IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #2

[Montjoy]

However, in looking at his FB, I wonder if his activity may have cost him the job in Antioch. He was quite outspoken about some of his political views.

rsbm

Agreed. Today was the first day I viewed his FB page, and I came away from it a bit more convinced that suicide was a distinct possibility.

 

[cady]

It appears as though he had his father's funeral at a Catholic church...but I honestly don't see a lot of religious references in his posts, so not sure how practicing he was.

However, in looking at his FB, I wonder if his activity may have cost him the job in Antioch. He was quite outspoken about some of his political views.

JMO Downright scary, to me. JMO....I have not seen FB, but have seen a whole host of photos.

 

[TheDuchess]

Can you elaborate?

Well, he is very vocal about his political views, anti-Obama, anti- BLM, very conservative. Nothing that I haven't seen many of my other conservative friends post, but I've seen many cases in recent years that police have been fired for off color humor, posts, political views, etc... I am not saying I agree with his posts or not, or saying there was anything wrong with his posts. It's just that in the current political climate, I can see the folks in Antioch looking into his social media and think he could be a possible liability. That's all.

 

[Japple]

Slightly confused. Why if this was suicide would the three men be relevant and why he want or not want them to get away?

I am completely confused with what you are saying there.

As for why he radioed in: my theory is he wanted to be found by coworkers and not strangers.

I don't know how in a million years he would thought they would have over reacted with such a manhunt.

what i'm saying is that all he needed to do was make the initial call. and know that they would eventually find him. if an hour went by between his call and them finding his body,it would give more time for his fabricated suspects to leave the area. instead they had only minutes to leave, and did so without a trace, making the storyof the 3 men harder to believe.

i myself do not believe it was a suicide. but Im open minded enough to think about it as a posibility.we'll see as more info comes out in the next week

 

[TheDuchess]

rsbm

Agreed. Today was the first day I viewed his FB page, and I came away from it a bit more convinced that suicide was a distinct possibility.

Interesting, because I get just the opposite feeling from viewing his FB page. I see a happy go lucky guy who loves his family, and seems to really love life itself.

 

[vestigare]

Well, he is very vocal about his political views, anti-Obama, anti- BLM, very conservative. Nothing that I haven't seen many of my other conservative friends post, but I've seen many cases in recent years that police have been fired for off color humor, posts, political views, etc... I am not saying I agree with his posts or not, or saying there was anything wrong with his posts. It's just that in the current political climate, I can see the folks in Antioch looking into his social media and think he could be a possible liability. That's all.

thank you for elaborating. I don't have FB so couldnt look. Kept meaning to ask a friend to screen capture but never got around to it

Yeah, today many employers check out your social media. He wasnt very smart if he was so vocal and his sites weren't private.

Someone earlier said his twiterr was NSFW too.

 

[vestigare]

what i'm saying is that all he needed to do was make the initial call. and know that they would eventually find him. if an hour went by between his call and them finding his body,it would give more time for his fabricated suspects to leave the area. instead they had only minutes to leave, and did so without a trace, making the storyof the 3 men harder to believe.
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i myself do not believe it was a suicide. but Im open minded enough to think about it as a posibility.we'll see as more info comes out in the next week

ETA: I reread your post and had misunderstood it so deleted some of my explanation.

I agree with what Montjoy said as to why he wanted the police there and when.

 

[Keefer]

Not pc equals a higher probability of suicide? Anger issues? Not that pc folks can't have anger issues? Right? Maybe he committed suicide cause he was angry? Who would he be getting back at by committing suicide? Interesting.

 

[vestigare]

Not pc equals a higher probability of suicide? Anger issues? Not that pc folks can't have anger issues? Right? Maybe he committed suicide cause he was angry? Who would he be getting back at by committing suicide? Interesting.

" The rumors have been he committed suicide for various reasons but that he chose to identify a blackman in his suspious call for political reasons.

Make of it what you will....

 

[Keefer]

" The rumors have been he committed suicide for various reasons but that he chose to identify a blackman in his suspious call for political reasons.

Make of it what you will....

Why not 3 black guys? Why not 2 black guys and one Hispanic ? The list goes on...Seriously, I think it's obvious that some people are letting their bias get the better of them.

 

[Chuz Life]

What is the evidence of suicide at this point? What are reasons for suicide that isn't just pure speculation at this point?

Lack of known evidence for a homicide does not create evidence of a suicide.

I think much of that evidence is forth coming. Until then, we have a lot of circumstantial evidence that has led me to that conclusion. Though I have to say that I am NOT completely convinced that it was an intentional suicide. It may have been unintentional.

The circumstantial evidence includes

1. The reports that "Gliniewicz was found face down with his hand “in a gun position” and the gun “dropped at his body.”

2. The fact that the cop killer manhunt has been reduced to a search for persons of interest.

3. The fact that K9's and a multitude of officers were on the scene within minutes of the Lt's death and none were able to detect the path or presence of any fleeing suspects.

