GUILTY IL - Antinette 'Toni' Keller, 18, DeKalb, NIU Student, 14 October 2010

[nukeofduke]

When I first learned of the POI my suspicions of another NIU student, particularly a jilted ex, ended. I thought this has to be the work of some random lunatic.

After, thinking about this for the past couple of hours, I am waffling again.

Beyond that, Feithen would not say whether the suspect is male or female, nor would he verify if the person was known to Keller or attended Northern Illinois University. He would not disclose what source of information led them to the suspect.

"We have investigative reasons that we don't want to do that," he said. "We're just being very cautious in this case."[/I] http://bit.ly/cAe3Fd


Clothing would be more suggestive to me of a sexual assault and, if an ex did this, I did not think there was a sexual assault; I envisioned a rage killing.

The only description that I have seen of what was recovered was "recovered items consistent with property belonging to Keller".

This could be items such as the current dorm key. I thought perhaps little things that may have been discarded in a struggle or overlooked with the fire- her lighter, misc art supplies- nothing big and nothing that has been publicly identified as Toni's.

Recently in Chicago, we had two separate cases of women conspiring to mutilate another woman who had taken a BF away from one of them. That certainly cannot be discounted. We hear about the one or two exs...But anything on whether she was dating a brand new person or that person dumped a gf to pursue Toni?

Could acid have been used first then fire? Just free thinking.

Back on Saturday. Keep the great thoughts and questions coming!

 

[Joe Friday]

I was trying to quote post 536 from thread #1, but the thread was closed before I submitted this. If you want to fix it Cubby be my guest.

The latest news makes no sense to me. LE must have their reasons. We'll have to wait and see. I hope they get the right person.

Think back when we were all trying to figure out why LE said they had found remains early in the investigation but never announced that until some time later. Everyone was stumped and racking their brains trying to figure out how this could be. There was a lot of speculation as to why this was, but no one said it could have been because the remains were burned. I personally should have thought of this from another case I'm following but for some reason it never crossed my mind either. Well it turned out that the remains were so badly burned LE didn't even know if they were human remains. LE might not have even looked at the bon fire areas for remains while they were searching in the beginning also. If I was looking for a missing girl in the woods I would be looking for a body in the brush, not ashes and bones in a fire pit.

Now what if someone would have called in a tip reporting a fire in the park or that Annitette might have been burned, before LE announced to the public that the remains were burned. HOW suspicious would that make that person look? It looks like fires are a regular thing at this park so I don't think anyone would think to much about a fire to call that in as a tip to a missing persons investigation before it was announced that she had been burned. That person would look suspicious enough for LE to maybe do some surveillance on them? When the announcement comes out that the remains have been found, what does the tipster do. Jumps in someones car and head south out of town perhaps toward Mexico. What's LE think? Bingo, I think we want to ask that person some more questions.

Maybe the person that called in the tip told LE to look in the area where there was a fire to find the body. A guilty conscience is a powerful thing.

Just speculating and JMO.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Toni Keller case archive is updated, including adding about 40 of nukeofduke's pics of the park and bonfire areas.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Antinette%20Toni%20Keller%20%20-IL-/

 

[Pedrosmom]

I was trying to quote post 536 from thread #1, but the thread was closed before I submitted this. If you want to fix it Cubby be my guest.





Think back when we were all trying to figure out why LE said they had found remains early in the investigation but never announced that until some time later. Everyone was stumped and racking their brains trying to figure out how this could be. There was a lot of speculation as to why this was, but no one said it could have been because the remains were burned. I personally should have thought of this from another case I'm following but for some reason it never crossed my mind either. Well it turned out that the remains were so badly burned LE didn't even know if they were human remains. LE might not have even looked at the bon fire areas for remains while they were searching in the beginning also. If I was looking for a missing girl in the woods I would be looking for a body in the brush, not ashes and bones in a fire pit.

