Deceased/Not Found IL - Yingying Zhang, 26, Urbana, 9 June 2017 #10 *Still Missing*

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Exactly! If he hunted, I was hoping to read about where he did that. If he fished, his favorite spot would be a good place to look. If he hiked, something, efforts would be focused there. I knew he liked to work out but I don't know if he ran, for example. But yes, research shows this killers will dispose mostly in places they know very, very well. Body Disposal Patterns of Sexual Murderers: Implications for Offender Profiling


kittythehare said:
so, we can say, well, we always knew but past few weeks has enhanced our knowledge that he was bone lazy, so is it not conceivable that the trophy place or the place of concealment is very close to his apartment? His interest in serial killers started early 2016...killing her and dismembering her, if that happened, would probably not have been sufficient- he wanted to surpass Bundy.. he was even better than Bundy in his own mind...
no job, no way to run a car if Michelle gone... had to be walking distance...he was building up his CV... might have felt he would need to provide proof for his new peer group of serial killer admirers?
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Duty to warn laws (not recommendations, laws) are in place to protect both clients and potential victims. The age of the patient does not affect a mental health professional's duty to "warn". So, in fact these laws are designed to suspend the endangered person's autonomy for their own protection. In other words, the laws are in place to ensure it's not left to a potentially dangerous individual (to themselves or others) to seek further treatment or inflict harm.

"Liability to victims of a client’s actions don’t usually occur unless the practitioner is found to have been negligent and had not exercised steps of reasonable care, which include the identification of and taking steps to mitigate the client’s dangerous actions. Reasonable actions could be a number of practices, including: “notifying law enforcement, arranging for hospitalization of the patient (either voluntary or, if necessary, involuntary), increasing the frequency and intensity of treatment, including referral for a psychiatric evaluation and possible medication, psychological testing, and clinical consultation regarding assessment, diagnosis, or treatment issues” (Leslie, 2017). "

You can learn more about "duty to warn" laws in Illinois here:

The Importance of Duty to Warn / Duty to Protect | Counseling Center of Illinois

Laughing said:
BC was legally an adult. They can recommend, but really cannot require him to do anything.

If LE finds him in public, with behavior dangerous to self or others, LE can lock him up. Counselors cannot.

Upthread, someone mentioned BC also seeing a psychiatrist during this time & misusing a prescription? Did I miss that? Did BC mention this to the UofI counselors? If so, that practitioner should be on the stand as well....
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AnemoneBrown said:
I agree with you. We also discussed sometime ago whether U of I had policy in place with a duty o report, but I could not find it and then we talked about the fact that, as you say, he lied and said that was all behind him.

To think two weeks later he would go on overdrive.

It looks like the "disclosure" took place in December:
"Zortman said the couple had almost no social life outside of each other and spent each night together playing video games and watching movies. That changed one night in December 2016, when Christensen got drunk and made comments to his wife that scared her to the point where she began considering a divorce."

Christensen Drove Car 200 Miles in Days Surrounding Zhang’s Disappearance
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RE: Duty to Report at UIUC.

There are only two I know of. Child abuse/exploitation and sexual harassment/abuse. There may be other things that employees with specific jobs are required to report, but I am unaware of what those would be.
 
lynneboh said:
Just a thought...

Could BC have siphoned the 1/2 a tank of gas to use to incinerate the body?
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We talked a bit about this already, not much.
BC was capable of doing anything, it seems.
Possibly incinerate, though would have needed more than half s tank, I would imagine..
He certainly didn't drink it, sadly, being a narcissist..
Could have used some of it to burn her clothes and personal items or body parts...possibly could easily have been done in those cornfields on a pyre without anybody noticing much..
then again, there is no evidence of any further movements by him on that or the following days...or the preceding night or day.

I think the FBI had the capability and the resources at that early stage to at least have checked that out...
It looks increasngly as though he did not move again in that car.
We have spent more than 2 full years examining every possible possibility and location.. we always came up empty.

