Deceased/Not Found IL - Yingying Zhang, 26, Urbana, 9 June 2017 #4 *Arrest*

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It really surprises me that according to the articles he did get her into his apartment to hold her there at least for a little while. That tells me that he was not worried about others living with him in the apartment catching him. So either he knew they would not be home or worse.


"was captured on audiotape explaining how he had kidnapped her and held her captive at his apartment."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...t-christensen-profile-met-20170707-story.html
 
IQuestion said:
CAPTAINKIRK4(You must be a distant relative of the one who lives near me, in Calif!) BBM Does RobAllPrk have a guard post at entry & picnic facilities? I can tell you have been thinking this out. But, I was wondering why you think he would suddenly be so clever as to "drive way out of town' OR even to another abandoned industrial post. I think he had a very short corridor of time, and I think the LAST thing he would do is bring attention to himself. If his life revolved around his "computer gaming", 2 hour morning workouts at the gym, driving to the campus, etc. it would be incredibly easy to know if he was gone for a long time....the FBI can figure that out just from his computer log ins. And tracking via cell phone towers & GPS in vehicle. (Which ultimately will prove his undoing, I believe. He lied about his location before, and then when presented with TrafficCamVideo, changed his story.)
 And even though there is a lot of traffic in town (going by your observations) it didn't stop him from taking a woman off the street, or others (possibly him) approaching women in broad day light.
Can you think of places, really close to town, that could fit a narrow time line? Can you tell me about the abandoned gas station just NW of the apartments? Are there cement bricks or pavers used to cover up the
openings of below ground fuel containers? Hmmm, and as far as "digging" I don't have any college students with shovels in their apts....but I guess he could have borrowed/purchased one? Nah, I feel he wouldn't risk doing anything out of town.
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I think he planned on her body never being recovered, he is well aware of sophisticated forensics which might identify his DNA. Local buildings imo are not going to be abandoned forever. Too risky. I would not have expected cameras off campus to catch my act, but I would during any dump excursion have my phone turned off just from.watching SVU. I do not think he is that dumb (but I hope he was). A dumpster as another poster suggested or outside city limits rural area at night make most sense to me.
 
Captkirk_4 said:
Perhaps she went willingly into his apartment with reservations and hesitation, but was too afraid of not being seen as polite. I actually got robbed moving into my dorm in Urbana when there was an adult black man lurking in the corridor watching us move in and my mom started throwing a very public loud, "Lock the doors" in front of him which I had intended to do, but she put me on the spot and I felt it would be too rude and racist to do it, so I didn't to be polite as I thought I would be insulting the man by doing so. Came back two minutes later and my stuff was gone along with the guy lurking in the hallway. Yingying could well have let her unwillingness to seem rude to overrule her instincts.

It's possible right up until the point he got her in his apartment the entire thing was a confidence game. If so, had she gone off running and screaming in the apartment parking lot what could they have charged him with? He could have simply said he was trying to pick up a girl.
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Re BBM

I had thought that too but I think she was in a hurry to go to her own meeting to meet with an apartment manager and was her whole reason she was waiting for a bus or something like that when he noticed her waiting near a street.

So if he had suggested having to stop at his own apartment I think she would have resisted. And that may be exactly what happened which caused him to begin to fight with her to physically restrain her. Which could be why he had to clean his vehicle on her side.
 
Skigirl said:
Yeah, departments have a lot of latitude regarding how grad students are classified and who is eligible for TAships. If he was a good teacher relative to some of the other grad students, they may have been happy to have his help. Regardless, he had income for a lot of his time in Champaign, whether it ended this past may or in 2016, and the couple's current income will not be adequate to pay for his defense.
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Teaching skills is all but irrelevant at a research university in terms of getting a job. For the most part, these schools need bodies. They don't have the people to staff the classes, and professor, who must spend time on research, have no incentive to engage in teaching more than they have to. So long as he was competent and no major problems with his teaching, he should have been able to pick up something. It may not be the stipend that ph students get but it potentially could have been more because he would have been possibly paid by the course. There may or may not be a limit on how many courses you can take on. I assume that it would very easy to find out what classes he was a TA for in 2016-2017.
 
sadsnorlax said:
I was thinking about the half-truth of telling LE that YZ panicked when he took a wrong turn and so he let her out.

It made me wonder, perhaps there's more truth to that even still, perhaps he did let her out somewhere, very far away, and after subjecting her to whatever he wanted to do to her, essentially left her for dead. Alive, but barely, or somewhere that would be fatal to escape from, a huge open space/rocky terrain/whatever jumped in his car and sped off (just like he did in the video, he put his pedal to the metal, I;m sure if there was no speed limit, that ****er would have driven off with her even faster!) leaving her.

