If you look at it logically it's very clear who did it!

[Rain on my Parade]

The Ramseys found a ransom note around 5.30 am in the stairs inside their house......logically after reading the note any normal individual would have looked around the house for the child and also to see if the person who wrote that note is still in the house and/or from where that person may have entered the house to make sure the house is now secure because they have another child in the house with them to protect.

I would have personally searched the house relentlessly from top to bottom looking for my precious child before or while my wife would be calling 911. If they would have done that they would have found Jonbenet in the house right then. The fact that Jonbenet was in the house all this time and they failed to locate her is illogical. They never looked for her because if they would have they would have found her...even if it was a big house SHE WAS IN THE HOUSE!! She could have been easily found....they never looked for her because they knew where she was all along. All this case was about her been kidnapped which was not true to later been found in the house.....

At this point to know exactly what happened and who did it is not as important as to simply figure out if it's an inside job or if it's something done by someone from outside. We all know that if Burke was responsible for what happened to Jonbenet either by accident or done intentionally it was impossible for Burke to write that ransom note by himself he was too young to write that and trying to cover it up by himself unbeknownst to the parents is impossible....the parents would have to be involved in this either way.

On the 911 call Patsy sounded/acted out of breath desperate her daughter was kidnapped but she was surely not out of breath searching desperately for Jonbenet in the house because she would have found her....she was in the house.

I will spare you Ramseys strange behavior following the 911 call and the manner in which John Ramsey found Jonbenet later in the house full of guests up to not wanting to speak with the authorities to interviews on TV....illogical again.

To me 1 minute into this case my logic tells me the Ramseys are the ones responsible for Jonbenet's death.

MartinDupuis,
You have made some great points here. I can’t tell you the number of times I have rehearsed this role as a parent within my own mind. Finding the ransom note would not have deterred me from searching my house from top to bottom. Inside and out. I would have also retrieved my other child to remain in my presence. Maybe the foreign faction was still in my home? It makes sense why BR was hidden in his bedroom until escorted away and PR wrote the note. JR finds JB body; yet FW nor the BPD found her in the home. Directives!

 

[UKGuy]

MartinDupuis,
You have made some great points here. I can’t tell you the number of times I have rehearsed this role as a parent within my own mind. Finding the ransom note would not have deterred me from searching my house from top to bottom. Inside and out. I would have also retrieved my other child to remain in my presence. Maybe the foreign faction was still in my home? It makes sense why BR was hidden in his bedroom until escorted away and PR wrote the note. JR finds JB body; yet FW nor the BPD found her in the home. Directives!

Rain on my Parade,

JR finds JB body; yet FW nor the BPD found her in the home.

Both FW and JR looked into the wine-cellar but only JR saw JonBenet, how come as JR has seriously bad eyesight, at the time of JonBenet's murder, JR hired pilots to fly his private plane as he was BANNED from flying hs own plane due to severely reduced eyesight issues?

So how does JR notice JonBenet where FW fails. Lighting conditions were similar, FW said JR called out before switching the light on.

FW was so intrigued he returned back down to the wine-cellar to investigate just how he could have missed JonBenet earlier that morning.

What does FW think about JR using him to transport BR away from the house only to realize years later that case is likely BDI with the parents staging BR out of the case?

Patsy never bothered searching the house from top to bottom as she already knew where JonBenet had been deposited.

BPD have given the JonBenet homicide Cold Case Status, this can be a neat legal move that allows BPD to say thae case is currently under investigation so no forensic items can be made public, and to offer no comment statements on media speculation.

The known unknown in this case is were JonBenet's sexual assault injuries the result of staging, that of an acute sexual assault or as a result of a morbid postmortem sexual assault?

.

 

[MartinDupuis]

Rain on my Parade,

Both FW and JR looked into the wine-cellar but only JR saw JonBenet, how come as JR has seriously bad eyesight, at the time of JonBenet's murder, JR hired pilots to fly his private plane as he was BANNED from flying hs own plane due to severely reduced eyesight issues?

So how does JR notice JonBenet where FW fails. Lighting conditions were similar, FW said JR called out before switching the light on.

FW was so intrigued he returned back down to the wine-cellar to investigate just how he could have missed JonBenet earlier that morning.

What does FW think about JR using him to transport BR away from the house only to realize years later that case is likely BDI with the parents staging BR out of the case?

Patsy never bothered searching the house from top to bottom as she already knew where JonBenet had been deposited.

