.

True North Idaho story: when our daughter was 11, we briefly had rotten neighbors who repeatedly had non-vanilla loud sexual behaviors on their deck 15-20 feet from our dd’s bedroom window (not much further from our bedroom window) at all hours. In the summer when normal people have windows open for cooling.

They absolutely did not take our concerns seriously because the behavior continued (no reports that was the case in this mass murder). They didn’t respond favorably to repeated friendly visits from the local PD.

You know what else didn’t happen? We didn’t assume they were targeting our dd even though her bedroom window was right there. We didn’t repeatedly & unceasingly harass them in person & online to make their lives a living heck because they didn’t take our concerns seriously.

We didn’t use any of our firearms to resolve the situation. That is not how things are to be handled in civil society.

We let the process run its course & we took common sense steps on our end to educate & shield our daughter from the (extremely offensive) behavior.

Flash forward: those then 19-year-old college students renting next door are still around town. They grew up to be great people. They were young & stupid. They learned from the experience.

MOO, we’ll never know what the future might have held for the targeted murder victim because some hot head with a gun decided to be the judge, jury, & executioner of three entire generations of a family.

All of the above is MOO & YMMV. Such a horrific tragedy for the small town where the victims were valued.

 

[cattlekate]

Do we know if Majorjon Kaylor was drinking/drugging after he came home Fathers Day Jun 18? Was a tox done on him and wife Kaylie?

Was he a remote worker who listened for days to his wife’s lamentations, texts, FB posts, FB doxxing (inclusive of the cartoon of shooting a predator in the head)?

I find it incredible that Majorjon Kaylor strapped on a .45 and he and wife Kaylie thought they could solve something by knocking on the basement neighbor’s door all strapped.

This seems so premeditated so why wasn’t Kaylie arrested? Any FOIA’s on why the DA is letting Kaylie Kaylor off?

 

[MrsWatson]

Do we know if Majorjon Kaylor was drinking/drugging after he came home Fathers Day Jun 18? Was a tox done on him and wife Kaylie?

Was he a remote worker who listened for days to his wife’s lamentations, texts, FB posts, FB doxxing (inclusive of the cartoon of shooting a predator in the head)?

I find it incredible that Majorjon Kaylor strapped on a .45 and he and wife Kaylie thought they could solve something by knocking on the basement neighbor’s door all strapped.

This seems so premeditated so why wasn’t Kaylie arrested? Any FOIA’s on why the DA is letting Kaylie Kaylor off?

Not yet, but is early days.

I also wonder, with Kaylor being a miner, if he was out of the house for days at a time and was told a lot of things by his wife. Instigating, possibly. Escalating a situation.

Also of note. The killer has not one, but two sites looking for funds. Easy google search.

Three generations of family, murdered.

MOO

 

[Cryptic]

From which statement are you determining this? There has been zero statements to date that he purposefully committed this act for others to see (to pursue "shock value and/or negative attention").

I am taking it from this one here:

The police department recommended that Smith be charged with indecent exposure, a misdemeanor, Twidt said, and the prosecutor's office told the officer the charge would be filed.

Thinking the police and the prosecutor had credible evidence that supported criminal charges. In short, they likely discounted the possibility that the witness had say, peeped through the curtains.

In short, being in a bedroom does not always mean "private" any more than say, being in a bathroom stall always means "cant be seen".

 

[Cryptic]

I personally think it’s likely he was just being a kid.

It has puzzled me from the beginning why the murderer’s wife assumed the alleged target of whatever happened on 6/13 was her 11-year-old daughter rather than herself

True North Idaho story: when our daughter was 11, we briefly had rotten neighbors who repeatedly had non-vanilla loud sexual behaviors on their deck 15-20 feet from our dd’s bedroom window

We didn’t use any of our firearms to resolve the situation. They grew up to be great people.

I agree fundamentally with with all your core points.

There is no evidence that the murder victim was predatory. The stated criminal conduct could well of been targetting the adult, probably for shock value. He might not of seen the child, or maybe was not mature enough to realize the potential for escalation.

In either case, no society can tolerate extra judicial executions. In the end, the police and prosecutor had concluded that he likely committed a midemeanor criminal offense.

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[Stunned]

My feelings are, in this case, we’ll never know what happened. The young man was tried, convicted and his family executed by this man. Absolutely horrific!

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

I agree fundamentally with with all your core points.

There is no evidence that the murder victim was predatory. The stated criminal conduct could well of been targetting the adult, probably for shock value. He might not of seen the child, or maybe was not mature enough to realize the potential for escalation.

In either case, no society can tolerate extra judicial executions. In the end, the police and prosecutor had concluded that he likely committed a midemeanor criminal offense.

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Until/until more records are made public, we have absolutely no idea of any intention of the targeted murder victim.

FWIW, public urination in Idaho is cited as indecent exposure, IIRC. Again, we only have one biased side of the story because neither the targeted victim nor any of his family are alive to defend themselves against any allegation.

I think it’s also fair to point out that we don’t know what (if any) contact any of the murder victims made with LE about the ongoing harassment they had been subjected to since 6/13, MOO. As long as we’re speculating, I think it likely the victim family had contacted LE for help, MOO.

For those unfamiliar with the publicly posted horrific meme referenced on Page 3 of the PCA, this article gives a good explanation of the murder behind the meme, MOO:
Gary Plauché - Wikipedia

MOO, it’s beyond offensive to equate in any way a single alleged (intentional or unintentional) indecent exposure incident with the actual 2 week kidnapping & repeated rape of a child.

I cannot imagine what it was like to live essentially in a fishbowl right below anyone with that kind of mindset, for lack of a better term, who had zero qualms about publicly targeting my child for extrajudicial execution. Just unfathomable terror, MOO, that was fatally acted upon 2 evenings later.

For those unaware, Idaho doesn’t have a “not guilty by reason of insanity” defense, although any “mental defect” issues can be introduced as mitigating factors during the sentencing phase. MOO.

My fervent hope is that justice will be served for the victim family and their many loved ones, MOO.

Tragically, I’ve not yet seen any obituaries for the victims; I imagine it’s very difficult burden for their surviving loved ones to do justice for three generations