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Donjeta said:
What are you thinking Ranch? What was on the phones that motivated taking Lisa? The perp would be someone close or belonging to the family, presumably, to care about what's on the phones?
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Maybe there were text messages on DB's phone that would anger a person when read. Or photos. And yes the person would be someone that DB/JI knows.
 
eileenhawkeye said:
... the intruder could've have made two visits to the house? So they took the phones, found something on them, and then returned to the house to take Lisa?
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totally unrealistic isn't it? someone entered the house twice and took something both times and no one heard a thing? no one woke up? no evidence was left behind? no neighbour saw anything?

not to mention i've never heard of a case where the thief escalates almost immediately from petty theft to kidnapping.

gmab lol
 
redheadedgal said:
totally unrealistic isn't it? someone entered the house twice and took something both times and no one heard a thing? no one woke up? no evidence was left behind? no neighbour saw anything?

not to mention i've never heard of a case where the thief escalates almost immediately from petty theft to kidnapping.

gmab lol
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Totally unrealistic? I think that your being a bit harsh but that's ok, it's just a theory. I think that it's certainly possible for an intruder to enter and leave the house without anyone hearing it or waking up. Do we know that there was no evidence left behind? As far as I know, LE hasn't released any information in regards to evidence. I'm sure if we do an internet search we could find cases of home burglary's that have escalated to more serious crimes. JMO.
 
If there was an unlocked door entering would not make a lot of noise I think and you can walk in there quietly, apparently, if no one woke up when Jeremy came in either.

If there is a problem with the theory it's IMO that DB and/or JI would know what was on those phones and would know who would be mad about that. So in an ideal world they would have a pretty good idea who wanted revenge and be all over the police discussing how to find those people and hopefully their baby, helping the police figure it out. Instead they took off in a huff and wouldn't talk any more.
 
Donjeta said:
If there was an unlocked door entering would not make a lot of noise I think and you can walk in there quietly, apparently, if no one woke up when Jeremy came in either.

If there is a problem with the theory it's IMO that DB and/or JI would know what was on those phones and would know who would be mad about that. So in an ideal world they would have a pretty good idea who wanted revenge and be all over the police discussing how to find those people and hopefully their baby, helping the police figure it out. Instead they took off in a huff and wouldn't talk any more.
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BBM.
Maybe DB and JI did convey their suspicions to the police but there is not enough evidence to make an arrest. JMO.
 
RANCH said:
BBM.
Maybe DB and JI did convey their suspicions to the police but there is not enough evidence to make an arrest. JMO.
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It's possible and Picerno did say that DB gave the police a document containing a hundred handwritten pages of her suspicions IIRC. Their attitude seems rather laid-back about it compared to some other parents who think they know who is getting away with hurting their child and are up in arms about it, begging for information, suing the suspects in civil court, etc. E.g. Desiree Young has never been reticent about that she thinks Terri is getting away with kidnapping Kyron Horman.

I don't think she'd ever been happy with "OK, I told LE my suspicions once and now I don't need to talk to them any more, never mind that the perp is still free."

I suppose it could be difficult to go out and accuse anybody if you'd have to explain the motive by mentioning a secret in those phones that one or both of the parents doesn't want out in the open.
Or LE could have told them not to say anything (but then LE told them they'd like separate interviews and they didn't heed that)
 
RANCH said:
BBM.
Maybe DB and JI did convey their suspicions to the police but there is not enough evidence to make an arrest. JMO.
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How does the "someone stole our debit card" fit into this?
 
If someone close to the family had access to the home in October to steal the phones and then Lisa it is quite possible imo that they could have had access to the home in other months to steal other stuff as well but if you ask me it was a bunch of unrelated nonsense. the connection to a baby name changing site on the internet that JT/JI/DB made was rather fuzzy imo. The site used to look like a name change site but then it didn't, and it became a stationery shop and LE said that someone bought stationery items ... JMO but if someone bought stationery with their card it's very probable that it always was a stationery shop and the baby name change site was just a confused misunderstanding, accidentally or on purpose.
 
RANCH said:
In that case I would have to guess that the card theft is unrelated to Lisa's disappearance.
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I guess my point is that if DB/JI have a suspect in mind. . .because they knew who would be interested in what might be found on the phones. . .then why would they go on national tv with this big new lead that doesn't have anything to do with BL disappearing or their suspect?
 
hambirg said:
I guess my point is that if DB/JI have a suspect in mind. . .because they knew who would be interested in what might be found on the phones. . .then why would they go on national tv with this big new lead that doesn't have anything to do with BL disappearing or their suspect?
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Like Donjeta said. Its "a bunch of unrelated nonsense". Perhaps their grasping at straws with the debit card issue. JMO.
 
iamnotagolem said:
The card was allegedly stolen in November, used in December.
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According to Jeremy, it was used on November 6th, and then they found out about the charges in December.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/47502...baby-lisa-debit-card-fraud-clue/#.T_maz5FlPPQ

Reporter: Uh, Jeremy- you- we just heard in this last report- um, you're talking about your debit card being used about a month right after Lisa disappeared. And, our producers, one of our producers, took a look at this and they looked at the company that was charged- um, um- through your debit card for $69.04 and it leads to a stationary website. Now, why do you make a link between that and this idea where it's a site where you can change your name or your child's name?

JI: Um, I don't know why it takes you there now but, uh, when we first found out about this in December, um- that's where it used to go was the website that uh- where you can change somebody's name online.