That way he doesn't have to worry AS MUCH about a murder charge, and can sort of use the 'she panicked, I let her out' alibi, because it wouldn't really be too much of a jump (if you know what I mean.) He can be brazen and unshaken and go to a vigil because hey, all he did was drop her off somewhere, right?

On a different level: the audio recording - do you think that he confessed to more? IF he was telling someone wearing a wire, wouldn't they have pushed him to finish the story off? "What did you do with her in the end?" that seems the obvious question. Maybe that's when the threat came in. I don't know.
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That's why, without the body and evidence of strangulation, knife, etc. it may be hard to prove murder beyond a reasonable doubt. He conceivably could be guilty of attempted murder if he left her barely alive. Her never coming back infers murder but I think if they don't find the body there will be so many stories made up that it will likely be very distressing. I just fear some juror - it only takes one - could misunderstand reasonable doubt like in Casey Anthony and think whatever his story is is possible and thus acquit on reasonable doubt.
 
I don't think he received a salary as TA, but they receive funds on the project they research on. Couple of my daughter's TA said they depending their contract term, you can choose to get half of your tuition paid by UIUC or be paid by hour but pay your own tuition. Either way, his wife only makes $1800 per month(assumed that is gross income, net pay will be about $$1600), and they pay $900 for rent, $100 for utilities, $150 for other costs, only left them about $450 for food for both of them. They are just getting by every month. Will that be why he is in those "open relationships", either have the sugar mama pay for his spending or filming some *advertiser censored* movies for extra cash?
 
Hatfield said:
It really surprises me that according to the articles he did get her into his apartment to hold her there at least for a little while. That tells me that he was not worried about others living with him in the apartment catching him. So either he knew they would not be home or worse.


"was captured on audiotape explaining how he had kidnapped her and held her captive at his apartment."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...t-christensen-profile-met-20170707-story.html
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That's assuming that he didn't have the weekend to himself.

kcjpwinn said:
I don't think he received a salary as TA, but they receive funds on the project they research on. Couple of my daughter's TA said they depending their contract term, you can choose to get half of your tuition paid by UIUC or be paid by hour but pay your own tuition. Either way, his wife only makes $1800 per month(assumed that is gross income, net pay will be about $$1600), and they pay $900 for rent, $100 for utilities, $150 for other costs, only left them about $450 for food for both of them. They are just getting by every month. Will that be why he is in those "open relationships", either have the sugar mama pay for his spending or filming some *advertiser censored* movies for extra cash?
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So I've never heard of that. I'm faculty at a research university and got my PhD at an Ivy League. TA ships tend to cover all or part of tuition and with a stipend, particularly for PhD students. I don't know funding for MA students, though BC was in the PhD program until this past year
 
IQuestion said:
MrsObrien Hiya:seeya:..wanted to ask if in the "fake abduction scenarios" (oh brother:blushing:) do they take place on public roads, store parking lots, mall exits, etc. What happens to an innocent member of the public who "sees this occurring and thinks it is real"?? And SHE/ME uses her pepper spray on the guy? Obviously members of this group do more than just talk about it online, right?
Oh well, I worry about people using "on line sites" and then falling into addictions....it seems so many lose their moral compass and social filters after being exposed to too much of it. (Thinking of clients who have NEVER been to a race track or casino....and yet get addicted to on-line gambling. etc.) Regardless, I think the defense will blame it on computers, not on the actions of BC, alone.
(Right now, your work is one of the most read "items" in China.....go figure!)
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Doing fantasy abduction in public, where unknowing folks could see would violate the "consent" rules of the community as I understand it. That would be frowned upon.
 
