Deceased/Not Found IL - Yingying Zhang, 26, Urbana, 9 June 2017 #11 *GUILTY*

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Hello kittythehare, thanks for asking your questions. I know you followed the case closely throughout. Unfortunately, I don't have great answers for these questions. I'll do my best to outline what we knew.

Regarding the amount of blood we recovered - it wasn't much. We could make inferences based on where it was located, but we could not tabulate how much blood was lost from what we recovered. For example, there was spots of Yingying's blood on the mattress. Those amounts were small. The blood from underneath the tack strip and soaked into the floorboard is more telling. That blood had to be a sufficient quantity to drip down the wall, soak under the tack strip and carpet, soak into the wood and carpet, and still be leftover from his extensive cleaning efforts. I think it's a fair inference to say that was quite a bit of blood. The little pool of what was leftover after cleaning was not large - maybe 10" x 4-5" or so. Was it enough to show death just from the amount of blood lost? I'm not certain. That was one of the things I wanted to hire an expert to do, but we ultimately chose not to, as there was a significant risk if the amount of blood was not sufficient to show death. We felt we had enough to prove Yingying's murder without introducing more uncertainty.

Regarding the bathroom - remember, Christensen had a professional cleaning done on the tub. It was unlikely we would recover anything after that cleaning. He missed cleaning under the vanity, however, and the cadaver dog picked up that odor several weeks later. Where did he kill her? It would have been hard to swing a bat in that bathroom, but that's what he claims he did. I don't have any answers on that.

RE: the disposal of her body, that is the mystery, isn't it? The prosecution / investigatory team still believes Christensen disposed of her body in the trash bin, and that her remains are in the landfill somewhere. There is still interest in other locations, notably Allerton Park, but nothing concrete that moves the general belief off the landfill hypothesis. We have no credible evidence to suggest Christensen buried the remains, nor that he burned them. Burning a body would take quite a bit of time and effort. Christensen was lazy. He never went outdoors (beyond to and from class) if he could avoid it. He had no tools to dig a grave and burn a body. It's possible he had them and got rid of them, but that seems to be against his general character.

Regarding trophies / videotaping, that is all possible. His electronic devices were all seized and reviewed, however, and we found no trace of any video involving Yingying. His accessing his *advertiser censored* files after the murder - when Yingying's body was still in his apartment - is beyond disgusting. In all probability, he was masturbating with a dead body partially dismembered in his bathroom. I suppose it is possible he videotaped the murder, hid it in his *advertiser censored* file, and was watching it at that time - and then later deleted it - we just don't know. We did not find any videos of the murder.

We know, from MC and TEB, that Christensen came up with a ridiculous explanation for the disappearance of the giant bag he ordered. He left the house with it after MC had returned, and told MC and TEB it contained a broken cat tree that someone must have stolen from the grounds near TEB's residence (NOTE: the jurors laughed continually about this ridiculous story - they told us after the trial how ridiculous they found it). Christensen later told us the bag contained Yingying's belongings, etc., and that he drove around C-U dumping it in dumpsters. That bag likely also contained the knives and cleaning materials. Remember, the bag had been in a closet in their house, and the agents found baking soda in that area during their search (which, per MC, was not there when she left). It's possible he kept trophies initially, but decided the heat was too much, and ended up dumping them.

I don't believe Yingying was alive long in the apartment. Christensen sexually assaulted her, tortured her, and killed her in brutal fashion - but I don't think Yingying was alive beyond a couple hours inside the apartment.

As far as what more could have been done - this is still a sore subject. Do I wish we would have done more? Of course - I wish we had done whatever it takes to find her. I still wish that. Nobody pushed harder for a landfill search than me. Even after the FBI said no, I begged and pleaded, whatever I needed to do, to try to get one of our agencies to do that search. I was pushing on that as early as the fall of 2017. The agencies all said no, for various reasons. I was not able to come to some peace with that (NOTE: coming to "peace" with something does not mean I agree with the result, or am happy...just that I can accept the rationale) until ISP and U of I did their extensive study on it. Searching the Danville landfill would have cost millions of dollars to search, exposed thousands of people to asbestos, medical, and toxic waste, risked environmental damage, taken months, and then cost thousands (or millions) of dollars more in litigation afterwards - all for perhaps a 1 or 2% chance of finding her remains if she were even there. That's a tough sell. Despite how tough of a sell that was, and despite the fact that Yingying's family was suing them at the time, I know the University really wanted to do the search. This was just too much risk for a vanishingly small chance of reward though.