Fresh thoughts or insights are needed.
The best possible thing would be to remove that power from him.
Then he would die inside.
His control would be gone absolutely.
Forever.
 
lynneboh said:
Just a thought...

Could BC have siphoned the 1/2 a tank of gas to use to incinerate the body?
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well, it wouldn't require anywhere near 1/2 a tank of gas to burn a small body, but it would require a very remote location or something like a cave to keep the billowing smoke from attracting attention and a call to the fire dept.
 
Webthrush said:
well, it wouldn't require anywhere near 1/2 a tank of gas to burn a small body, but it would require a very remote location or something like a cave to keep the billowing smoke from attracting attention and a call to the fire dept.
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It takes a lot of time and a lot of heat and a lot of combustibles to burn a body!

Cave, you said CAVE...!!!
I don't think we searched for caves? I don't remember.
Shall we do it now?
(hope springs eternal)
 
Just my gut feeling...

I think BC disposed of the remains either at Lake in the Woods Park, Mahomet IL, or at the Johnson Ross building in Champaign, or he put them in some random dumpster. He appears too lazy and too cocky to have carried out any elaborate plan of disposal.

These may seem too obvious but (JMHO) I don't believe BC is as smart or clever as people, or he, thinks he is.
 
lynneboh said:
Just my gut feeling...

I think BC disposed of the remains either at Lake in the Woods Park, Mahomet IL, or at the Johnson Ross building in Champaign, or he put them in some random dumpster. He appears too lazy and too cocky to have carried out any elaborate plan of disposal.

These may seem too obvious but (JMHO) I don't believe BC is as smart or clever as people, or he, thinks he is.
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I think a lot rides on when exactly he disposed of her, whether it was Friday night, which I doubt because I have a feeling he left her in the bathroom overnight and he had a helluva clean-up to do, washing carpets etc which had to be dry prior to Michelle's return on Sunday at 5pm.
That might be an explanation for the cadaver dog signal under the vanity, suggesting seepage.
A dumpster might fit because he didn't dump the large bag, it could possibly have attracted notice on a dumpster. It's equally possible that he was so mean that he expected to re-use it for a similar project in the near future. also possible is that he saved some 'trophies' in it.

It's the most frustrating thing to work in the dark, being clueless to what if any searching the FBI did.
I dont think they did enough.
Enough to nail him, but not enough to find out from him or find out through searching the location of her remains.
No catharsis.
He was living in the area for quite some time, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he knew of a few random manholes that were easily openable and of sufficient size to receive a body or body parts.
It's also possible that her alleged decapitation was carried out in an attempt to make her 'fit' into a specific space , pre-prepared. Be about 4'7" high or wide...
he may well have kept her head, he described her as having had 'supernatural' strength to fight back.
And even though he is an utter liar, it's possible there is some truth in this because it would suit the impression he was apparently trying to convey to TB that he easily and quickly murdered and sliced her, an expert, likeBundy, his 13th...?
I hope she did fight and I hope her spirit fights him forever and he gets to know it and feel it!

Johnson Ross is certainly most convenient.. possibly an old metal barrel , lying there for years in a disused section of the site... all kinds of possibilities but no access to even suss out a 'feel' for the place...

If it is a thing he did bury her in a public space, I imagine he would have taken many trips past this space in the days after the murder... no way to get hold of that information, either.
 
I am not faulting LE for their search efforts, but things don't always go the way they should.

In July 2013, a female hiker went missing off the Appalachian Trail in Maine. Search efforts continued for over two years to no avail. In October 2015 a forestry worker for the U.S. Navy came upon her remains by accident. The attached article even mentions that search dogs came within 100 yards of her remains, but that she wasn't found by the search party.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...AhAB&usg=AOvVaw1tQ6Tn7__hXo4lgKTW4cEn&ampcf=1

Yingying's remains could possibly be nearby but overlooked.
 
lynneboh said:
Just my gut feeling...

I think BC disposed of the remains either at Lake in the Woods Park, Mahomet IL, or at the Johnson Ross building in Champaign, or he put them in some random dumpster. He appears too lazy and too cocky to have carried out any elaborate plan of disposal.

