GUILTY ID - Robert Manwill, 8, Boise, 24 July 2009 - #5

[boiseblue]

As much as public records are useful, many of them are not accurate. I know this because a close friend was convicted over 25 years ago for a felony, and the Idaho public records show he has TWO convictions. He doesn't. He has one.
Although he's tried a number of times to correct this with proof, the same false conviction keeps showing up on Idaho records even though the actual conviction was from another state. It all comes down to the data entry clerks' competency.
The records are useful, yes, but there's mistakes and human error, so I take them with a grain of salt unless I see the actual court file to confirm anything as fact.

 

[SailorMoon]

Justice for Robert!! ((too tired to say much more))

 

[mysticrose]

Hello everyone just checking in to see if there was any new news. I am sorry to see all is quite right now. I'm sure the police are waiting for results to get back on evidence so they can make an arrest...I hope.

 

[grandmaj]

Well another day has passed and no news. Maybe waiting for an indictment? Or waiting 30 days if he has in fact been admitted to a hospital.... or waiting for the results of testing? Any or a combination of them I guess, but it makes me feel anxious. I want Robert to have justice for what happened to him.

 

[LadyBugSTL]

The waiting is always the hardest part. First we must wait for the search, for the body to be found (if we're lucky), then the official test results, then the arrest, then all the defense delaying tactics, all the legal motions and, finally, the trial and the verdict. Even after all that, the child will still be gone.

My sympathy goes out to all the families and loved ones of the victims, who have to live through the terrible wait also. May they find some kind of strength to get them through.

{{{{{{ Thank You Paintr }}}}}}...... I soooo needed this!!!!!!

I cannot access WS from work - and so come rushing in the door after work........ trampling every poor soul (and occasional stray cat or other critter) who's unlucky enough to be in my way .....relentless in my haste to get to my laptop......and see if there's been news about Robert (or Lindsey, or Nevaeh).....and am devastated when there's been none yet................

And I see your post.....and you are so very very right... it's not all about "me". What about those families, who wait every second of every day, whose hearts stop with every ring of the phone or knock on the door? Those families, who from now until forever will be listening for a voice that will never again speak. They cannot move "forward" until justice is served, justice cannot be served until they nab the perp........this has to be agony for them.

Many prayers of strength, faith and healing to those families!!!!!

I feel so terrible for feeling so devastated at no news! (did that make sense? )

Thank you again, Paintr, for setting this LadyBug Straight! :blowkiss:

 

[boiseblue]

This waiting time reminds me of afternoons in my gram's house. While we napped or rested our eyes, gram was in the kitchen humming softly while she kneaded bread, stirred the pots. Soft, calm kitchen sounds and all the while every move she made was efficient, expert and resolved no different than the detectives putting together their evidence and reports to create an air tight case.

 

[grandmaj]

You are so right Boiseblue..... it is so difficult. Poor Nevaeh no arrests and we thought we knew where that was going.... sigh.... We must be patient for Robert agreed. The dynamics of this case as compared to the information overload on Caylee is so different. Thanks for the wise reminder.

 

[Shutterfly]

This just gets more and more odd the more I dig....what I'm looking for, I have no clue...BUT, here's a WTH moment as SeriouslySearching would say...
I'm still digging in the Idaho Repository. Look up RA, the father of MJ's daughter. He's not RA. He's RRS. He changed his last name in 2007. He's got priors involving MJ for custody and support and it lists him as RA(aka RRS)?!? Got to be the same guy. And if the info on this site is reliable at all, he was born in '59. Why does a fifty year old man change his last name?
Any way you look at it, who is this guy?

 

[JoniP2211]

This just gets more and more odd the more I dig....what I'm looking for, I have no clue...BUT, here's a WTH moment as SeriouslySearching would say...
I'm still digging in the Idaho Repository. Look up RA, the father of MJ's daughter. He's not RA. He's RRS. He changed his last name in 2007. He's got priors involving MJ for custody and support and it lists him as RA(aka RRS)?!? Got to be the same guy. And if the info on this site is reliable at all, he was born in '59. Why does a fifty year old man change his last name?
Any way you look at it, who is this guy?