As for searching outside of the landfill, certainly more could have been done, but that's not how the FBI operates. Had this been a state agency leading the investigation, then perhaps they would have marshalled the public to assist. I know everyone here wanted that. The reason state agencies sometimes marshal the pubic is often one of two scenarios: (1) they just don't have the resources to follow all the leads, or (2) they don't have any leads. Neither was the case here. FBI brought federal resources, and they followed every single lead. How much more would have been productive? Is searching for the sake of searching, even if there is no reason to believe the area to be searched would produce evidence, productive? I don't know the answer to that. I do know such searches pose risks when marshalling the public. C-U is in the middle of farm country. Having parades of people traipsing through farmlands in the summer and fall risked damaging crops, among other risks. Expending the necessary law enforcement resources to conduct such searches would have drained the agencies of the ability to investigate other crimes. Again, those are tough decisions. The FBI chose to let the public guide them through tips, and kept the investigation internal.

Even if she's not in the dumpster, I doubt he hid her somewhere near his apartment. There were extensive searches, of the type you suggest, in the areas around the apartment. The FBI and state agencies used dogs (cadaver and articles searching) throughout much of that area, and many of these areas were extensively searched. Ponds were dredged through, dumpsters dove into by agents, fields combed, empty buildings explored, etc. There was a lot more searching in and immediately around C-U than the public knew about.

Will she be found? Will anyone search for her again? I hope so! FBI is still following leads, so if something comes in, they will follow up. As I noted in a recent post, they dredged a pond and searched a woodline in northwest Champaign as recently as a couple months ago based on a new tip from after the trial. If she is in the landfill, finding her will require a new set of eyes, a technological breakthrough that would make searching landfills easier and safer, or some serious fortitude by the leadership of a law enforcement agency or a private / public partnership with significant resources.
What an amazing answer and what an amazing person you are.

I felt a sense of peace washing over me as I read it, peace and catharsis.

I'm truly grateful to you for that.

I also understand now about the bedroom blood, that makes a whole lotta sense. I suppose I had been thinking he had penetrated her with the bat but now maybe what you said in an earlier post makes most sense. And it's likely he used one or more receptacles for the blood as well. He had thought a certain amount of it through in advance. 'bought some things, sent them back..' The bag was one of the things.

Was there ever any record of him purchasing any fast setting cement? Because of his laziness, it would have been quick and easy to place what was left of her body in a plastic barrel and pour cement over it and just leave it somewhere... that was part of my drive to search the JR building... He had an understanding of decomposition processes. I had a weird notion he'd placed her in a blue plastic barrel that nobody would ever notice because it was so very obvious..

He had his killing fantasies, we know, but was he also playing head games with the FBI.. competing, taunting them? Was that a thing? he thought he was the mastermind... I wonder whether it was an aspect in his original plan? Like his hero, Bundy?

Is there any possibility that barrel or whatever receptacle he might have chosen was placed in full view of the FBI offices?

Was he that twisted? To hide her right out in the open?

I agree that a landfill search is a futile proposition for all the reasons you have stated.

I'm really grateful you joined us, you brought insight I simply did not have. I was unaware that LE worked with empathy sympathy and a whole lot of compassion as you have demonstrated. I was a nurse for 30 years so the horrors inflicted on a human body do not fill me with terror, but the heart is another thing entirely.

A weight has lifted from my psyche and soma.
Light has filled many dark areas in me regarding YingYing's investigation.

I did hit a major downer when it was announced FBI would be lead agency because that invariable means zero information and prolonged torture for the sleuths.

I'm also so sorry the cadaver dog died. That was a profound loss for his handler. RIP beautiful soul.

Thanks again and I hope you stay and if you ever want us to work on anything, just give us a holler.