IQuestion said:
CAPTAINKIRK4(You must be a distant relative of the one who lives near me, in Calif!) BBM Does RobAllPrk have a guard post at entry & picnic facilities? I can tell you have been thinking this out. But, I was wondering why you think he would suddenly be so clever as to "drive way out of town' OR even to another abandoned industrial post. I think he had a very short corridor of time, and I think the LAST thing he would do is bring attention to himself. If his life revolved around his "computer gaming", 2 hour morning workouts at the gym, driving to the campus, etc. it would be incredibly easy to know if he was gone for a long time....the FBI can figure that out just from his computer log ins. And tracking via cell phone towers & GPS in vehicle. (Which ultimately will prove his undoing, I believe. He lied about his location before, and then when presented with TrafficCamVideo, changed his story.)
 And even though there is a lot of traffic in town (going by your observations) it didn't stop him from taking a woman off the street, or others (possibly him) approaching women in broad day light.
Can you think of places, really close to town, that could fit a narrow time line? Can you tell me about the abandoned gas station just NW of the apartments? Are there cement bricks or pavers used to cover up the
openings of below ground fuel containers? Hmmm, and as far as "digging" I don't have any college students with shovels in their apts....but I guess he could have borrowed/purchased one? Nah, I feel he wouldn't risk doing anything out of town.
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Nope no guards or anything, and the south side of the park is quite deserted. I have no idea how long he had the apartment to himself, just Friday? All weekend? And that would give the timeframe for what happened. I can say she isn't in town, a body would smell and soon be discovered. All the spots people suggest are full of graffiti so you know teenagers party there at night. If he dumped her in town it was into a dumpster.
 
Webthrush said:
Not sure why we're even spending so much time on BC's monetary status, but since we are, I'll just say that good (and experienced) TAs can be hard to come by on short notice, so I would think he was definitely kept on stipend from the University until his May graduation, and then became unemployed. I don't imagine the couple lived for 6 mos. on the wife's salary alone.
And since folks are thinking up all sorts of wild scenarios, here's another one I'll throw out (which I DON'T believe): maybe he kidnapped YZ planning to ask for a ransom, but when he discovered her family was in China and not very wealthy the plan fell apart!
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BBM. Agreed, even though I know I have been one of the contributors to this :) My day job involves science policy and trying to teach people about how the academic system works, so my instincts kick in and I love teaching people how it works and all of the variation that occurs across the country's universities. (Said in my best science educator voice) I hope all of you have learned something about how universities and federally funded research work! :)

(I'll show myself out...)
 
Re: Kidnapping supplies- Chances are if BC has a history of practicing BDSM, he probably has no shortage of restraints already available at his apartment or in his car, depending on where he was using said supplies.

Hatfield said:
It really surprises me that according to the articles he did get her into his apartment to hold her there at least for a little while. That tells me that he was not worried about others living with him in the apartment catching him. So either he knew they would not be home or worse.


"was captured on audiotape explaining how he had kidnapped her and held her captive at his apartment."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...t-christensen-profile-met-20170707-story.html
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BBM- Speaking of half-truths, maybe he took her to his apartment complex, but didn't actually enter the building or his particular unit?

Swapping vehicles seems like it would be wise. He had just kidnapped someone in broad daylight and was caught on at least one camera. Staying in the same vehicle not knowing how quickly people would be looking for it seems silly. Of course, kidnapping someone in a not incredibly popular vehicle with a very distinctive feature in broad daylight also seems silly.

Also regarding the sightings in Bloomington. While I'm 99% positive it was mistaken identity and someone mentioned a very high white population (studies have shown it's much easier for someone to identify someone of their own race), I do find a couple of things interesting.

Specifically the timing of the sightings (well within that short window before BC was under surveillance, if I'm not mistaken) and she was trying to sell jewelry to make money (something BC might not have access to). Assuming he had limited or no cash and all other financial options would have been easy to trace (I'm still not sure if he's smart or an idiot), cash would be an easy way to get some gas money if he was planning a long trip. Taking 74 to Bloomington is a couple of hours and then it's a pretty straight shot north on 39 to 90 to Wisconsin. I travel 74 all the time for work and it's pretty quick driving, but I've only been on 39 once and if I recall, it's pretty desolate.

I'm only leaving the 1% open because I don't believe BC would just want to kidnap and kill YZ almost immediately.
 

I don’t think this has been posted here yet(?)… someone put up a 20-min. video on YouTube of some of the terrain near BC’s apt. complex on way to Kaufman Lake. Somewhat interesting.
This is just some individual searching, not LE.
[video=youtube;L6MSs8VsELo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6MSs8VsELo[/video]
 
Webthrush said:

I don’t think this has been posted here yet(?)… someone put up a 20-min. video on YouTube of some of the terrain near BC’s apt. complex on way to Kaufman Lake. Somewhat interesting.
This is just some individual searching, not LE.
[video=youtube;L6MSs8VsELo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6MSs8VsELo[/video]
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Wow, many thanks for sharing that!
 
As more and more of this story unfolds, I am not going to be surprised AT ALL to find out a long-standing *advertiser censored* addiction helped fuel this fantasy world of his.
 
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