Now what if someone would have called in a tip reporting a fire in the park or that Annitette might have been burned, before LE announced to the public that the remains were burned. HOW suspicious would that make that person look? It looks like fires are a regular thing at this park so I don't think anyone would think to much about a fire to call that in as a tip to a missing persons investigation before it was announced that she had been burned. That person would look suspicious enough for LE to maybe do some surveillance on them? When the announcement comes out that the remains have been found, what does the tipster do. Jumps in someones car and head south out of town perhaps toward Mexico. What's LE think? Bingo, I think we want to ask that person some more questions.

Maybe the person that called in the tip told LE to look in the area where there was a fire to find the body. A guilty conscience is a powerful thing.

Just speculating and JMO.

If indeed a fire was reported at 4PM on the day she went missing, wouldn't it stand to reason that the friend that went searching in PP would have come across the fire, or remains of a fire, likely still smoldering due to the alleged accelerant used? Wouldn't the friend who searched PP have followed his nose, so to speak, to the fire, thinking it was suspicious? Where did this friend go? I remember an interview that was on a local chicago news station of a young man that raised my eyebrows at least. IIRC, it was the same person that went on his own search. In addition, he came back with nothing? Killers often revisit the sight/crime scene. They're also known to grandstand. Get right in the middle of it so as to throw police off. I remember the interview and the goosebumps that went up on my skin when he spoke. If I am wrong, my apologies to this young man. My hinky meter is usually spot on.

 

[Pedrosmom]

ARREST MADE

http://www.ag.gov.au/www/agd/agd.nsf/Page/Families_Children_Internationalchildabduction

A man who notified police of a fire in a DeKalb park where badly burned human remains later were recovered has been arrested in Louisiana in connection with the homicide of Northern Illinois University freshman Antinette "Toni" Keller, the Tribune has learned.

A "person of interest" was being held on charges of obstruction of justice and unlawful possession of a motor vehicle and was awaiting extradition to Illinois, DeKalb police said in a written statement Thursday evening. Police Chief Bill Feithen would give no more details.

 

[Cubby]

There is something very hinky about someone calling to report a fire in a park that routinely has smaller outdoor fires (bon fires, I tend to call them bon fires regardless of size) and then leaving town.

I can't help by say I am dying to know who the POI is, what connection he has to Toni, NIU, Dekalb or the Northern IL area and Louisianna. So many questions, so few answers made public thus far ( and I fully agree with and respect LE's need to keep this close to the vest ).

I have a hard time believing a stranger, if this was a sexual assault, would have gone to the extremes of burning remains. I would think if this was a random attack, the perp would have dumped or buried/attempted to bury her somewhere and not been concerned about whether she was id'd or not. Why did the perp go to the extreme to delay or attempt to make it near impossible to id Toni?

 

[Juno]

ARREST MADE

http://www.ag.gov.au/www/agd/agd.nsf/Page/Families_Children_Internationalchildabduction

A man who notified police of a fire in a DeKalb park where badly burned human remains later were recovered has been arrested in Louisiana in connection with the homicide of Northern Illinois University freshman Antinette "Toni" Keller, the Tribune has learned.

A "person of interest" was being held on charges of obstruction of justice and unlawful possession of a motor vehicle and was awaiting extradition to Illinois, DeKalb police said in a written statement Thursday evening. Police Chief Bill Feithen would give no more details.

HOLY CARP JOE FRIDAY YOU WERE RIGHT!!! You too Pedrosmom!!

 

[watchful_eye]

:dance: Great news!

The link listed is not working though...

Thanks you guys for posting. I do hope Antinette gets justice.

 

[watchful_eye]

ANother link:

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/metro/person-of-interest-questioned-in-keller-case-20101028

 

[TallCoolOne]

ARREST MADE

http://www.ag.gov.au/www/agd/agd.nsf/Page/Families_Children_Internationalchildabduction

A man who notified police of a fire in a DeKalb park where badly burned human remains later were recovered has been arrested in Louisiana in connection with the homicide of Northern Illinois University freshman Antinette "Toni" Keller, the Tribune has learned.