Thank you all for this most gracious gift.

Namaste.
 
@CousinYeti

It was reported by the news outlets that, some months before the crime, BC had made a comment or confession to his wife which shocked her and which changed the dynamics of their marriage from that point on. Do you know what that comment was and would you be able to share that information?

Thanks for your insight so far.

I think I remember what that was. He was confessing his interest in serial killers/wanting to kill someone to her while drunk and she demanded he stop drinking and get help for it. Not long after that she considered divorce but opted to stay with him but open the marriage. I am sure Cousin Yeti will have the full details if I am not remembering this correctly.
 
Alright, I'm going to take this one at a time until I catch up. First up, dm92 from May 26 RE: Chinese law enforcement.


I will keep going on additional questions as I get time - it may take me a bit, I apologize.

Thanks for that excellent response. Very informative.

Regarding the bathroom - remember, Christensen had a professional cleaning done on the tub. It was unlikely we would recover anything after that cleaning. He missed cleaning under the vanity, however, and the cadaver dog picked up that odor several weeks later. Where did he kill her? It would have been hard to swing a bat in that bathroom, but that's what he claims he did. I don't have any answers on that.

That is the one thing that has always given me pause about the bathroom. It isn't big and would be difficult to swing a bat there, but I still think it could be done. It is always possible that he hit her in the head with it on the bed, and that provided the source of the blood that ran down the wall, then he stabbed her in the neck/decapitated her in the bathtub, and dismembered her there. I still think he must have done something significant in the bathroom that involved a lot of blood. I don't think he would dump that much Draino down the drain and have it professionally cleaned if all he did was take a shower to wash blood off of himself after it was over.

Good to see the jury found the cat tree story as ridiculous as I did.

Thanks again. I will have some more questions, including a couple that will require me to post a couple of the photos from the apartment. I will post them when I can.
 
After Christensen was sentenced last summer, he was sent to the Livingston County Jail. He remained there until mid-October, when he was moved to the Oklahoma City federal transfer center.

In December, he was moved again, to the McCreary high-security penitentiary in southeastern Kentucky.

He was there for only a few months before being transferred for unknown reasons to the prison in Florida.

“We do not discuss the reasons for a specific inmate’s transfer,” federal Bureau of Prisons spokesman Scott Taylor said.

In the federal case, U.S. Judge Colin Bruce ruled in December that Ms. Zhang’s death “was simply too remote a consequence” for the social workers to be held liable under federal law, but he declined to rule on the state claims.

Third anniversary of Yingying's death: 'Still in great pain'
 
The hardest thing to stomach is how easy it would be to find out what happened to YY. The Chinese offer to 'interrogate' BC would yield immediate results - you can bet your bottom dollar on that. How cruel for the Zhangs that they can't have the peace of mind that the Chinese legal system would afford them.
 
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The hardest thing to stomach is how easy it would be to find out what happened to YY. The Chinese offer to 'interrogate' BC would yield immediate results - you can bet your bottom dollar on that. How cruel for the Zhangs that they can't have the peace of mind that the Chinese legal system would afford them.

IMOO, I agree, I would definitely buy him a plane ticket to China, then these nice officials can pick him up at the airport and give him a tour of the city.
 
Wow. Haven't been here in a while. Before I start piling up my questions as well..I'd also like to thank TEB for everything you've done.
Ok..now my timeline is fuzzy...but from what I remember..the thinking was that YY was dead within 5 hours of being grabbed?
So what was in the bag he carried out on Sunday night. ( you know..the one MC said " he picked it up like it didn't weigh nothin "..btw..that's a weird statement.
MC said BC told her it was a cat tree for TEB ...which we know it wasn't. Also..that night..how long was he gone? Did he take the car? Was he walking? A 2 minute walk to the dumpster?
And I'm gonna say what I've thought all along. MC knows wayyy more than she gave.
What was said on that Friday nite call between MC and BC? Is that open info now?

Hello trunkizback, like many of the others here, I know you spent a lot of time on the case. Thanks for the questions.

