If you agree or disagree with the verdict, let us know why

[RR0004]

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<modsnip> that if you agree with the verdict then you must not understand reasonable doubt, circumstantial evidence and the like. I am an attorney myself. I fully understand the standard of reasonable doubt, the weight of CE and of an OS. And I submit that in light of this unanimous verdict by her peers, that it is <modsnip>, those who disagree with the verdict that do not understand these concepts and standards.

As for GA testimony, I do not recall that it was ever impeached by the defense. But that is never the end of the story. A jury is never required to believe the testimony of any witness, whether it is impeached or not. And apparently this jury did not like GA, so they chose to give little or no weight to his testimony that Casey was the last to see Caylee. Not to say that he was lying about this, just that the jurors did not find him trustworthy in general. A criminal case is far more complicated <modsnip>.

BBM- not sure if this has been mentioned because I'm just now reading this thread from the beginning, but I see that you are fairly new to posting so you may not know...Tricia requests verification if you are posting as an attorney.
Mods...if I have that wrong...can you add necessary info? TIA

 

[beccalecca1]

I'm sorry, you don't believe anyone harmed Caylee? She was found decomposed in a swamp. Is that not indicative of harm?

As a matter of fact, it is not indicative of harm. It's indicative of a body dump, but not harm.

 

[NotRocketSighence]

OK, then someone explain to me that if Caylee drowned in the swimming pool and either GA/FCA/both were home at the time, why 911 was not called ? Theories are fine - go ahead and give it your best shot.

If you have done something to your child in the preceding days weeks months that you know is wrong or harmful ie using a drug to medicate the child to sleep, then separate to that your child meets with a genuine accident like drowning in the pool and is very clearly dead, an immature 22 year old might not rush to call 911 for fear of the previous abuse being uncovered and you going to jail for 5-10-20 years. I think it's forseeable she could of panicked and handled it the way she handled everything else in her life. She lied and fabricated elaborate detailed stories and covered up the truth. Casey didn't begin lying that day, she had a history. The imaginary nanny kidnapped Caylee.

Accidents don't only happen to good people in normal families only. Accidents can and do happen in families riddled in crime or dysfunction or with lots of skeletons in the closet. Authorities and the media will drag all of your dirty laundry out as evidence of a crime.

Weren't the McCanns swingers? Haileigh's family neck deep in drugs and crime. I think Zarahs family had dark secrets too. People lump the dysfunctional into the crime as proof when it may MAY exist completely separately.

 

[Sustained]

yep but there was alot of evidence in that case. Witnesses from his own family testified he showed up at their house covered in blood and stuff. This happened right up the road from me. Sad Case.

Sorry, don't remember his family saying anything like that ... please send me a reference to that information ... or was it trial testimony ?

 

[RR0004]

BBM

Respectfully disagree. I'm pretty sure I came across statements that Casey wasn't much of a party girl prior to this. Casey didn't drink that often, etc. I believe her behavior did change in that aspect afterwards.

Her behavior...if you were to ask Cindy...probably changed with RM. The lying was something that went on for years based on what others said.

 

[pcrum12]

Who saw George with Caylee?

George! He said he was there the morning of the 16th until going to work.

 

[beccalecca1]

Im curious on what so called lies of GA that were introduced as evidence? The only lies were entered into evidence that Im aware of was from KA and they were caught on tape.

Forgive me, GA's testimony is considered evidence and there were lies pointed out during it. In particular, the whole Calendar debacle between him and JB. There was lies in that testimony alone.

Although, he did frequently state how he lost his granddaughter and wasn't paying attention to the specifics, etc. (he sure paid attention to some specifics though...)

 

[Thinker Belle]

Wanted to share this letter: Ernest_Steffens

Casey Anthony jurors did not understand what their duty was

A primary faculty the Casey Anthony jurors left at the foot of the courthouse steps was common sense.

Comments after the verdict by jurors suggest they had no conception what their duty was. They claimed the prosecution had not shown exactly how Caylee Anthony died, where she died, or when she died. That was not their moral responsibility. Their sole determination was whether Casey Anthony had killed her daughter.