BPD have given the JonBenet homicide Cold Case Status, this can be a neat legal move that allows BPD to say thae case is currently under investigation so no forensic items can be made public, and to offer no comment statements on media speculation.

The known unknown in this case is were JonBenet's sexual assault injuries the result of staging, that of an acute sexual assault or as a result of a morbid postmortem sexual assault?

.

Linda arndt interview

 

[CircuitGuy]

logically after reading the note any normal individual would have looked around the house for the child and also to see if the person who wrote that note is still in the house and/or from where that person may have entered the house to make sure the house is now secure because they have another child in the house with them to protect.

It's just absurd. I know what I personally would do doesn't matter, but I think I would go through several stages:

1. Disbelief - The notion of someone coming in an kidnapping your kid without you hearing it seems far-fetched. I would be asking the older kid if he knew anything about it. "This better not be a cruel prank. Tell me where she's hiding, and it's fine, but you'll be in major trouble with us and the police if you don't tell us now."
2. Fear that the bad guy's still nearby. - I would grab a gun, bat, or whatever I had and do a security check of the house. I would tell my wife to get Burke outside at the first sign on intruder, "but I'm sure this is a prank."
3. Get the money - I would take everyone to the bank. If they're not open, I would try to reach someone from a financial institution, maybe even Western Union or sketchy check-cashing place. The idea is in public they're not going to harm us, and if they're watching, they'll see us trying to get the money. I don't think I would return to home without alerting the bank or someone of what's happening. It would not be "hurry, please," but let's just give them the money and fight them only if we think they're going to hurt her or come after other people.
4. Concern that they figured out I talked to someone - I think I would ruminate about whether they realize I told someone at a bank that them money was ransom for a kidnapping or that they misinterpreted some action as me trying to outsmart them.

As I got into Step 3, I think I'd really start getting upset and parnoid.
None of their reaction sounds familiar to me. Everyone reacts different, so who knows. I read they did get the money. I think he had someone else get it. The note says they're monitoring him, and he needs to play it cool with the bank and not tell them about the kidnapping. He should have been beside himself ruminating about the cops, someone else getting the money, the friends, etc all being things they could detect if they just had someone look at the house from a nearby hill or something. I'd be thinking I should have not told anyone at all and just waited for the call. I think the money was 1% to 2% of their net worth. The stock market and the valuation of his privately-held buisiness fluctuate more than that on many days.

It seems like the Ramsey's appear to take the kidnapping story at face value, never wondering if it's a cruel prank or something, never being concerned that the kidnappers could be watching them from nearby.

I'm fascinated by it, though, because PR calling the police and friends and telling them to come, in consistent with the whole nature of the note. And if she knew the body was in the house, she knew the police would find it; none of it makes sense. Maybe they were in a exhausted crazed state and made absurd decisions that by fortune turned out to be just illogical enough to make it impossible to figure out what happened.

 

[UKGuy]

It's just absurd. I know what I personally would do doesn't matter, but I think I would go through several stages:

1. Disbelief - The notion of someone coming in an kidnapping your kid without you hearing it seems far-fetched. I would be asking the older kid if he knew anything about it. "This better not be a cruel prank. Tell me where she's hiding, and it's fine, but you'll be in major trouble with us and the police if you don't tell us now."
2. Fear that the bad guy's still nearby. - I would grab a gun, bat, or whatever I had and do a security check of the house. I would tell my wife to get Burke outside at the first sign on intruder, "but I'm sure this is a prank."
3. Get the money - I would take everyone to the bank. If they're not open, I would try to reach someone from a financial institution, maybe even Western Union or sketchy check-cashing place. The idea is in public they're not going to harm us, and if they're watching, they'll see us trying to get the money. I don't think I would return to home without alerting the bank or someone of what's happening. It would not be "hurry, please," but let's just give them the money and fight them only if we think they're going to hurt her or come after other people.
4. Concern that they figured out I talked to someone - I think I would ruminate about whether they realize I told someone at a bank that them money was ransom for a kidnapping or that they misinterpreted some action as me trying to outsmart them.

As I got into Step 3, I think I'd really start getting upset and parnoid.
None of their reaction sounds familiar to me. Everyone reacts different, so who knows. I read they did get the money. I think he had someone else get it. The note says they're monitoring him, and he needs to play it cool with the bank and not tell them about the kidnapping. He should have been beside himself ruminating about the cops, someone else getting the money, the friends, etc all being things they could detect if they just had someone look at the house from a nearby hill or something. I'd be thinking I should have not told anyone at all and just waited for the call. I think the money was 1% to 2% of their net worth. The stock market and the valuation of his privately-held buisiness fluctuate more than that on many days.