The thought is that the bag he carried out after MC returned home likely contained knives, empty Drano bottles, cleaning supplies, and Yingying's belongings. Christensen told MC and TEB it contained the broken cat tree, which he claimed he purchased at a Walmart with cash, but the agents went to every Walmart in the area and reviewed every purchase of a cat tree going back several months and never saw Christensen. It is unlikely that the bag contained her body, as a decaying body would have produced serious odors by that time, and MC claimed she did not notice any. At the same time, the bag was kept in a closet and Christensen had spread baking soda there. There was also a random knife in that closet. The emphasis on the weight was part of the explanation for the contents - a body would have required significant exertion, whereas knives and Yingying's belongings would have only half-filled the bag, and wouldn't have weighed as much (consistent with MC's statement).

There was a couple hour gap that day between the time he left MC and met with TEB. He claimed he spent that time dumping Yingying's belongings in dumpsters around C-U. We have nothing more to verify or refute that statement.

The text messages and conversations between MC and Christensen were inane. I'm not convinced MC knew any more about the murder itself. She certainly knew Christensen wanted to be a murderer - he told her that in December, and that prompted her to seek the exit (which she did through the open marriage). She also told law enforcement in the days after Yingying's murder that she was convinced he did it, and that if he did, he would have choked her to feel the life go out of her. Given Christensen's description of his abhorrent behavior, that statement, coming from his wife, was eerie. That said, I don't believe she was complicit in any way.
 
What an amazing answer and what an amazing person you are.

I felt a sense of peace washing over me as I read it, peace and catharsis.

I'm truly grateful to you for that.

I also understand now about the bedroom blood, that makes a whole lotta sense. I suppose I had been thinking he had penetrated her with the bat but now maybe what you said in an earlier post makes most sense. And it's likely he used one or more receptacles for the blood as well. He had thought a certain amount of it through in advance. 'bought some things, sent them back..' The bag was one of the things.

Was there ever any record of him purchasing any fast setting cement? Because of his laziness, it would have been quick and easy to place what was left of her body in a plastic barrel and pour cement over it and just leave it somewhere... that was part of my drive to search the JR building... He had an understanding of decomposition processes. I had a weird notion he'd placed her in a blue plastic barrel that nobody would ever notice because it was so very obvious..

He had his killing fantasies, we know, but was he also playing head games with the FBI.. competing, taunting them? Was that a thing? he thought he was the mastermind... I wonder whether it was an aspect in his original plan? Like his hero, Bundy?

Is there any possibility that barrel or whatever receptacle he might have chosen was placed in full view of the FBI offices?

Was he that twisted? To hide her right out in the open?

I agree that a landfill search is a futile proposition for all the reasons you have stated.

I'm really grateful you joined us, you brought insight I simply did not have. I was unaware that LE worked with empathy sympathy and a whole lot of compassion as you have demonstrated. I was a nurse for 30 years so the horrors inflicted on a human body do not fill me with terror, but the heart is another thing entirely.

A weight has lifted from my psyche and soma.
Light has filled many dark areas in me regarding YingYing's investigation.

I did hit a major downer when it was announced FBI would be lead agency because that invariable means zero information and prolonged torture for the sleuths.

I'm also so sorry the cadaver dog died. That was a profound loss for his handler. RIP beautiful soul.

Thanks again and I hope you stay and if you ever want us to work on anything, just give us a holler.

Thank you all for this most gracious gift.

Namaste.

Kittythehare, you are too kind - though I am glad that my responses, however meager they may be, offer some relief. I wish that anyone who wondered or questioned about law enforcement's dedication or empathy could have seen the agents and officers working on this case. They were tireless, and I know they did everything they could. The two primary FBI agents who worked on this case are two of the most impressive people I know. One is an aerospace engineer and former Air Force officer who now leads most of our most important FBI investigations in Central Illinois, and does much of the training for the new agents who come through here (our field office in Champaign is a waystation - the agents don't stay long, which makes the ones who do incredibly valuable). The other is a highly educated former big-city cop who now works for a special division of the FBI that travels the world hunting child predators. They are the archetype of what we hope for in a model law enforcement officer.

