If the plan was to be seen at the school.....

[kgeaux]

I think she would have had to have an accomplice. She leaves, he grabs Kyron in a bathroom, hallway whatever and he could have removed him in a container of some sort, lugage maybe. Think maybe the plan turned around on her and this person has taken off with Kyron.

Don't you think someone dragging luggage out of a school would have been noticed??

True, I would know what part of the program or where I was, but no idea of the exact time.

You might have a much better idea of what time it was if you'd just arrived, were preparing yourself to leave, or if you were in a location (such as a school) where bells rang periodically. Bells are normally programmed to ring at precise times each day.....

My other thought is, what happened to said disguise and containers used to carry out the crime? I don't remember reading anything about any disposal containers (garbage bins) being searched during the searches. Of course, that info could have been kept from the public, I realize.

I'm not saying the above scenario isn't impossible, I just wanted to mention what came to my mind when reading it.

Enjoyed your whole post, but snipped a little just to narrow down which point I am responding to.

We indeed have not read about garbage bins being searched. However, I cannot imagine that they were not. I mean that would be done as a matter of SOP, it's "How to Conduct a Search, Level 101"

 

[evelyn24]

Were there that many people at the school in the little bit of time TH was there with Kyron? People coming and going I'm not sure people would have noticed anything unless it was unusual. My guess is she told him to go stand by her truck then she left. Maybe she left it unlocked for him to get into? Maybe she told him to meet her somewhere around the school were it was more isolated?

Either way Kyron was at school for a very short time, the time frame isn't long, and then he was gone. It just so happens it was in the same time frame that TH was at the school, and then gone.

Talk about luck, bad luck, on TH's part if this is a stranger abduction. And what remarkable ninja like moves from a stranger to get Kyron out of the school when he was with TH, and leave around the same time as Kyron's stepmom without anyone noticing INCLUDING TH who was leaving around the same time.

IDK, I just think if your position is it would have been too hard for TH to leave with Kyron without being seen then you have to think it would at least be twice as hard for a stranger, or someone not usually seen taking Kyron with them out of the school doors.

Yet, we know someone did accomplish this task. Now who would have been able to do this with most ease?

 

[Aedrys]

[QUOTE If I've learned anything from the CA case, it's that these people's thinking is vastly different than our own, and trying to put logic into thinking like that is just going to cause more headaches and frustration.

Yep, this TH is picture of KC fifteen years later.. older, more clever, more dangerous, cunning and less sloppy. She had her alibi (was at the fair with KH), an almost perfect plan (many people although mostly children) saw them together and she dropped him off at school. Her downfall will be her cell phone pings. I guess she forgot to toss it. Her pings will reveal her and her research (attempting to hire a hitman). Other than that, she would have gotten away with whatever it is she did with/to Kyron.[/QUOTE]

That is exactly what I've been thinking. TH and CA seem very similar in a lot of ways. I can see Casey thinking the same thing, how easy would be it to just take the kid from school and then do away with the kid? It's going to be interesting when we eventually hear about TH's childhood, if she was enabled just like Casey, and so on. I really do agree with you. I think this is what Casey would have been if Caylee hadn't entered the picture when she was so young. It's ironic that in both cases, if these women had stayed off the cellphone and internet, they might have gotten away with it (I know we have yet to see it here, but I have the feeling the cellphone and internet, especially the laptop, is going to be her downfall).

 

[Jetaime]

"We talked about maybe going for a special treat and playing the Wii after school".

http://www.kptv.com/news/24151901/detail.html

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IMO: This would be the perfect thing to tell a child to get him to agree to a 'secret' escape from school. I don't believe he left the building with this person- I do believe there was a plan set in place before they arrived at school, and that plan included a designated *meeting spot*.

 

[MagnoliaMom]

ITA - but maybe NOT life insurance - but I know a good, hefty, meaty negligence lawsuit against a public school district could land millions! IMO and all..............

just sayin'......................

This is an interesting theory. Could SM be sure she would get any of that pie though? Seems more likely to me that bio-parents would benefit. While married you don't have to share your pie. A divorce could change things though. Mighty iffy though. He might divorce her before he got pie. Runaway with the pie. Pretty unstable plan for SM.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

This is an interesting theory. Could SM be sure she would get any of that pie though? Seems more likely to me that bio-parents would benefit. While married you don't have to share your pie. A divorce could change things though. Mighty iffy though. He might divorce her before he got pie. Runaway with the pie. Pretty unstable plan for SM.

Yep I agree - I just threw that out there because it could have been something TH thought of just in case something went wrong - KWIM? I don't think this was her motive but it would work as a back-up.

 

[nursebeeme]

But for one fact. No one saw Kyron leave with anyone. Yet we know he had to because he is gone.

jmo but we do not know this.