4. The fact that the State and Local authorities "Scaled back" their own manhunt just 14 Hr.s into it.

 

[vestigare]

Why not 3 black guys? Why not 2 black guys and one Hispanic ? The list goes on...Seriously, I think it's obvious that some people are letting their bias get the better of them.

You will have to ask Joe since he made them up.

Other people speculate it was

Because LE are not up against a vocal and sometimes hostile hispanic group right now. Because BLM is a huge headache for LE right now and apparently gliniewicz had some words about the organization on his social media.

And because apparently black males make up less than one percent of the population of fox lake.

Because if he made them up he could have chosen hispanic or female or nothing so he had a reason for what he chose.

 

[Chuz Life]

But we do not know if they picked up any scent trails or not. I have not seen anyone say there were no signs of any scent trails. All we know is that they didn't corner anyone or find anyone hiding. but they could have trailed a scent that stopped--perhaps where a car was waiting?

Don't you think that the authorities would have reported a K9 hit on a scent trail - even if it ended at a large body of water or a place where a vehicle might have been?

You don't think the media would have been all over something like that?

I understand why those who would rather this be something other than a suicide might want to believe the dogs and searchers found more evidence of the 'suspects' than they are disclosing. I don't see them withholding that confirmation from the public though. If the suspects were "real" and they really have confirmation of them. . . they would have escalated the manhunt. They wouldn't have scaled it back so quickly.

 

[night train]

If I missed a shot at a position I desired and sensed it was because I shared my political views on farcebook or in real time?

I've no doubt I'd rest secure in the knowledge that no job is worth behaving Iike a trained monkey in a politically correct 3 ring circus.

I hope Lt. Gliniewicz felt the same...

 

[Tillicum]

If you remove information not provided by a named source there is no new information. The information provided by unnamed sources is something to be taken with a grain of salt. Add it to the maybe list.

I agree. I'm as anxious as everyone else for more information but I'll wait till someone puts a name with their claim before I take it as fact. I mean seriously, what is the motivation for releasing confidential information in an open investigation? When you think about it, what if this does turn out to be a murder? How will all this suicide information from unnamed sources affect a jury?

 

[Cubby]

I agree. I'm as anxious as everyone else for more information but I'll wait till someone puts a name with their claim before I take it as fact. I mean seriously, what is the motivation for releasing confidential information in an open investigation? When you think about it, what if this does turn out to be a murder? How will all this suicide information from unnamed sources affect a jury?

The coroner has put his name to msm indicating he can't rule out suicide and can't rule in murder along with the reasons why. AFAIK, the only relevent info that remains from an anonymous source is the position in which the body was found and the location of the service weapon.

We don't know yet if a jury is going to be necessary.

 

[Tillicum]

http://patch.com/illinois/crystalla...g-task-force-probing-cops-death-not-next-week

 

[Solitaryone]

http://patch.com/illinois/crystalla...g-task-force-probing-cops-death-not-next-week

http://patch.com/illinois/crystalla...g-task-force-probing-cops-death-not-next-week

“I feel like I’m in Alice in Wonderland here,” said Rudd.

<Snip>

"The coroner said his meeting with the task force cannot be scheduled until after pathologist Manny Montez returns from vacation Sunday. Montez was at the Sept. 14 meeting, Rudd said, but he wants him back when he sits down with the police."

More at link.

 

[Chuz Life]

Sorry to say. But a dog needs a scent to follow. So what item was used to have the dogs follow the scent?

I don't think the perp left a piece of clothing behind which would allow LE to give to the dogs to track.

So the dogs that follows scents are not going to be useful unless they have a scent to go on. So unless they are cadaver or drug dogs; they will not be useful to track suspects without their handler providing the dogs the sample of the scent that they are suppose to follow. Jmo.

It was alleged that the killer or killers stripped the Lt of his gun and killed him with it.

That means their scent at least and maybe even their prints and their dna should have been on the gun as well.

Trained dogs should have been able to follow a scent trail from the scent left on the gun. Especially on a hot day when the alleged perps hands would likely be sweaty and he would have been perspiring after the struggle and shooting.

 

[vestigare]

http://patch.com/illinois/crystalla...g-task-force-probing-cops-death-not-next-week

“I feel like I’m in Alice in Wonderland here,” said Rudd.

<Snip>

"The coroner said his meeting with the task force cannot be scheduled until after pathologist Manny Montez returns from vacation Sunday. Montez was at the Sept. 14 meeting, Rudd said, but he wants him back when he sits down with the police."

More at link.

So, we have a cop killer or three running around town and we are all going wait until someone gets back from vacation to sit down and discuss the evidence so we can explain to the public how we need to proceed.....