Christensen certainly thought highly of his intelligence -- he wanted everyone to know his IQ at the trial -- and he is intelligent. You don't get into the post-graduate physics program at the University of Illinois without being highly intelligent. The agents knew he was smart. They also knew that Christensen didn't seem to care about anyone or anything except himself - essentially, he showed classic sociopathic tendencies. He thought he could outsmart the agents, and they knew he felt that way. As smart as he is, he is not smarter than the two FBI agents - neither in the greater comparative sense, nor how he faced off with them in this case. It was those narcissistic tendencies and his need to show how smart he was that was his undoing -- and the agents knew it would be. That is why they proceeded how they did (exhibiting extensive patience to let him talk). He decided to talk to the agents and spun his BS. The agents let him spin his story, but when they pinned him down that they knew it was him, his world was shattered for a split second. You can see Christensen shaking and having a mini panic attack in that interview from June 15 after he was confronted. His confidence was shattered. He later told TEB what he did at the Memorial Walk because he needed someone to know how smart he was. He needed someone to know (through his incessant bragging) that he was smarter than some cops and FBI agents. The agents played him - they knew his arrogance and narcissism would be his undoing, and it was. They outsmarted him -- essentially, the agents were playing chess while Christensen played checkers

Christensen's purchases were reviewed extensively. That review is what gives me confidence that he did not bury Yingying. We found no record of him purchasing anything that would be necessary or useful in burying a body. He lived in an apartment and had little use for those items, so it is unlikely he had them beforehand. They did not find any record of him purchasing barrels or cement, though cash purchases are hard to track, and I don't think the agents specifically reviewed every purchase of those items. Since the trial, one of the FBI intelligence analysts has kept reviewing purchases at Christensen's preferred stores, and found one more purchase from the appropriate time frame that was missed in the first review. That purchase was for filleting knives and lots of Drano. Unfortunately, the store no longer had the video, but the agents suspect this was Christensen as well. There still is no evidence of him purchasing anything to bury, burn, or drown a body.

It is possible Christensen has outsmarted law enforcement in some fashion - if his statement that he has other victims is true, he left no trace of that. On the whole, however, I tend to doubt it these days.
 
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@CousinYeti

It was reported by the news outlets that, some months before the crime, BC had made a comment or confession to his wife which shocked her and which changed the dynamics of their marriage from that point on. Do you know what that comment was and would you be able to share that information?

Thanks for your insight so far.

Hi Olivia, thanks for the question. That conversation came in December of 2016. Christensen got drunk and decided to share his murderous fantasies with MC. He essentially told her he wanted to feel what it was like to kill someone and get away with it. MC was alarmed, and I believe that conversation is what prompted her to both press for an open marriage, and encourage his cooperation with law enforcement and mental health professionals.
 
Kittythehare, you are too kind - though I am glad that my responses, however meager they may be, offer some relief. I wish that anyone who wondered or questioned about law enforcement's dedication or empathy could have seen the agents and officers working on this case. They were tireless, and I know they did everything they could. The two primary FBI agents who worked on this case are two of the most impressive people I know. One is an aerospace engineer and former Air Force officer who now leads most of our most important FBI investigations in Central Illinois, and does much of the training for the new agents who come through here (our field office in Champaign is a waystation - the agents don't stay long, which makes the ones who do incredibly valuable). The other is a highly educated former big-city cop who now works for a special division of the FBI that travels the world hunting child predators. They are the archetype of what we hope for in a model law enforcement officer.

Christensen certainly thought highly of his intelligence -- he wanted everyone to know his IQ at the trial -- and he is intelligent. You don't get into the post-graduate physics program at the University of Illinois without being highly intelligent. The agents knew he was smart. They also knew that Christensen didn't seem to care about anyone or anything except himself - essentially, he showed classic sociopathic tendencies. He thought he could outsmart the agents, and they knew he felt that way. As smart as he is, he is not smarter than the two FBI agents - neither in the greater comparative sense, nor how he faced off with them in this case. It was those narcissistic tendencies and his need to show how smart he was that was his undoing -- and the agents knew it would be. That is why the proceeded how they did (exhibiting extensive patience to let him talk). He decided to talk to the agents and spun his BS. The agents let him spin his story, but when they pinned him down that they knew it was him, his world was shattered for a split second. You can see Christensen shaking and having a mini panic attack in that interview from June 15 after he was confronted. His confidence was shattered. He later told TEB what he did at the Memorial Walk because he needed someone to know how smart he was. He needed someone to know (through his incessant bragging) that he was smarter than some cops and FBI agents. The agents played him - they knew his arrogance and narcissism would be his undoing, and it was. They outsmarted him.