Often defendants are convicted of murder when a body is never found. In such cases no one knows how they died. The state medical examiner in the Anthony case testified that the presence of duct tape around Caylee's nose and mouth and the fact that she was discarded in plastic bags clearly indicated she had been murdered. She ruled the death "undetermined homicide." Yet the jurors disregarded that and insisted on speculating that Caylee could have drowned, as the defense posited.

Drowning in swimming pools "is a major way that a lot of children die down here in Florida," the jury foreman told Greta Van Susteren on Fox News, as if that were relevant.

As for who did it, Casey Anthony's failure to report the death of her daughter for 31 days, her lying to investigators trying to find her, and her obvious jubilation after Caylee's death are as compelling as any DNA evidence.

The fact that multiple witnesses, including Casey's mother, smelled what they described as a decomposed body in the trunk of Casey's car was crucial evidence. Besides Casey's computer showed searches for information on chloroform. An expert testified that "shockingly high" levels of chloroform were found in a sample of carpet from the trunk of her car. It's apparent the jury rejected the prosecution's damning evidence and as a result justice was denied little Caylee.

May she rest in peace.

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2011/jul/20/letter-casey-anthony-jurors-did-not-understand/

 

[pcrum12]

I guess just as odd as not remembering the date your daughter drowned. She was busy, totally understandable.

Heck, none of them did lol.

 

[beccalecca1]

Her behavior...if you were to ask Cindy...probably changed with RM. The lying was something that went on for years based on what others said.

Wasn't Casey a 22 yr old? I don't think her behavior is only related to her relationship with RM. I do believe she was behaving like a typical 22 yr old.

 

[Baznme]

George! He said he was there the morning of the 16th until going to work.

That's correct. He was home until it was time to go to work. He also said, KC and Caylee left the house around noon. KC never disputed that. KC said she took Caylee to Sawgrass Apts., remember? Why would KC say that if she didn't have something to hide? She was also back at the house after GA went to work, then it was off to Blockbuster for videos with Tony.

 

[RR0004]

IMO, I don't think any person would tell their roommates that they're not allowed to live the lives they want to live because their roommate says so. I think the "not allowing Caylee to sleep over" bit wasn't because that's not what he wanted. It was because his roommates have rights to their share of the apartment, so instead of arguing over who's going to do what and when, it was just easier to not have Caylee at the place overnight exposed to the drug use, etc. Tony didn't use drugs. He testified to feeling like he loved Casey. I'm sure that if the relationship progressed and his lease was up, it would've logical that him, Casey, and Caylee would live together. It was just the situation at the time. I don't think this is nearly enough motive to murder your child. A relationship that was a couple of months old? It just seems too far fetched for me, especially given that Tony appeared to be truly interested in the relationship with both Casey and Caylee.

Is that why he "teased" Casey about staying in New York? Casey had all kinds of ideas about making this relationship permanent (while keeping other guys hanging on, mind you)...can't see Tony sticking around in Florida when his roots were elsewhere.
JMO

 

[annalia]

With all due respect, I completely disagree. The pictures were introduced as evidence. The testimony of CA was introduced as evidence. The statements of GA's lies were introduced into evidence.

The only things I stated that were not evidence is Tracy's interviews and the home video. But, everything else was evidence and entered into the trial.

That's not evidence of drowning, they were simply pictures with a theory added to it. It would be like saying there's evidence of electrocution because there were electrical outlets in the home. being in a backyard isn't evidence of drowning.

Maybe evidence of drowning might be if they found caylee's shoes floating in the pool.

What you post about george is a biased "opinion" and look at everything he does with suspect, however it isn't proof or evidence of his involvement since there is more than one likely and plausible explanation for why anyone would have the same emotions as he did. No real eveidence has been shown to him being involved, a lot of imaginary possibilities. These lies that you keep referring to don't even come close to the lies that casey has told yet they are ignored. So much real evidence has to be ignored to make George the villain.
JMHO

 

[cuppy199]

Forgive me, GA's testimony is considered evidence and there were lies pointed out during it. In particular, the whole Calendar debacle between him and JB. There was lies in that testimony alone.