Reporter: You saw this yourself?

JI: Yeah. We went through this back in the middle of December whenever we first found out about it, and- uh, we called them and we ended up talking to the office supply store and they obviously had no idea what we were talking about but uh- it all- it used to go to the name changing website and now there's something weird going on there where it doesn't go directly there anymore, um. So, there's some kind of weird internet thing going on.

Reporter: But why do you believe this could be a link- could be a break in the case of your missing girl?

JI: Well, somebody had my information and tried to use it on November 6th, um- and, whoever had it and used it, used it for $69 and it went through and got paid. They received some kind of- some kind of service for the money that was charged on my card. There were also two other charges attempted that day that were not paid.
 
askfornina said:
According to Jeremy, it was used on November 6th, and then they found out about the charges in December.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/47502...baby-lisa-debit-card-fraud-clue/#.T_maz5FlPPQ

Reporter: Uh, Jeremy- you- we just heard in this last report- um, you're talking about your debit card being used about a month right after Lisa disappeared. And, our producers, one of our producers, took a look at this and they looked at the company that was charged- um, um- through your debit card for $69.04 and it leads to a stationary website. Now, why do you make a link between that and this idea where it's a site where you can change your name or your child's name?

JI: Um, I don't know why it takes you there now but, uh, when we first found out about this in December, um- that's where it used to go was the website that uh- where you can change somebody's name online.

Reporter: You saw this yourself?

JI: Yeah. We went through this back in the middle of December whenever we first found out about it, and- uh, we called them and we ended up talking to the office supply store and they obviously had no idea what we were talking about but uh- it all- it used to go to the name changing website and now there's something weird going on there where it doesn't go directly there anymore, um. So, there's some kind of weird internet thing going on.

Reporter: But why do you believe this could be a link- could be a break in the case of your missing girl?

JI: Well, somebody had my information and tried to use it on November 6th, um- and, whoever had it and used it, used it for $69 and it went through and got paid. They received some kind of- some kind of service for the money that was charged on my card. There were also two other charges attempted that day that were not paid.
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Thank you Nina for helping to keep the information posted about this case as accurate as possible. Your organizational skills and memory are much better than mine.
 
askfornina said:
According to Jeremy, it was used on November 6th, and then they found out about the charges in December.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/47502...baby-lisa-debit-card-fraud-clue/#.T_maz5FlPPQ

Reporter: Uh, Jeremy- you- we just heard in this last report- um, you're talking about your debit card being used about a month right after Lisa disappeared. And, our producers, one of our producers, took a look at this and they looked at the company that was charged- um, um- through your debit card for $69.04 and it leads to a stationary website. Now, why do you make a link between that and this idea where it's a site where you can change your name or your child's name?

JI: Um, I don't know why it takes you there now but, uh, when we first found out about this in December, um- that's where it used to go was the website that uh- where you can change somebody's name online.

Reporter: You saw this yourself?

JI: Yeah. We went through this back in the middle of December whenever we first found out about it, and- uh, we called them and we ended up talking to the office supply store and they obviously had no idea what we were talking about but uh- it all- it used to go to the name changing website and now there's something weird going on there where it doesn't go directly there anymore, um. So, there's some kind of weird internet thing going on.

Reporter: But why do you believe this could be a link- could be a break in the case of your missing girl?

JI: Well, somebody had my information and tried to use it on November 6th, um- and, whoever had it and used it, used it for $69 and it went through and got paid. They received some kind of- some kind of service for the money that was charged on my card. There were also two other charges attempted that day that were not paid.
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Thank you, askfornina, for recopying this again.

DH and I have had to close down two credit card accounts because of suspicious, invalid charges. We were alerted by our credit card company. On both occasions the cc company called us (they didn't think the online charge for viewing *advertiser censored* was consistent with our history, lol, nor a small second charge months later for something unrelated).

My point is that the credit card company knows exactly what was charged to the account. The charge is not vague, as implied by these parents, i.e., ". . . some kind of service for the money. . ."

This simply does not compute for me and I call a big, giant bogus on the parents and their team for this one.

ETA: MasterCard even gave us the location, based on the internet usage, of the person who had charged against our card account. There is an audit line and web usage that they can pinpoint. You can be assured that if this was associated with a baby's kidnapping, all the details were investigated so much more so than just the couple random charges that concerned our account!
 
ExpectingUnicorns said:
Thank you, askfornina, for recopying this again.

DH and I have had to close down two credit card accounts because of suspicious, invalid charges. We were alerted by our credit card company. On both occasions the cc company called us (they didn't think the online charge for viewing *advertiser censored* was consistent with our history, lol, nor a small second charge months later for something unrelated).

My point is that the credit card company knows exactly what was charged to the account. The charge is not vague, as implied by these parents, i.e., ". . . some kind of service for the money. . ."

This simply does not compute for me and I call a big, giant bogus on the parents and their team for this one.

ETA: MasterCard even gave us the location, based on the internet usage, of the person who had charged against our card account. There is an audit line and web usage that they can pinpoint. You can be assured that if this was associated with a baby's kidnapping, all the details were investigated so much more so than just the couple random charges that concerned our account!
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Do you think that the debit card theft has anything to do with Lisa's disappearance, or is it just back ground noise?
 
As Nurse says above - this is the thread for "An Intruder Did It," NOT the thread for casting suspicion on the parents. We have plenty of threads for that, so don't bring it here, please.

Thanks,

Salem
 
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