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The point is that between 6/24 and 8/1 - George actually HAD his old gas cans back from Casey, stated he did NOT use the old cans during that timeframe, but did mow his lawn, stated he didn't buy new cans until after 8/1 when LE took them. Okay, if he didn't use the old cans, hadn't bought the new cans, how did he mow the lawn during that what 5 week period? And, IIRC, he also stated that there was less than an inch of gas in the mower on 6/24.
Please be so kind as to point out the testimony where he said he bought new gas cans after 8/1 and also where he said there less than an inch of gas in the mower. I can only assume that FCA returned the stolen gas cans empty on 6/24. Did anyone ever ask George if he had gotten gas and put it in a different container ?
 
I already have been freaking out at the number of people who think there was not enough evidence to find her guilty. And if I had a dollar for every time someone posted that the prosecutor had to prove guilt, I'd be a rich man.

Don't you think us verdict opposers KNOW THAT ???

My take is that people who agree with the verdict ARE and HAVE BEEN consistently presenting their reasons for why they were not convinced by the evidence presented by the State. It seems to me that those who disagree either may want express their anger at that or resort to insulting the jury, which inevitably means insulting those who agree with that jury. Just my two cents.
 
I can assure you that they don't. I certainly don't. Obviously there was enough evidence presented on that theory because the judge allowed the defense to include that in their closing.
Only partially, the outrageous molestation claims were not allowed. And the drowning theory was only allowed b/c of a couple of pictures of Caylee on the ladder and CA's perjury about leaving the ladder up and calling GA about it. And if the jury even considered drowning w/o a 911 call, lord help us ...
 
I would love to see these similar cases. Waiting 31 days to report your child missing. Which KA never even reported the grandmother did. Being seen with your boyfriend six hours later renting video's and spending the whole day in bed with that same boyfriend. Lying to all her firends about where caylee was.Pings showing KA going to the A's home serval times during that time. Dumping her car next to a dumpster.Lying to police about what happened to the child all the while her daughter was in a trash bags out in the elements decomposing and animals eating at her. The whole time like she had no care in this world.If thats grief then I gather there is alot of killers out there that have done the same thing I guess they were grieving also.

BBM

Other posters posted these similar events happening in their lives to someone they know throughout this thread and the thread that this started from. I know for sure one poster was thedevilsadvocate. There were a couple other posters also.

And, what I said was similar cases, what you are asking for is an exact case and I'm sorry, I don't believe you will find anything quite like this case. We are humans, and by nature we're different.
 
My take is that people who agree with the verdict ARE and HAVE BEEN consistently presenting their reasons for why they were not convinced by the evidence presented by the State. It seems to me that those who disagree either may want express their anger at that or resort to insulting the jury, which inevitably means insulting those who agree with that jury. Just my two cents.
You're entitled to your two cents, but a lot of us who disagree with the verdict have also presented our cases. Let me go back through your posts as I seem to remember some of the same insults.
 
I already have been freaking out at the number of people who think there was not enough evidence to find her guilty. And if I had a dollar for every time someone posted that the prosecutor had to prove guilt, I'd be a rich man.

Don't you think us verdict opposers KNOW THAT ???

Oh, and a simple question for you ... would you let FCA babysit your 2-year-old if you had one ? Please take a minute like DCS did on Joy Behar before responding ...
Wise words sustained. :rocker:
 
I personally haven't seen that here...can you direct me to the thread?

It's in this particular thread, pages back. I'd have to go back and re-read the thread to direct you there, and I just feel that I shouldn't have to.. honestly :)
 
Only partially, the outrageous molestation claims were not allowed.

I wasn't referring to the molestation claims and the jury foreman has said that that particular item didn't factor in on their decision.

And the drowning theory was only allowed b/c of a couple of pictures of Caylee on the ladder and CA's perjury about leaving the ladder up and calling GA about it.

It was more substanial than what you are suggesting here, but enough to raise doubts about whether Caylee's death was murder.

It was referred to by GA through the testimony of Krystal Holloway as "an accident that snowballed out of control."


And if the jury even considered drowning w/o a 911 call, lord help us ...

I think this is one of the issues. <modsnip>?
 
What if ... they would have called 911 like any other normal person would have done ? In your examples above, what explanation would you give for someone not calling 911 and making it look like a murder ?

IMO, there is none unless you're insinuating in your last example that George might have murdered Caylee. And if that's the case, do you really think Princess FCA would sit in jail for 3 years when she could've been out partying ?

I never insinuated GA murdered Caylee. In fact, I have posted here specifically that I don't believe anyone harmed Caylee. I'm sorry that is what you've gotten from my posts, but that is not what I stated at all.
 
In the state of Florida there have been 23 death row exonerations since 1973. That is more exonerations in Florida than in California, Missouri, Mississippi, South Carolina, Indiana, Tennessee, Idaho, Kentucky, Maryland, Nebraska, Nevada, Virginia and Washington combined.

http://www.innocenceproject.org/understand/Unreliable-Limited-Science.php

The Absence of Scientific Standards
Unlike DNA testing, many forensic disciplines &#8211; particularly those that deal with comparing impression marks and objects like hair and fiber &#8211; were developed solely to solve crime. These disciplines have evolved primarily through their use in individual cases. Without the benefit of basic research or adequate financial resources, applied research has also been minimal.