Christensen's purchases were reviewed extensively. That review is what gives me confidence that he did not bury Yingying. We found no record of him purchasing anything that would be necessary or useful in burying a body. He lived in an apartment and had little use for those items, so it is unlikely he had them beforehand. They did not find any record of him purchasing barrels or cement, though cash purchases are hard to track, and I don't think the agents specifically reviewed every purchase of those items. Since the trial, one of the FBI intelligence analysts has kept reviewing purchases at Christensen's preferred stores, and found one more purchase from the appropriate time frame that was missed in the first review. That purchase was for filleting knives and lots of Drano. Unfortunately, the store no longer had the video, but the agents suspect this was Christensen as well. There still is no evidence of him purchasing anything to bury, burn, or drown a body.

It is possible Christensen has outsmarted law enforcement in some fashion - if his statement that he has other victims is true, he left no trace of that. On the whole, however, I tend to doubt it these days.

Thank you.

I recall the trial, not all the knives were sent to laboratory for testing.
FBI cases always seem to be really streamlined.

They worked tips.
I remember the Las Vegas mass murder investigation.
Also very streamlined and left so many questions unanswered, information seemingly disregarded, the killer had anosmia, had child *advertiser censored* on his telephone/computer/one of his many laptops.. no catharsis.
It makes me wonder how much budget affected YY's investigation.
Had local PD been given tons of resources and staff and full access to all fBI resources, would the outcome have been different?

In hindsight they say they believe the landfill story, yet nobody thought of it at the outset when a massive landfill search would not have been required, only a week or two, a short section would have needed searching...?

The U of I PD were really impressive, I thought.

How did they feel afterwards? Did they feel more could have been done to find her?

Finally, the defense people- how can their tactics be viewed as ethical or acceptable?

Really finally, what did his defense cost the country?
 
Another question for Cousin Yeti:

Not the original question I planned on involving some of the photos of his apartment, but another one that hasn't really been addressed yet.

In your opinion, what was it that got his lawyers to drop their mental health defense for the penalty phase of the trial?

They spent so much time and effort to extend the trial out by filing motions related to this, and then they just dropped it suddenly without warning. I seem to recall that they objected to some things that the DOJ mental health experts were expected to ask him, and then when they didn't get those things excluded, they bailed on the strategy. Were they basically afraid that Park Dietz and the other expert were going to obliterate the claims of their experts?

That had to be extremely frustrating and infuriating. IT seems like most of the continuances they got were related to preparing this -even getting more time when *they* were the ones who screwed up big time in trying to schedule another mental health expert- and they turn around and drop it completely.

I took notice when I found out you had Dietz as one of your mental health examiners. That told me you guys weren't messing around
 
The hardest thing to stomach is how easy it would be to find out what happened to YY. The Chinese offer to 'interrogate' BC would yield immediate results - you can bet your bottom dollar on that. How cruel for the Zhangs that they can't have the peace of mind that the Chinese legal system would afford them.

Hey Olivia - just a thought on this. I am a firm believer that our system is the greatest in the world at balancing personal freedoms / due process with public protection. I wouldn't do what I do if I didn't believe that. Even in our system, where we have tons of protections in place for the accused, we still get allegations of false confessions. If we believe even one of those allegations of coerced confessions, in a system where people aren't being tortured, just questioned, would we really believe any "confession" where we know there are no limits to the interrogation and the accused has a target on their back? Just food for thought.