It seems like the Ramsey's appear to take the kidnapping story at face value, never wondering if it's a cruel prank or something, never being concerned that the kidnappers could be watching them from nearby.

I'm fascinated by it, though, because PR calling the police and friends and telling them to come, in consistent with the whole nature of the note. And if she knew the body was in the house, she knew the police would find it; none of it makes sense. Maybe they were in a exhausted crazed state and made absurd decisions that by fortune turned out to be just illogical enough to make it impossible to figure out what happened.

CircuitGuy,

And if she knew the body was in the house, she knew the police would find it

Yet they didn't! JR found the body, what JR never knew was that in the majority of staged homicides its the killer who finds the body.

From the minute PR picked up the phone to dial 911, she knew to pile on the drama. Including phoning selected friends over to join in the Supermarket Sweep her sister Pamela, along with the full co-operation of BPD, undertook removing numerous items from the house which was a crime scene.

PR and JR intended to flee interstate on their private plane, thinking their staging had been successful. This was blocked, so you know the parents intended to abandon JonBenet to her fate.

Its quite likely JonBenet was hidden somewhere else in the basement and later moved to the wine-cellar by JR when he visited the basement mid-morning AFTER Fleet White had looked into the wine-cellar.

The parents staged BR out of the case as much as they could, excepting the pineapple snack, then they called their friends over, before finally casting the dice, dialling 911.

Then there are the Stines. Where do they fit in, paid off with gainful employment by the Ramsey's, whut ... a homicide case and the Stines want a part of it?

The bottom line is that the Stines knew something that put a smoking gun in the parents hands, so the Ramsey's simply made the Stines an offer they could not refuse.

Might be BlueCrab's BDI theory which included the Stines was correct?

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[MartinDupuis]

 

[Rain on my Parade]

Rain on my Parade,

Both FW and JR looked into the wine-cellar but only JR saw JonBenet, how come as JR has seriously bad eyesight, at the time of JonBenet's murder, JR hired pilots to fly his private plane as he was BANNED from flying hs own plane due to severely reduced eyesight issues?

So how does JR notice JonBenet where FW fails. Lighting conditions were similar, FW said JR called out before switching the light on.

FW was so intrigued he returned back down to the wine-cellar to investigate just how he could have missed JonBenet earlier that morning.

What does FW think about JR using him to transport BR away from the house only to realize years later that case is likely BDI with the parents staging BR out of the case?

Patsy never bothered searching the house from top to bottom as she already knew where JonBenet had been deposited.

BPD have given the JonBenet homicide Cold Case Status, this can be a neat legal move that allows BPD to say thae case is currently under investigation so no forensic items can be made public, and to offer no comment statements on media speculation.

The known unknown in this case is were JonBenet's sexual assault injuries the result of staging, that of an acute sexual assault or as a result of a morbid postmortem sexual assault?

.

UKGuy,

All excellent points! This case screams inside involvement; as you have pointed out. LW didn‘t move forward on the true bills because BDI. Seems so unjust! 2 weeks shy of turning prosecutable.

The known unknown in this case is were JonBenet's sexual assault injuries the result of staging, that of an acute sexual assault or as a result of a morbid postmortem sexual assault?

I suspect all 3 = 3 guilty parties left in the house alive on the 26th. The were all involved to some point. I think the 911 call made by PR (with her being so out of breath) was the result of her running around like a chicken with its head cut off; plus the drama of her involvement. A.E. Fiber evidence. BR evidence in the wc, his folks stating he slept through the whole event, and then being whisked away. I don’t think he ever felt any guilt over his actions then or now. And JR being cordial (@ a time like this) and him finding the body.

As to whom was participating in the SA, the only one we have heard from (those close yet outside) is BR. I suspect that grapefruit size ball of fecal matter (found in JB bed) was from BR as well.

 

[Rain on my Parade]

Linda arndt interview

MartinDupuis,

It’s likely that Detective LA saw a father protecting his son, wife and himself. Why would she need all those bullets if he was the guilty one?

 

[UKGuy]

UKGuy,

All excellent points! This case screams inside involvement; as you have pointed out. LW didn‘t move forward on the true bills because BDI. Seems so unjust! 2 weeks shy of turning prosecutable.