In fact, many forensic testing methods have been applied with little or no scientific validation and with inadequate assessments of their robustness or reliability. Furthermore, they lacked scientifically acceptable standards for quality assurance and quality control before their implementation in cases.

As a result, forensic analysts sometimes testify in cases without a proper scientific basis for their findings. Testimony about more dubious forensic disciplines, such as efforts to match a defendant&#8217;s teeth to marks on a victim or attempts to compare a defendant&#8217;s voice to a voicemail recording, are cloaked in science but lack even the most basic scientific standards. Even within forensic disciplines that are more firmly grounded in science, evidence is often made to sound more precise than it should. For example, analysts will testify that hairs from a crime scene &#8220;match&#8221; or &#8220;are consistent with&#8221; defendants&#8217; hair &#8211; but because scientific research on validity and reliability of hair analysis is lacking, they have no way of knowing how rare these similarities are, so there is no way to know how meaningful this evidence is.


Just trying to make a point that although circumstantial evidence can and is used in many cases, it is obviously not foolproof, and when the circumstantial evidence is as weak (IMO) as it was in this case, I think a verdict of guilt would have resulted in an appeal and acquittal.

There have been 138 death row exonerations since 1973. That means that 1656 jurors unanimously convicted 138 innocent people to be executed. This is just death row exonerations, there have been hundreds of other exonerations where thousands of jurors wrongly convicted the innocent. Had this jury reached a verdict of guilt, I think KC would have joined the hundreds of wrongly convicted.

I think the jury in this case gave the correct verdict, because two of the key pieces of evidence was the air sample and single hair, although they passed the Frye hearing, I still think they lack the scientific standards needed to be used convincingly in a courtroom. JB and his witnesses successfully rebutted this evidence in my opinion.

Regardless of the air sample and hair, there was very convincing evidence besides that there was a body in the trunk. You have to look at all the evidence. It's absurd to say that if you discount the air evidence, that then means there is doubt about the body in the trunk.
 
My take is that people who agree with the verdict ARE and HAVE BEEN consistently presenting their reasons for why they were not convinced by the evidence presented by the State. It seems to me that those who disagree either may want express their anger at that or resort to insulting the jury, which inevitably means insulting those who agree with that jury. Just my two cents.

Those of us who have questioned the jury's decision and hate it--- The vast majority of us have not insulted the jury or wished them ill. I have seen nothing that we have posted that supports your statement that we are just expressing our anger or resorting to insulting the jury. We are not angry, ignorant rabble with proverbial pitchforks in our hands. My (and others WSers') postings that have said we disagree, don't understand, etc. AND have consistently presented our reasons why we were convinced by the evidence by the State. JMO
 
Well, JP obviously did which is the reason the DT couldn't refer to any of their own theories (or speculation) in their closing.

Why do so many say this? HHJP clearly ruled that the DT could use the drowning theory but could not use the molestation.
 
You do know that on June 16, 2008, that GA went to work and it is verified by work records, right? The only one with Caylee was CASEY

You do know that GA works a 3-11 shift, and general stays home in the morning/afternoon hours before work... spending time with Caylee per his own testimony.
 
...again we (figuratively) go back to what's reasonable...and IMPO...discounting or twisting the evidence to fit an unreasonable scenario...isn't what the jury is supposed to do. I am not sure how much analysis of evidence could have been accomplished in such a short period of time.

I'm sorry, but I don't feel they had to twist too much in order to find her not guilty. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that point.
 
HUH? How do you prove a negative?

have you seen anything that proved George molested Casey?

It is a FACT that there wasn't one shred of evidence that Casey was ever molested by George. As a matter of fact, it was stated that the only time casey ever mentioned molestation it was pertaining to Lee. The defense did exactly what the poster stated, put George on trial with unfounded and unproven accustations to deflect from casey and the jury bought it all, hook, line and sinker.

JMHO

molestation is pretty darn hard to prove EVER! The perp doesn't usually get on the stand and say Why yes, I did. and, Victims rarely tell.

As far as the drowning theory, the pictures helped to infer it could have happened.

All my own opinion.
 
IMO, the verdict the jury handed down WAS an insult. What about Caylee?.........remember her? If one has to be concerned as to whether their comments will insult the jury, so be it. It's how that individual feels about their verdict and the reasons why. No one is attacking individual jurors, so what's the concern?
 
Sorry, there have been many convictions w/o knowing the when, where, or how ... I like to use Scott Petersen, but look up the case of missing girl Carrie Culberson and the convicted murderer Vincent Doan.

yep but there was alot of evidence in that case. Witnesses from his own family testified he showed up at their house covered in blood and stuff. This happened right up the road from me. Sad Case.
 
As far as the drowning theory, the pictures helped to infer it could have happened.
OK, then someone explain to me that if Caylee drowned in the swimming pool and either GA/FCA/both were home at the time, why 911 was not called ? Theories are fine - go ahead and give it your best shot.
 
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