GUILTY IL - Willow Long, 7, Watson, 8 Sept 2013 - #4

[Ladylub]

I don't think the search would have been any different at all. Missing persons cases aren't based on when the Mother last saw the child. It's based on when and where the child was last seen. I'm also sure that both adults in the house were instantly suspects in the LE eyes but they also had to play it out like a runaway case.

No matter what CD said the cops are first going to go on the assumption that Willow walked out of the door on her own at 8:45.

I think there is a slight possibility the search would have been slightly different. We do not know who came up with the story of "events" that morning. Mom may have come up with that on her own to not look like a bad mom. Event details might have been different had it come from JD's mouth.

 

[scadder21]

Your missing the point Angel. Yes, LE bases it on when the victim was last seen. Even if Mom had said Saturday night Justin would have simply said she was last seen in the AM but then I went into my room and came out she was gone.

Don't you see both CD and JD were adults and even if CD had told the truth JD would and probably did say he saw her Sunday Morning. Thus police going on the assumption that she left or went missing Sunday.

Fact is the last adult to see her was JD. In his first interview I'm quite sure he said he saw her last Sunday Morning.

 

[Curious Me]

The branches/twig pile is bigger and closer to the house than I imagined. I still don't understand why anyone would throw cat litter there. Why'd he mention that as part of his alibi? :dunno: Wish we knew more to determine what's an absolute lie. JMO, it seems like an odd place to have a pile like that sitting there all the time when there's stumbling toddlers around.

 

[scadder21]

I think there is a slight possibility the search would have been slightly different. We do not know who came up with the story of "events" that morning. Mom may have come up with that on her own to not look like a bad mom. Event details might have been different had it come from JD's mouth.

So your saying the girls uncle is inherently more of a suspect than the mom even without any other evidence? What reason would cops have to disbelieve him saying he saw her last in AM on Sunday especially if he would have been the stated babysitter.

Fact is if CD tells the truth it's the SAME start to the investigation.

 

[NZkirsty]

Has anyone wondered why she ran away in the past? I think she was 5 - what 5 year old would just wonder away?! she's not 2!! she ran away for a reason I think.

 

[scadder21]

Has anyone wondered why she ran away in the past? I think she was 5 - what 5 year old would just wonder away?! she's not 2!! she ran away for a reason I think.

I don't think that is confirmed at this point. Just a story a local person said saying they thought she wondered off before. Shot down by the Grandpa who said she never left the property without permission.

 

[gngr~snap]

The branches/twig pile is bigger and closer to the house than I imagined. I still don't understand why anyone would throw cat litter there. Why'd he mention that as part of his alibi? :dunno: Wish we knew more to determine what's an absolute lie. JMO, it seems like an odd place to have a pile like that sitting there all the time when there's stumbling toddlers around.

The pile was there way before the children moved in.
IMO
They should just be told to avoid it and encouraged to play somewhere else in the yard.
(And supervised outdoors as well)
In the family's defense ...
Moving grandkids into an older established home is tough.
It is hard to childproof some areas outside.

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[ToothlessFairy]

It has been said we can discuss theories on why CD lied. This really isn't about why (for me).


Gramps said he knew his grandbaby and that she (Willow) would NEVER leave the front yard unless it was with someone she knew...ever. If that is true, don't you think CD knew that as well, being her mother, living in the same house? ...then why would she tell LE that Willow must have run off on her own outside of the yard?

I smell unbrined paddlefish.

 

[Curious Me]

:scared::scared::scared: While I was composing my last post, BANG, BANG, two gun shots scared me under my desk. I'm pretty sure it must've been gun shots and really close by. I waited, then went out on the balcony overlooking the streets and other apt bldg., but it's dark, and I saw nothing but other people peeking out through their windows. All is quiet now.

Oh well, the sighs of complacency, this is life in the hood, I guess.

 

[seguek9]

Has anyone wondered why she ran away in the past? I think she was 5 - what 5 year old would just wonder away?! she's not 2!! she ran away for a reason I think.

Total rumor...posted by a random person.

 

[gngr~snap]

It has been said we can discuss theories on why CD lied. This really isn't about why (for me).


Gramps said he knew his grandbaby and that she (Willow) would NEVER leave the front yard unless it was with someone she knew...ever. If that is true, don't you think CD knew that as well, being her mother, living in the same house? ...then why would she tell LE that Willow must have run off on her own outside of the yard?

I smell unbrined paddlefish.

JD IMO is playing games!
He has fed them a story and provided a crime scene to match, that lacks evidence of any crime being committed.
He is saying "no, no, no! Don't look anywhere else... this is the scene I swear "
My mind says
OK - look everywhere else, but don't waste your time in the bathroom or the yard ...
There is nothing there folks!

And he is sitting back smiling thinking he has pulled off the ultimate murder.
A confession with no proof of a crime scene where he claims it happened ...
Even the stabbing location is incorrect.
He is gonna play the coerced confession card.
Claiming his confession proves he doesn't know what the "real killer " did.

all moo, he is up to something
maybe not exactly like this but something!

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[Ladylub]

So your saying the girls uncle is inherently more of a suspect than the mom even without any other evidence? What reason would cops have to disbelieve him saying he saw her last in AM on Sunday especially if he would have been the stated babysitter.