I suspect all 3 = 3 guilty parties left in the house alive on the 26th. The were all involved to some point. I think the 911 call made by PR (with her being so out of breath) was the result of her running around like a chicken with its head cut off; plus the drama of her involvement. A.E. Fiber evidence. BR evidence in the wc, his folks stating he slept through the whole event, and then being whisked away. I don’t think he ever felt any guilt over his actions then or now. And JR being cordial (@ a time like this) and him finding the body.

As to whom was participating in the SA, the only one we have heard from (those close yet outside) is BR. I suspect that grapefruit size ball of fecal matter (found in JB bed) was from BR as well.

Rain on my Parade,

The were all involved to some point.

Sure they were. It can be demonstrated all three remaining Ramsey's took part in postmortem staging, e.g. Burke faking being asleep, BR's touch dna present in the wine-cellar. Patsy's fibers embedded into the ligature knotting and the duct tape over JonBenet's mouth, fibers from John's Israeli manufactured shirt found on JonBenet's genital area, you also have BR and JR fabricating alibis for themselves, i.e. JR accompanying BR to bed using the flashlight and BR saying he was present when JR broke the basement window.

Simply put all three Ramsey's are linked to the wine-cellar crime scene by forensic evidence deposited there.

It's entirely possible JonBenet had been secreted away in the crawl space by John and Patsy. Later John later realizes to break the impasse he would have to "find" JonBenet, so he moves her to the wine-cellar using the white blanket as a forensic buffer?

As to whom was participating in the SA, the only one we have heard from (those close yet outside) is BR.

The paintbrush might have been used to stage a SA, hence the blood? This does not discount an acute SA which the former staging was intended to obscure.

Curiously, Coroner Meyer in his remarks refers to Digital Penetration not Paintbrush Penetration, despite him being in full possession of the facts.

Foreign Faction by James Kolar, Excerpt

Following the meeting, Dr. Meyer returned to the morgue with Dr. Andy Sirontak, Chief of Denver Children’s Hospital Child Protection Team, so that a second opinion could be rendered on the injuries observed to the vaginal area of JonBenét. He would observe the same injuries that Dr. Meyer had noted during the autopsy protocol and concurred that a foreign object had been inserted into the opening of JonBenét’s vaginal orifice and was responsible for the acute injury witnessed at the 7:00 o’clock position.

Further inspection revealed that the hymen was shriveled and retracted, a sign that JonBenét had been subjected to some type of sexual contact prior to the date of her death.

Dr. Sirontak could not provide an opinion as to how old those injuries were or how many times JonBenét may have been assaulted and would defer to the expert opinions of other medical examiners.

He would observe the same injuries that Dr. Meyer had noted during the autopsy protocol and concurred that a foreign object had been inserted into the opening of JonBenét’s vaginal orifice and was responsible for the acute injury witnessed at the 7:00 o’clock position.

I reckon the Foreign Object referred to here is the paintbrush handle, which was being used to stage a SA.

Further inspection revealed that the hymen was shriveled and retracted, a sign that JonBenét had been subjected to some type of sexual contact prior to the date of her death.

Which is consistent with the parents staging an SA, and given the circumstances either JR and/or BR being responsible for any sexual contact prior to JonBenet's death?

Assuming one of the parents used the paintbrush to stage an SA, this absolves BR from having to run downstairs, fetch the paintbrush, return back upstairs and use it to sexually assault JonBenet?

Nearly everything down in the basement related to JonBenet's homicide has been staged or fabricated in some manner, which sews confusion and doubt in some folks minds, leading them to assume everything took place down in the basement?

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[MartinDupuis]

MartinDupuis,

It’s likely that Detective LA saw a father protecting his son, wife and himself. Why would she need all those bullets if he was the guilty one?

I think that once she realized that John Ramsey is probably the guilty one she was afraid of him and maybe of all of his friends in the house at that time and how many bullets she would need to get out alive if the situation got out of hand because she was alone as an officer in the house while facing a murderer....honestly only Linda Arndt could really answer your question

 

[Rain on my Parade]

I think that once she realized that John Ramsey is probably the guilty one she was afraid of him and maybe of all of his friends in the house at that time and how many bullets she would need to get out alive if the situation got out of hand because she was alone as an officer in the house while facing a murderer....honestly only Linda Arndt could really answer your question

Martin Dupuis,
Yes, I would agree with you here. My question would also be if she sincerely felt that way then why didn't she have a pair or handcuffs on her? Instead of thinking about all those bullets. Perhaps she was given directives before she arrived at 755 15th street. I can’t help but wonder about this since so much was allowed to take place and no cop found JB. It could be as UKGuy said “her body was located in the crawl space”. I have seen pictures of said crawl space but they are located so high up it would be very difficult to get her body up and down from there. I will look for that. I appreciate your input!