At the last friday presser at reporter asked if Kyron was seen leaving the school and LE said, "no comment"

It is just my theory/thoughts but I actually think someone saw him leaving with Terri.

JMHOO

eta: why on earth would LE say no comment to that question? he either was or he wasn't... very fishy imhoo

 

[Prancy]

Can someone clear something up for me. I thought I had heard early on that the father was at home that morning with the little girl while TH took Kyron to school. Then today I read on another board that Kaine had said that the last time he saw Kyron was at 7:45 a.m. when he was at the house. He said he fed the cat and then went to work. He then returned home in the afternoon and worked from home the rest of the day before going to the bus stop for Kyron. Which of these is true? Also, if he was at work that morning out of the house, then where was their little girl while TH was at school with Kyron. Thanks.

 

[cindysue]

BBM


Which gives me another wild possibility. TH could be telling part of the truth. She waved to him, but did she wave good bye or wave for him to come to her? She might have checked to see if anyone was around, and when she saw no one was she waved for him to come to her.

What time did they say her cell pinged on the island?? She came early , set up her plan to be seen ..maybe she told him they had to go to the doctors that day and she wanted to play a game with him where they each took different staircases to different exits ..his being the basement exit ,,hers the front door and then he is supposed to wait there for her to wave him to the car, that way she leaves to go go out alone, shortly after she looks around and then motions him to come...She was so early her car might have been in that closest spot that is at the end of the walk out what looks like a lower level back door. She looks around then waves to him to come as was planned.This way she is seen leaving alone but still they leave together..

 

[TigerBalm]

Can someone clear something up for me. I thought I had heard early on that the father was at home that morning with the little girl while TH took Kyron to school. Then today I read on another board that Kaine had said that the last time he saw Kyron was at 7:45 a.m. when he was at the house. He said he fed the cat and then went to work. He then returned home in the afternoon and worked from home the rest of the day before going to the bus stop for Kyron. Which of these is true? Also, if he was at work that morning out of the house, then where was their little girl while TH was at school with Kyron. Thanks.

No information has been released regarding where Kyron's little sister was that morning.

Q: When is the last time Kaine saw Kyron?

A: KAINE – I last saw him at about 7:45 am. He was coming back to the house after feeding our cat (Bootsie) and I was heading out to the car to head into the office. I walked over to him, told him I was extremely proud of him for the effort he put into his red-eyed tree frog project, and for him to have a great and fun day at the science fair. We talked about maybe going for a special treat and playing the Wii after school, and then I said “I love you”. He said “I love you too, Dad”, at which point we hugged, and then he went into the house as I got into the car and left. While I have not seen him since, that moment in time is still etched in my mind as if it just happened and is a constant reminder of the joy of having him as a son.

Q: Was Kaine working from home the day Kyron went missing? If so, when did Terri get home from the school?

A: KAINE – No, I was in the office that day until about 1:45 and arrived back home a little after 2pm. Terri was already in the house, on her laptop, when I arrived. I kissed K*, grabbed some food, and worked from my home office until about 3:30 at which time I put shoes on K* and we started walking down toward the bus stop.

*Removed minor childs name
http://www.kptv.com/news/24151901/detail.html

 

[oceanblueeyes]

jmo but we do not know this.

At the last friday presser at reporter asked if Kyron was seen leaving the school and LE said, "no comment"

It is just my theory/thoughts but I actually think someone saw him leaving with Terri.

JMHOO

eta: why on earth would LE say no comment to that question? he either was or he wasn't... very fishy imhoo

Imo, because whether they are thinking she is guilty of Kyron's disappearance or someone else is they do not want to answer that question affirmatively either way.

I don't think anyone saw Terri and Kyron leaving that day.

LE has said "no comment" on things they have already commented on so I don't put much into the "no comment" on any given day.

IMO

 

[nursebeeme]

Imo, because whether they are thinking she is guilty of Kyron's disappearance or someone else is they do not want to answer that question affirmatively either way.

I don't think anyone saw Terri and Kyron leaving that day.

LE has said "no comment" on things they have already commented on so I don't put much into the "no comment" on any given day.

IMO

however, they have "commented" that he was in fact confirmed to have been seen at the school..

was he seen leaving the school? no comment...

Which means someone COULD have seen him leaving the school.. they will not say yes or no.

we just have to agree to disagree opinion/speculation wise

 

[sneezy]

just a thought...Say SM tells Kyron that there is a "cool electric" science fair project in a room where he'd have to take the stairs to get to it? she then "leaves" and goes down a different stairwell and comes across the lower floor and meets Kyron where the Electric one was "supposed" to be. She knows he's careful about where he goes because of his vision so this would allow her to hurry and intercept him before he got too far.