Yeah, we haven't even looked at that relationship/child background. A fifty year old man raising a 2 1/2 year old daughter? I bet that's what he had in mind for his middle age years. Yes, and why would he change his name? What is he hiding from? From all the information we've garnered about MJ, her family and thier ongoing saga, leaving a trail of lawlessness, abused (and now murdered) children, ex-cons, God only knows. I have confidence that someone will be able to dredge through all the data online and will surely find the answer to what's in his closet........you couldn't make this stuff up.

Justice for Robert - the sooner the better.

 

[doobiedoo52]

This just gets more and more odd the more I dig....what I'm looking for, I have no clue...BUT, here's a WTH moment as SeriouslySearching would say...
I'm still digging in the Idaho Repository. Look up RA, the father of MJ's daughter. He's not RA. He's RRS. He changed his last name in 2007. He's got priors involving MJ for custody and support and it lists him as RA(aka RRS)?!? Got to be the same guy. And if the info on this site is reliable at all, he was born in '59. Why does a fifty year old man change his last name?
Any way you look at it, who is this guy?

Makes you wonder if this is the guy that MJ's mom lined her up with (according to the comments on the Statesman site---one of her mom's high school friends!) Just a thought.

 

[Paintr]

{{{{{{ Thank You Paintr }}}}}}...... I soooo needed this!!!!!!

I cannot access WS from work - and so come rushing in the door after work........ trampling every poor soul (and occasional stray cat or other critter) who's unlucky enough to be in my way .....relentless in my haste to get to my laptop......and see if there's been news about Robert (or Lindsey, or Nevaeh).....and am devastated when there's been none yet................

And I see your post.....and you are so very very right... it's not all about "me". What about those families, who wait every second of every day, whose hearts stop with every ring of the phone or knock on the door? Those families, who from now until forever will be listening for a voice that will never again speak. They cannot move "forward" until justice is served, justice cannot be served until they nab the perp........this has to be agony for them.

Many prayers of strength, faith and healing to those families!!!!!

I feel so terrible for feeling so devastated at no news! (did that make sense? )

Thank you again, Paintr, for setting this LadyBug Straight! :blowkiss:

Hi Ladybug! I was really trying to remind myself that I should have a little patience. LOL! Obviously, patience is not one of my virtues. sigh.

 

[SailorMoon]

Numbers on this thread just dwindle. Guess I'm the only one refreshing and refreshing. Here's hoping that we have an arrest today. Justice for Robert!!!

 

[Spyglass]

This just gets more and more odd the more I dig....what I'm looking for, I have no clue...BUT, here's a WTH moment as SeriouslySearching would say...
I'm still digging in the Idaho Repository. Look up RA, the father of MJ's daughter. He's not RA. He's RRS. He changed his last name in 2007. He's got priors involving MJ for custody and support and it lists him as RA(aka RRS)?!? Got to be the same guy. And if the info on this site is reliable at all, he was born in '59. Why does a fifty year old man change his last name?
Any way you look at it, who is this guy?

The same thing happened in the Billings case. Gonzalez had changed his name, but it didn't take long for our sleuths to dig up his old convictions under the old name.

Seems this is too easy for perps. Change your name and POOF, you have a clean slate. Wouldn't this render searches performed by potential employers (for school bus drivers, nannies, and on and on) useless unless fingerprints were obtained? I never thought about how easily one can hide a bad past.

 

[Paintr]

Numbers on this thread just dwindle. Guess I'm the only one refreshing and refreshing. Here's hoping that we have an arrest today. Justice for Robert!!!

You are not alone, SailorMoon. I check on Robert's case everytime I can get near the computer. I have faith that LE is working to bring forward a solid case against the guilty and that Robert will have justice in the end.