 

[Rain on my Parade]

Okay, I looked for the the video showing the entrance to the crawl space was high up close to the ceiling. Look at these things:

• mark 4:49, 4:50

You can see there is no (walk through door) to the crawl space as indicated but what could be a drop down from the ceiling.

Therefore JR would have possibly needed that bar stool chair to retrieve her body; if it was hidden in there. I do not recall dirt found on her body or the blanket? It is a brazen act for JR to move JB once the police, friends, detectives, advocates etc arrived! Not saying he didn't; just brazen IMO.

 

[MartinDupuis]

Okay, I looked for the the video showing the entrance to the crawl space was high up close to the ceiling. Look at these things:

• mark 4:49, 4:50

You can see there is no (walk through door) to the crawl space as indicated but what could be a drop down from the ceiling.

Therefore JR would have possibly needed that bar stool chair to retrieve her body; if it was hidden in there. I do not recall dirt found on her body or the blanket? It is a brazen act for JR to move JB once the police, friends, detectives, advocates etc arrived! Not saying he didn't; just brazen IMO.

Adrenaline can make you do incredible things but trying to cover-up an accidental murder you are responsible for while you have people in your house must be like Adrenaline x 3

 

[MartinDupuis]

 

[Eddie99]

Linda Arndt is a joke. That isn't to say that whomever was in charge of the scene isn't guilty of being utterly negligent, but she made everything worse.

Imagine being her, at that infamous TV interview, and telling the whole world you knew who the killer was, thinly veiling her contempt for JR the whole time. Then going on to tell everyone that despite her suspicions, she thought it would be a good idea to let them walk around the house, hours after being abandoned by the BPD. Its just preposterous.

Then she has the audacity to say she mentally counted her bullets, because she knew only one of them was going to get out alive. I hasten to add, they did both get out alive. So..... she was dead wrong.

I'll give her some credit, because of the poor leadership. But I'm the end, she was trying to cash in on JBRs death. No one will convince me otherwise.

 

[Rain on my Parade]

Adrenaline can make you do incredible things but trying to cover-up an accidental murder you are responsible for while you have people in your house must be like Adrenaline x 3

MartinDupuis,
Perhaps that is why JR was noted as pumping his legs when he returned after his absence in the home that morning.

 

[profiler60]

MartinDupuis,
Perhaps that is why JR was noted as pumping his legs when he returned after his absence in the home that morning.

Hi. I am new to this site but I will give my opinion. I am a nurse, but I also have a forensic background. In one of my classes. we reviewed the autopsy report for poor Jonbenet. As a forensic psychologist and RN, there are many things that were notable.

I have watched the documentaries on this case and looking for patterns: this is what I surmise:

Patsy Ramsey was a pageant mother. As we know, Jon Benet was a victim of the pageant circuit. Pageant mothers, I believe, live vicariously through their children so losing is not an option. Keep in mind, the Ramseys were also important in the community so appearances were everything. As a young child, Jon Benet was okay with being a pageant doll and going to the pageants with her mom. This made Patsy feel important. The most important thing for these children is to behave. As the Ramsay reputation was being built on this, as Jon Benet got older, she started to tire of the pageant scene. I believe that she was punished by being put into the dark basement to control her natural instincts. I also believe that, as Jon Benet got older, her father began fondling her when she was in the basement. I think he did it to control her more. As time went on, Jon Benet was getting more independent, which Patsy did not like. I think she allowed her husband to punish Jon Benet as he wanted. I believe there were multiple times when he down to the basement and "lightly" strangled her to control her outburts and force her to behave. Make up covers a lot, that is why we never saw any marks on her neck during the pageant.

Let's not forget, she had a brother. Most of the time, his parents were too busy for him. I think, at times he went down to the basement, with his father, and punished her for taking up all his parents' time.

There was a time when Jon Benet told her mother she didn't want to wear the Christmas sweater that her family was wearing for the family portrait, according to the documentary. I believe that she was pushed in the basement. At this point, her brother had enough. I think he was the one who garrotted her. The partial photo we saw in the documentary showed how long it took. Her neck was swollen and bruised and the autopsy report that we had gone over in class verified it. We know manual strangulation is very personal.