This would account for Kyron telling his classmate where he was going, SM's "alibi" of leaving would mesh because she'd have been seen walking away from Kryon...(at least initially)

but meanwhile, if you look at the plans of the school there's several entrances/exits from even the lower level.

His coat and backpack were in the room so if someone saw them leave after that point she could claim that they were getting something from the truck, yet in the hustle and bustle of the day, she was able to sneak him out...

 

[AlexisFresca]

just a thought...Say SM tells Kyron that there is a "cool electric" science fair project in a room where he'd have to take the stairs to get to it? she then "leaves" and goes down a different stairwell and comes across the lower floor and meets Kyron where the Electric one was "supposed" to be. She knows he's careful about where he goes because of his vision so this would allow her to hurry and intercept him before he got too far.

This would account for Kyron telling his classmate where he was going, SM's "alibi" of leaving would mesh because she'd have been seen walking away from Kryon...(at least initially)

but meanwhile, if you look at the plans of the school there's several entrances/exits from even the lower level.

His coat and backpack were in the room so if someone saw them leave after that point she could claim that they were getting something from the truck, yet in the hustle and bustle of the day, she was able to sneak him out...

BBM

Looks like I missed something. Is there a link somewhere for the floor plan of the school? Thanks!

 

[cypress]

I agree that it's difficult to fathom how Kyron was taken out of the school without anyone noticing.

There are two problems I have with Terri creating an elaborate plan to have Kyron meet her somewhere -- first, she would, knowing she was going to abduct and murder him, be banking on him not telling anyone where he was going or with whom, and secondly, Desiree and Kaine admitted Kyron had trouble listening/following directions, and Terri would have, without a doubt, known this as well.

The plan to abscond with him from school was risky enough. If Terri is responsible for Kyron's disappearance, I don't think she'd risk being the last person seen with him, when/if obviously she wanted to be seen at the school with him and leaving on her own; if she did this, then taking him to school was obviously her way of establishing an alibi of sorts and so I don't envision her risking her alibi by being openly seen leaving with Kyron, and secondly, if Kyron had some attention difficulties, then it seems unlikely Terri would make Kyron's participation an integral part of her plan.

This is one reason I'm leaning toward either an accomplice or some other totally whacked out way she did this. I'm leaning more and more against the idea of Kyron walking out of the school, and more and more toward him being incapacitated at the school and moved out of the school in some sort of container. It was science fair day, a lot of people would have been carrying things.

 

[gliving]

BBM

Looks like I missed something. Is there a link somewhere for the floor plan of the school? Thanks!

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HTH

 

[mrsjonnob]

Why do so many people here think that Kyron was emotionally neglected? I have seen several posts about how poor Kyron was likely so happy to get some much needed/deserved/wanted attention. Why?

 

[Cher352]

just a thought...Say SM tells Kyron that there is a "cool electric" science fair project in a room where he'd have to take the stairs to get to it? she then "leaves" and goes down a different stairwell and comes across the lower floor and meets Kyron where the Electric one was "supposed" to be. She knows he's careful about where he goes because of his vision so this would allow her to hurry and intercept him before he got too far.

This would account for Kyron telling his classmate where he was going, SM's "alibi" of leaving would mesh because she'd have been seen walking away from Kryon...(at least initially)

but meanwhile, if you look at the plans of the school there's several entrances/exits from even the lower level.

His coat and backpack were in the room so if someone saw them leave after that point she could claim that they were getting something from the truck, yet in the hustle and bustle of the day, she was able to sneak him out...

I am still waiting to hear if there was in fact an "electric project" that day. If there was not it would tell us that someone was setting Kyron up.

I wish someone that attended that SF would at least tell us that much!

 

[mrsjonnob]

Well, with the info we have now, if TH truly did manage to plan to have Kyron meet her at the car or if she removed him from the school in a giant case or duffel after subduing him and nobody saw anything out of the ordinary, she got damn lucky!

Some have made the point that with all the hustle and bustle of the science fair presentations, people would be distracted and not paing attention to people coming and going. That point is well taken. In my experience however, at school functions where there are a lot of parents, I tend to stop and chit chat and notice people more because some parents who I rarely see at school (because they work, have younger kids, etc) are present for the event. I notice more, because I am looking more, if that makes sense.

 

[cj1132]

I'm curious on this. If it was TH's intent to be seen in the school, does she wear something noticeable or does she wear something very bland so she wouldn't be noticed in the parking lot? I'm assuming she would have to have another set of clothes along to change into to do whatever she allegedly did to Kyron and then she'd have to get rid of this set because she couldn't risk having any evidence on them. So would she buy a set of clothes just for this so she could dispose of them and wouldn't have to account for them being missing? Just something I was thinking about.