Although, he did frequently state how he lost his granddaughter and wasn't paying attention to the specifics, etc. (he sure paid attention to some specifics though...)

Yes GA testimony may be consider evidence but it was never proven that GA lied about anything. Oh and I was wrong there were two who were proven to be liers. KA which was on tape and CA about the computer searches when in fact she was at work and the work records show it. There was no evidence proven about GA only speculation from JB.

 

[RR0004]

I believe between the cross examinations by the defense, and the defense witnesses testimony, that they were successful in raising reasonable doubt to most if not all forensic evidence.

As for the grief, and the loss of a child, my cousin lost her 6 year old daughter to a brain tumor, and could not deal with it. My cousin felt it was all her fault her daughter died. She drank to forget, partied to forget, and then turned to drugs to forget. After nearly two years of this behavior she ended up in jail for a DUI. In jail, she dried out, and sought counseling, and after getting the help she needed now leads a normal productive life. During those two years however, she was not ready to get help, didn't want it, wouldn't accept it, and didn't feel she needed it. This tragedy in our family occurred many years ago, but it shows me that grief can make some of us act in abnormal ways.

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

Numbing yourself to grief is not abnormal. Casey wasn't doing that IMO. She was pretty focused on getting what she wanted...and she wasn't losing herself in drugs and alcohol in the process.

 

[Nova24]

then it was off to Blockbuster for videos with Tony.

With the poor baby in the trunk.

 

[pcrum12]

What about him? He was not the custodial parent, he was not the last person to be seen with Caylee and, unlike KC, he showed up for work that day.

Ok I'll bite. George made a point to testify that it was a normal morning. He normally got up early and when Caylee got up he would give her breakfast, watch tv, etc. Casey would sleep. You can infer that was normal routine. So the question is does that infer that George is the caretaker? His words, "normal morning" "I'd always give her juice, something to eat". Maybe that's what the jury was getting at when they said they didn't know who was the caretaker. Also, how do you know he wasn't the last person to be seen with Caylee? All you have is HIS word. JMO. Have to agree with the work part lol.

 

[beccalecca1]

That's not evidence of drowning, they were simply pictures with a theory added to it. It would be like saying there's evidence of electrocution because there were electrical outlets in the home. being in a backyard isn't evidence of drowning.

Maybe evidence of drowning might be if they found caylee's shoes floating in the pool.

What you post about george is a biased "opinion" and look at everything he does with suspect, however it isn't proof or evidence of his involvement since there is more than one likely and plausible explanation for why anyone would have the same emotions as he did. No real eveidence has been shown to him being involved, a lot of imaginary possibilities. These lies that you keep referring to don't even come close to the lies that casey has told yet they are ignored. So much real evidence has to be ignored to make George the villain.
JMHO

Well, in the same sense then, the state provided no evidence of murder. Maybe they could've proved murder if they found DNA on the duct tape, an actual decomposition stain in the car, chloroform supplies purchased by Casey, etc.

 

[cuppy199]

Ok I'll bite. George made a point to testify that it was a normal morning. He normally got up early and when Caylee got up he would give her breakfast, watch tv, etc. Casey would sleep. You can infer that was normal routine. So the question is does that infer that George is the caretaker? His words, "normal morning" "I'd always give her juice, something to eat". Maybe that's what the jury was getting at when they said they didn't know who was the caretaker. Also, how do you know he wasn't the last person to be seen with Caylee? All you have is HIS word. JMO. Have to agree with the work part lol.

GA wasnt the one out having fun for 31 days and driving around in a car that smelled so bad he had to dump it next to a garbage hamper.

 

[beccalecca1]

Numbing yourself to grief is not abnormal. Casey wasn't doing that IMO. She was pretty focused on getting what she wanted...and she wasn't losing herself in drugs and alcohol in the process.

Thank you for re-posting that. That was one in particular I was referring to