Fact is if CD tells the truth it's the SAME start to the investigation.

Let me try this again. Typed it all out and hit enter and the site went down on me. Knew I should have copied it before I submitted my reply.

What I am saying is we do not know if the story would have changed. We do not know if mom told LE what her brother had said taking it as the truth but saying she was the one that got them breakfast so she does not look bad or if mom came up with the story on her own to "cover up" her sleeping in. JD went along with it b/c it takes any eyes off of him as to something could have happened the night before while he was watching them.

Had mom said I went out and left the kids with him and I did not check on them last night and I slept in, JD would have been the last person to see Willow in that house. Being the last person to see Willow I doubt he would have been able to go off to work. They would have been questioning him the most.

 

[ToothlessFairy]

I'm 100% believing Gramps (sorry if you disagree). I believe what he said, that she would NEVER leave the yard by herself, and that he believed it was an abduction, and that she would NOT leave unless it was with someone she *knew*. I don't believe for a second that she ran away before. That was one post on FB by an attention-seeking pot stirring fool who said "Oh yeh, she ran away and walked all the way to Effingham" - and it went viral from there.

...yet her mother, of 7 years...said Willow must have run off to chase a ruddy Frog.

Fish I tell you...fish.

 

[cluciano63]

The brother may have broken down and confessed, if he had been put under the gun right away, if the mother had told the truth.

 

[seguek9]

Once again...us very rural folks have brush piles to be burned in fall/winter... We have to keep up with acres of land every year...Yes some of us dump our cleared brush/kitty litter(I use the pine stuff for my cats)/combustibles/leaves/farm crap type stuff on these piles....then we set them on fire once the all clear for "open burning" is given (by officials). I personally use a composting system AS WELL as a slash/brush pile system...but in a homestead/ rural setting its pretty much up to the landowner--city folk have a hard time understanding places that don't actually have "curb-side trash/leaf/brush pick up"....I don't even have a curb...nor does my town of <1000....
(Posted only for perspective)

 

[Isabelle]

Cool water would actually cause it to clot sooner IMO.
Hot water might not.

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Cool water, or mostly any water would cause the individual blood cells to swell and burst.

 

[scadder21]

Let me try this again. Typed it all out and hit enter and the site went down on me. Knew I should have copied it before I submitted my reply.

What I am saying is we do not know if the story would have changed. We do not know if mom told LE what her brother had said taking it as the truth but saying she was the one that got them breakfast so she does not look bad or if mom came up with the story on her own to "cover up" her sleeping in. JD went along with it b/c it takes any eyes off of him as to something could have happened the night before while he was watching them.

Had mom said I went out and left the kids with him and I did not check on them last night and I slept in, JD would have been the last person to see Willow in that house. Being the last person to see Willow I doubt he would have been able to go off to work. They would have been questioning him the most.

I simply disagree with you. I believe JD told CD the story about the breakfast because that is when JD said he saw her last.

I believe the cops have already said the red flag was raised on Justin when he decided to go to work rather than help look for his niece. I don't think the Uncle saying that he saw her at 8:45am would have made him any more of a suspect than Mom saying she saw her at 8:45am.

I do agree it may have been much quicker to sort out if Mom wouldn't have confused the story with the 8:45 thing and the Uncle did say 8:45 and then still choose to go to work so quickly after last seeing her. Essentially, the CD's lie probably had a negligable effect and I doubt it would hurt the States chance to prosecute JD.

 

[Isabelle]

It has been said we can discuss theories on why CD lied. This really isn't about why (for me).


Gramps said he knew his grandbaby and that she (Willow) would NEVER leave the front yard unless it was with someone she knew...ever. If that is true, don't you think CD knew that as well, being her mother, living in the same house? ...then why would she tell LE that Willow must have run off on her own outside of the yard?

I smell unbrined paddlefish.

One of my theories for the lie is that CD did not get home until after 8am and whoever was with her tipped DCFS when information started coming out about Willow being missing. I don't know if CD was with her boyfriend or just with other friends, but I think they know where and when of CD.

ETA: it is possible that a neighbor was outside their home when CD arrived home.

 

[scadder21]

I still am very PO'd...regardless.

If DCSF was called on Sunday by someone who was reporting suspected abuse in the home (which has already been established and released), then why was everyone still being told Sunday that they were looking for a child chasing a ruddy frog?

I don't think anyone has said WHY DCFS was caused. Hasn't the only thing been released that they were called. And I think people were being told about the Frog story because LE already felt it was JD and they didn't have the info to prove it but didn't have enough to hold him.

 

[Isabelle]

I still am very PO'd...regardless.

If DCSF was called on Sunday by someone who was reporting suspected abuse in the home (which has already been established and released), then why was everyone still being told Sunday that they were looking for a child chasing a ruddy frog? AND, if someone had the knockers to call DCSF on Sunday to report suspected abuse in the home (when DCSF never had anything to do with the D family prior to that) then why didn't this "abuse in the home" person pick up the flipping phone and call the police with this report, so the police could immediately change from "willow's chasing a frog" to "something might have happened to willow".

FISH

Could be LE didn't want to show their hand!