 

[miimaa]

Numbers on this thread just dwindle. Guess I'm the only one refreshing and refreshing. Here's hoping that we have an arrest today. Justice for Robert!!!

I check several cites many times a day hoping for new information or an arrest. I fell in love with Robert's sweet face the first time I saw his pic. My own grandson is 8yo and I love him more than anything. If something like this happened to him I'd go insane.

 

[Angel Who Cares]

I'm with all of you....checking about every hr to see if there is an update or an arrest in the case! :banghead:

I keep checking every media link each time with hopes for "Justice for Robert!" :crossfingers:

:angel:

 

[desert-blue]

I was at the waterpark the other day and there were so many boys that reminded me of Robert - I guess I'm still "looking" for him even though I know he's been found... weird. But seeing the boys playing and splashing in the waterpark and having fun made me sad for Robert and just sick about someone hurting him - and who could take a little boy's body and move it around and tie weights to it and whatever else they did? It's just so sick. I too keep checking the news and checking in here to see if anything new has been released, etc. Waiting is indeed the hardest part.

 

[kyles_nana]

I was at the waterpark the other day and there were so many boys that reminded me of Robert - I guess I'm still "looking" for him even though I know he's been found... weird. But seeing the boys playing and splashing in the waterpark and having fun made me sad for Robert and just sick about someone hurting him - and who could take a little boy's body and move it around and tie weights to it and whatever else they did? It's just so sick. I too keep checking the news and checking in here to see if anything new has been released, etc. Waiting is indeed the hardest part.

I am running out of patience I think I am afraid this is going to turn out like the Nevaeh case with no arrest(s) still. it's almost overwhelming just thinking what these babies went through, and having to wait on the wheels of Justice. Makes me :furious:

 

[boiseblue]

Posting here is giving all of us an outlet to release our disappointment and rage feelings for crimes against children.
Researching the familys' past also helps us feel like we are doing something, anything to purge the rage and turn it into something comforting. Those involved in Robert's murder, or close to those who are, haven't even felt a pinch of the public's outrage and reckoning yet.
When the truth comes out, and it always does, we can only hope the remaining children in those families won't turn out as horrid as MJ, DE, David E, Trish, Wallis, et al et ux et vir!
I looked at the father, DE Sr.'s records and those of his brother and have to wonder how in the world did DE's sons stand a chance to be good, caring contributors to society? It's like this is a generational cycle of crimes and child neglect.
And MJ's relationship records is like a series of marriages or live in lovers. She's had 3 kids by 3 different men, in 8 or 9 years. What does she do? Meet the guy, get pg, get married, get divorced, meanwhile pg with another's baby? She's like a magnet for loser guys.

 

[Idaho-native]

The more I hear the more I am certain without any doubts they have known all along DE did this. Melissa didnt get home until 20 minutes after my brother that night. Everyone kept trying to get DE to call the police and it was HIM that refused to do so. Melissa assumed the police had been called and as soon as she was told the police weren't called she called 911.

From what I have heard is DE father has even told people to call 911 if they see DE. That goes hand in hand with the looks I was reading in his eyes the other day at the funeral. I cant even explain the way he was looking over at the family. His facial expressions were as if he was saying he was so sorry his son did this to Robert and his family. It pained him that this happened to Robert, but he had double the pain knowing his own son did it.

I don't think Melissa knew for fact that DE did it, but I am sure she knew in her gut he did.


Someone mentioned that if Melissa gets the baby back she will have to struggle with the reminder every day. She will be reminded constantly that it was his father that killed her other son.

It seems like a lot of the key players here have double stabs. I mean this is CM second child killed, Melissa will have the pain of her son being gone, knowing that her boyfriend did it and seeing that killer in her baby every time she looks at him. Then of course DE senior has the double pains as well. Oh and lets not forget KM. He has lost two brothers to murder and probably raised without a mother. Things are just terrible for everyone.