I know the Zhangs were disappointed in our system. Xialon's statement to the media after the penalty verdict was hard to stomach. I don't fault him for his thoughts. It was frustrating not getting the result they wanted. Getting 12 people to vote for the death penalty is near impossible in today's society. In discussions with the jurors (who, including the alternates, were 16-2 in favor of the death penalty), none of the evidence mattered. The two holdouts disliked the defense team, disliked the defendant, despised what he did, but they just couldn't vote for death in the moment. One of the holdouts decided they just couldn't do it, even if he deserved it, because he claimed he knew people who had been reformed in prison, and the other decided, belatedly, that they would only vote for the death penalty if there were proof of multiple murders. Anyone holding those views should have been weeded out during jury selection, if they had been honest about those feelings like they should have at the time. They indicated they could vote for death during jury selection without those caveats--whether they lied to us or not, I don't know. It's possible they did not lie about it -- after all, it's easy to say one can "vote for death," but the reality of doing so forces one to grapple with issues they never had to deal with before.
 
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I'm quite blown away by the fact that a front line FBI investigator is taking the time to answer all of our questions here. Such detailed and considerate answers too.

Thanks so much, Yeti!

Olivia - thanks for the message, I am happy to answer anything I can. I will say, however, that I don't work for the FBI. I work with them all the time, but I was not one of the investigators here, I was one of the prosecutors.
 
Thank you.

I recall the trial, not all the knives were sent to laboratory for testing.
FBI cases always seem to be really streamlined.

They worked tips.
I remember the Las Vegas mass murder investigation.
Also very streamlined and left so many questions unanswered, information seemingly disregarded, the killer had anosmia, had child *advertiser censored* on his telephone/computer/one of his many laptops.. no catharsis.
It makes me wonder how much budget affected YY's investigation.
Had local PD been given tons of resources and staff and full access to all fBI resources, would the outcome have been different?

In hindsight they say they believe the landfill story, yet nobody thought of it at the outset when a massive landfill search would not have been required, only a week or two, a short section would have needed searching...?

The U of I PD were really impressive, I thought.

How did they feel afterwards? Did they feel more could have been done to find her?

Finally, the defense people- how can their tactics be viewed as ethical or acceptable?

Really finally, what did his defense cost the country?

@kittythehare - There were no budgetary issues with how the investigation played out, other than the choice of not searching the landfill (which, admittedly, is a rather gaping hole). The FBI poured immense resources into this, as did the UIPD. Regarding the UIPD, they were extremely impressive. They did not ask the FBI to take over the case, they asked for their help and the FBI took it over from there. I think the UIPD would have preferred to continue as the lead agency, but they gladly accepted the help, and they continued to be involved. Many of the UIPD officers were critical in the investigation. Ezzard Hoskins was out tracking people down and getting leads that first night Yingying was reported missing. Kenny Costa and James Carter were critical in identifying the Astra and tying it to Christensen. Eric Stiverson played "bad cop" in that first interview with Christensen - and he's who shook Christensen's confidence and induced the mini-panic attack (which left little doubt Christensen was the guy). There were many other unsung "heroes" in putting the pieces together - for example, someone swabbed the baseball bat even though it was lacquered wood that often will not hold blood / DNA / etc. The odds of getting the DNA off that bat were pretty low, but the swabbing was perfect. That individual would have been someone with the Illinois State Police forensics. So this was far from just the FBI, and they would tell you that too - the UIPD, ISP, and other agencies were critical in the investigation.

As for thinking of the landfill possibility early on....let's just say it was pressed fairly early by some people (….still frustrated....), but not taken seriously because it was a hunch / intuition, rather than based on any lead or specific information. Regardless, anything beyond a month or so after the fact still would have been a massive undertaking. It's shocking how much trash is dumped in a short period of time, and they closed the particular cell in question not long after the events here.
 
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Another question for Cousin Yeti:

Not the original question I planned on involving some of the photos of his apartment, but another one that hasn't really been addressed yet.

In your opinion, what was it that got his lawyers to drop their mental health defense for the penalty phase of the trial?

They spent so much time and effort to extend the trial out by filing motions related to this, and then they just dropped it suddenly without warning. I seem to recall that they objected to some things that the DOJ mental health experts were expected to ask him, and then when they didn't get those things excluded, they bailed on the strategy. Were they basically afraid that Park Dietz and the other expert were going to obliterate the claims of their experts?