I think Mr Ramsey realized what he and his wife had created so that is why he covered it up. I think Patsy was so guilt ridden, that is why she did not pursue aggressive treatment for her breast cancer.

The documentary ended by stating they are doing touch DNA on her clothes. This is still a new procedure and is extremely time consuming but, the results will be indisputable .Touch DNA, as I understand it is scraping fine fibers off of clothes that can't actually be seen by the human eye. I Think they need a special lens to see the stain and then they start scraping. I believe Jon Benet's brother has very limited freedom as they are closing in on him and Mr. Ramsey

thank you for your time. I hope I Was not out of line on my first posting

 

[profiler60]

Linda Arndt is a joke. That isn't to say that whomever was in charge of the scene isn't guilty of being utterly negligent, but she made everything worse.

Imagine being her, at that infamous TV interview, and telling the whole world you knew who the killer was, thinly veiling her contempt for JR the whole time. Then going on to tell everyone that despite her suspicions, she thought it would be a good idea to let them walk around the house, hours after being abandoned by the BPD. Its just preposterous.

Then she has the audacity to say she mentally counted her bullets, because she knew only one of them was going to get out alive. I hasten to add, they did both get out alive. So..... she was dead wrong.

I'll give her some credit, because of the poor leadership. But I'm the end, she was trying to cash in on JBRs death. No one will convince me otherwise.

I Agree. This was a case that we had talked about in one of my forensic classes. Please keep in mind I have a huge respect for police and the work that they do.

I believe that she was one of the few women put in charge of a big case back then. I had heard that on a lot of her cases, she had called for backup mostly because she was scared, not because it was needed. I think this was a case where she had "cried wolf" one too many times, that is why no one responded immediately. It was only after she started calling in more information, that they came. She tried to "keep everyone occupied " by searching for clues ?? Since when do non-police, and FAMILY members do that? When Mr. Ramsey just happened to "Find her in the basement and carried her body up", that is when everything went wrong.

When a police or detective calls for backup, you need to be there. Because of the delay and the fact that the wrong detective was assigned, that is the reasonaon why this case has yet to be solved. The entire crime scene was messed up at that point, and let's not forget, Mr. Ramsay (a lawyer?), was an important person in that town.

 

[Rain on my Parade]

Hi. I am new to this site but I will give my opinion. I am a nurse, but I also have a forensic background. In one of my classes. we reviewed the autopsy report for poor Jonbenet. As a forensic psychologist and RN, there are many things that were notable.

Profiler60,
Welcome to this forum. You stated there were many notable things about this case. So lets be clear. JB started her pageant career because of PR mother NP. Not saying PR didn’t live vicariously through JB once she was able. What was notable to you about the autopsy report? What do you make of the bruise below JB neck strangulation?

The most important thing for these children is to behave.

Yes, PR wanted JB to dress like her. JB rebelled which wasn’t workable in pageants.
PR couldn’t make BR pick up his wood shavings (he left a trail) in the house. JB (it as been noted) that she screamed at people who came to the front door. I wouldn’t call this well behaved.
* I was brought up in strict environment and wasn‘t allowed to speak unless spoken to. If we visited people’s homes; I had to sit on the couch with the grownups until I was told I could go play with my brothers and the other kids. **The also wanted me to become Miss America”.

I think Mr Ramsey realized what he and his wife had created so that is why he covered it up.

IMO they covered it up because of BR involvement. JR could have been SA JB but since we know that BR and JB were caught playing doctor (more than once) and told the onlookers “to go away”. Sure either parent could have been SA both children. I would put money on PR before JR; As a corporal punishment.

The documentary ended by stating they are doing touch DNA on her clothes.

Which documentary are you referring to here please? It is my understanding that with the new technology today they can come up with a photo likeness from dna deposits. Why haven’t they done this? Could it be that they don’t pursue this adventure because they already know BDI? We hear they are testing but how do we know this for sure?

Of coarse you weren’t out of line. We are all entitled to our opinion! Thank you for your input.

 

[Eddie99]

Rain,

May I politely ask what your source is for the statement that alleges that PR made JBR dress like her, and her subsequent rebellion against this?

Lastly, I think its worth noting that if BR had done anything bad, there would be zero, and I mean ZERO criminal liability for him, at that age.

Let's say he did it, and admitted it, he would have likley only been forced into various evaluations and psychological treatment.