A "person of interest" was being held on charges of obstruction of justice and unlawful possession of a motor vehicle and was awaiting extradition to Illinois, DeKalb police said in a written statement Thursday evening. Police Chief Bill Feithen would give no more details.

Are you certain this link has to do with Antinette's case? It seems more like it has to do with Zahra's case? Or am I missing something?

 

[TallCoolOne]

ANother link:

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/metro/person-of-interest-questioned-in-keller-case-20101028

Well, whoever he is, he's on his way back here today.

I have to believe they have the right person for the simple fact, why else would he have fled the area, in someone else's vehicle no less.

Prayers and strength to Toni's loved ones and friends, unfortunately their journey has just begun.

 

[Dipcheese]

There is something very hinky about someone calling to report a fire in a park that routinely has smaller outdoor fires (bon fires, I tend to call them bon fires regardless of size) and then leaving town.

As far away from the crime scene as they could get, no less.

I can't help by say I am dying to know who the POI is, what connection he has to Toni, NIU, Dekalb or the Northern IL area and Louisianna. So many questions, so few answers made public thus far ( and I fully agree with and respect LE's need to keep this close to the vest ).

They have to play it close. Without an autopsy, the DA is playing catch up. I agree, this raises so many questions. What was this person's relation to Dekalb, NIU, the Park, etc. How did that person get to Louisiana?

I have a hard time believing a stranger, if this was a sexual assault, would have gone to the extremes of burning remains. I would think if this was a random attack, the perp would have dumped or buried/attempted to bury her somewhere and not been concerned about whether she was id'd or not. Why did the perp go to the extreme to delay or attempt to make it near impossible to id Toni?

There are two types of criminals- organized and disorganized. Each leads down different profiles. The ability to start a fire and destroy the main evidence (body) suggests this criminal is organized. However, leaving behind evidence like Antinette's items leads to a more disorganized criminal. Obviously LE has more answers than we do. At least I hope they do.

 

[Cubby]

Are you certain this link has to do with Antinette's case? It seems more like it has to do with Zahra's case? Or am I missing something?

I know this isn't directed at me, but it often happens a WS'r will have a few windows open and happen to copy and paste the wrong media article.... I've done it myself when busy and too many pages open.

 

[Cubby]

Well, whoever he is, he's on his way back here today.

I have to believe they have the right person for the simple fact, why else would he have fled the area, in someone else's vehicle no less.

Prayers and strength to Toni's loved ones and friends, unfortunately their journey has just begun.

BBM. .... and just exactly what did the perp think about running off with someone elses' vehicle? Clearly he (or she) HAD to have known the vehicles owner would have to report it stolen when it was not returned. (This happened to a friend of mines sister ages ago. She spent the night over at a friends while driving her sisters car and the friends brother took off with her sisters car..... It HAD to be reported stolen or the cars owner would have been liable for anything which occured while the non owner had possesion of the vehicle)

"Borrowing" a car leads me to believe the POI may be an NIU student.
I know when I attended NIU I knew one local (non student) through friends and he was kind enough to let me borrow his vehicle to come home for one weekend...

jmo

 

[TallCoolOne]

I know this isn't directed at me, but it often happens a WS'r will have a few windows open and happen to copy and paste the wrong media article.... I've done it myself when busy and too many pages open.

Yeppers, you're spot on. Actually I was hoping they would come back and repost the link they intended on...... very hungry for any new news on this one.

O/T
How's things going for you Cubby? Hope your little fella had a Happy B-day.

 

[Cubby]

As far away from the crime scene as they could get, no less.


They have to play it close. Without an autopsy, the DA is playing catch up. I agree, this raises so many questions. What was this person's relation to Dekalb, NIU, the Park, etc. How did that person get to Louisiana?