That had to be extremely frustrating and infuriating. IT seems like most of the continuances they got were related to preparing this -even getting more time when *they* were the ones who screwed up big time in trying to schedule another mental health expert- and they turn around and drop it completely.

I took notice when I found out you had Dietz as one of your mental health examiners. That told me you guys weren't messing around

@dm92 - I have been somewhat critical of the defense team in my posts. I have good relationships with two of the FPDs who I work with quite frequently, and I think highly of them as lawyers, so I don't want my criticism being mistaken for more than it is (mostly frustration). The reason I have been critical is because I feel like they (in particular the two attorneys from outside Illinois) played fast and loose with the rules. Some of the things they did...let's just say they run afoul of my personal honor code. Many of the things they did would have gotten the government attorneys fired for doing much less. That said, defense attorneys play an extremely important role in our justice system. They did their job here, and they got the result they hoped for, so I'm sure their client was happy. It just isn't how I practice law now, nor how I would do so if I were a defense attorney. A big part of the shenanigans involved the mental health defense. They flat told Judge Shadid they ignored his orders by telling their "expert" the orders (about scheduling) were unlikely to be enforced--that "lie," or whatever you want to characterize it as, bought them another continuance. It was quite stunning. Some judges would've taken them to task. I know the judges I clerked for would not have tolerated dishonesty / misleading the Court. Judge Shadid is a good judge (for many reasons) precisely because of his patience and thoughtfulness, and I think the defense attorneys here pushed him to the max at every opportunity (the biggest example being the fight over the unanimity jury instruction--we had argument after argument about that, and Judge Shadid caved literally minutes before he was going to instruct the jury--the statistics suggest that decided the death penalty in their favor).

I actually don't believe they ever intended to put on a mental health defense. Brendt Christensen was not mentally ill. He's a narcissistic sociopath. Park Dietz would have torn him to shreds. Everyone knew it. If they even hired an expert, which I'm not certain they did, they never intended to put the person on. It was just more money spent "being thorough" (i.e., racking up bills to support the narrative that the death penalty is "too expensive.").
 
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Hey Olivia - just a thought on this. I am a firm believer that our system is the greatest in the world at balancing personal freedoms / due process with public protection. I wouldn't do what I do if I didn't believe that. Even in our system, where we have tons of protections in place for the accused, we still get allegations of false confessions. If we believe even one of those allegations of coerced confessions, in a system where people aren't being tortured, just questioned, would we really believe any "confession" where we know there are no limits to the interrogation and the accused has a target on their back? Just food for thought.

I don't want to derail the thread with a debate on this issue, but the Chinese in this case wouldn't have been looking for a yes/no confession, since an uncoerced confession had already been obtained, plus DNA evidence.

They were seeking verifiable information about what BC did with the body. The worst case scenario would be that BC would repeatedly offer false information just to end the interrogation short-term, but after a few rounds of 'questioning' you could be fairly sure that the original version was true. No harm done.

I'm well aware that my views aren't for everyone on this and I'm familiar enough with the counter arguments. However, it'd be no violation of my sense of justice if one were to tickle BC's toes with a feather in order to find YingYing.
 
@CousinYeti

Having spent hundreds of hours amateur sleuthing on this case and feeling I knew all there was to know, very little, actually, I will always remember my reaction to his interview.
My first time seeing him, hearing him..
My whole body shook and shook and shook and I had difficulty breathing.
I'm not a shrinking violet and I have witnessed violence up close in the past but none of it ever affected me on the physical and possibly a deep primal level than Christensen.
When the therapist interviewed him, I felt it again, not as strong, but I felt I could 'feel' him lining her p as another potential victim, towards the end of the interview.. it seemed his entire participation was about tying her up in knots prior to going in for the kill, entirely predatory . I cannot even imagine a creature from the animal world that moves in that way and I have no idea whether the girl noticed it or not..

Did anybody else have feelings of strong revulsion in his presence?

I'm against the death penalty but when Christensen is reduced to his essence, the thought of quenching that essence permanently would not have perturbed me.
He regretted nothing and I doubt he ever will.
 

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