These may seem too obvious but (JMHO) I don't believe BC is as smart or clever as people, or he, thinks he is.
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They searched lots of local locations, but I never heard them mention Lake of the Woods.
 
kittythehare said:
I think a lot rides on when exactly he disposed of her, whether it was Friday night, which I doubt because I have a feeling he left her in the bathroom overnight and he had a helluva clean-up to do, washing carpets etc which had to be dry prior to Michelle's return on Sunday at 5pm.
That might be an explanation for the cadaver dog signal under the vanity, suggesting seepage.
A dumpster might fit because he didn't dump the large bag, it could possibly have attracted notice on a dumpster. It's equally possible that he was so mean that he expected to re-use it for a similar project in the near future. also possible is that he saved some 'trophies' in it.

It's the most frustrating thing to work in the dark, being clueless to what if any searching the FBI did.
I dont think they did enough.
Enough to nail him, but not enough to find out from him or find out through searching the location of her remains.
No catharsis.
He was living in the area for quite some time, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he knew of a few random manholes that were easily openable and of sufficient size to receive a body or body parts.
It's also possible that her alleged decapitation was carried out in an attempt to make her 'fit' into a specific space , pre-prepared. Be about 4'7" high or wide...
he may well have kept her head, he described her as having had 'supernatural' strength to fight back.
And even though he is an utter liar, it's possible there is some truth in this because it would suit the impression he was apparently trying to convey to TB that he easily and quickly murdered and sliced her, an expert, likeBundy, his 13th...?
I hope she did fight and I hope her spirit fights him forever and he gets to know it and feel it!

Johnson Ross is certainly most convenient.. possibly an old metal barrel , lying there for years in a disused section of the site... all kinds of possibilities but no access to even suss out a 'feel' for the place...

If it is a thing he did bury her in a public space, I imagine he would have taken many trips past this space in the days after the murder... no way to get hold of that information, either.
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Remember, he didnt take their deal, so whatever he did, he didnt think they would be where he performed his method of disposal. If he put her in Johnson-Ross or in some public place, why wouldnt he have taken their deal, instead of amending it to require only "truthful information"?
 
lynneboh said:
Just my gut feeling...

I think BC disposed of the remains either at Lake in the Woods Park, Mahomet IL, or at the Johnson Ross building in Champaign, or he put them in some random dumpster. He appears too lazy and too cocky to have carried out any elaborate plan of disposal.

These may seem too obvious but (JMHO) I don't believe BC is as smart or clever as people, or he, thinks he is.
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Sorry...it's Lake of the Woods Park
 
dm92 said:
Remember, he didnt take their deal, so whatever he did, he didnt think they would be where he performed his method of disposal. If he put her in Johnson-Ross or in some public place, why wouldnt he have taken their deal, instead of amending it to require only "truthful information"?
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Have you ever heard the expression "he couldn't tell the truth if his life depended upon it"?

I don't think BC wants to tell the truth about the remains because it is the only thing left in his life that he has control over.
 
dm92 said:
Remember, he didnt take their deal, so whatever he did, he didnt think they would be where he performed his method of disposal. If he put her in Johnson-Ross or in some public place, why wouldnt he have taken their deal, instead of amending it to require only "truthful information"?
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could also mean he would have told them something like ' I threw her body in the sea', somewhere devoid of hope for retrieval, no way to prove or disprove.
While, all the while he had her in a neat little box, directly across the street from his apartment, there to be enjoyed at his leisure.
 
lynneboh said:
Just my gut feeling...

I think BC disposed of the remains either at Lake in the Woods Park, Mahomet IL, or at the Johnson Ross building in Champaign, or he put them in some random dumpster. He appears too lazy and too cocky to have carried out any elaborate plan of disposal.

These may seem too obvious but (JMHO) I don't believe BC is as smart or clever as people, or he, thinks he is.
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You got this part 100% right. Dumbass kept the baseball bat. He could have easily disposed of it.....
 
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