There are two types of criminals- organized and disorganized. Each leads down different profiles. The ability to start a fire and destroy the main evidence (body) suggests this criminal is organized. However, leaving behind evidence like Antinette's items leads to a more disorganized criminal. Obviously LE has more answers than we do. At least I hope they do.

I agree. I'd add taking off with someone else's vehicle to the list of a more disorganized criminal. I mean that was a REALLY stupid thing to do UNLESS the owner of the vehicle was a family member and the perp thought their family would not report it stolen or not returned.

jmo

 

[TallCoolOne]

BBM. .... and just exactly what did the perp think about running off with someone elses' vehicle? Clearly he (or she) HAD to have known the vehicles owner would have to report it stolen when it was not returned. (This happened to a friend of mines sister ages ago. She spent the night over at a friends while driving her sisters car and the friends brother took off with her sisters car..... It HAD to be reported stolen or the cars owner would have been liable for anything which occured while the non owner had possesion of the vehicle)

"Borrowing" a car leads me to believe the POI may be an NIU student. I know when I attended NIU I knew one local (non student) through friends and he was kind enough to let me borrow his vehicle to come home for one weekend...

jmo

BBM Agreeing right along with you on this one.

So why in the he!! have they not released the POI's name yet? They have charged him with 2 crimes already and he's being extradited, I'm thinking it's about time to give it up. I wonder if there's any way to search records in Lousiana for the arrest and possibly get a name that way? Wish we knew where in Lousiana........ sorry, getting impatient here.

 

[Cubby]

Yeppers, you're spot on. Actually I was hoping they would come back and repost the link they intended on...... very hungry for any new news on this one.

O/T
How's things going for you Cubby? Hope your little fella had a Happy B-day.

Lol, the link thing happens. OT- but you wouldn't believe how many times I catch myself accidently hitting the edit button when I mean to quote a post. At least I usually catch myself doing that now before I hit update or enter than after.

The little guy is good, he had a good birthday. He ate more shrimp from Red Lobsters endless shrimp than I did! Dunno where he puts it! Thanks for asking.

I wonder if we can find anything on this perp in the DeKalb Cty Court records links if they have a court calendar online? If we can search by date and not name that is...... Hmmmm........

 

[rodie]

There is something very hinky about someone calling to report a fire in a park that routinely has smaller outdoor fires (bon fires, I tend to call them bon fires regardless of size) and then leaving town.

I can't help by say I am dying to know who the POI is, what connection he has to Toni, NIU, Dekalb or the Northern IL area and Louisianna. So many questions, so few answers made public thus far ( and I fully agree with and respect LE's need to keep this close to the vest ).

I have a hard time believing a stranger, if this was a sexual assault, would have gone to the extremes of burning remains. I would think if this was a random attack, the perp would have dumped or buried/attempted to bury her somewhere and not been concerned about whether she was id'd or not. Why did the perp go to the extreme to delay or attempt to make it near impossible to id Toni?

Perp could have been saying, "Look in the woods while I run/drive in the opposite direction" which would make him/her somewhat like an arsonist who wants people to know of their mayhem and they get to "watch" via the news while thousands of miles away.
Ridiculously long shot: What if Toni stumbled upon this lunatic in the woods while he was covering up/burning a crime already committed and he abducted her? The remains have not been identified as Toni and her personal items could have been left behind in a scuffle. The media reported that dogs picked up her scent in the woods but the trail abruptly ended near the street which would seem to indicate the she might have gotten into a vehicle.
http://plainfield.patch.com/article...-kellers-scent-but-it-stopped-at-end-of-woods
And I too am dying to know who IS this POI and what, if any, is his relationship to Toni?

 

[Bratislava]

"Borrowing" a car leads me to believe the POI may be an NIU student.
I know when I attended NIU I knew one local (non student) through friends and he was kind enough to let me borrow his vehicle to come home for one weekend...

jmo

I agree. My sentiments exactly.