Deceased/Not Found IL - Yingying Zhang, 26, Urbana, 9 June 2017 #6 *Arrest*

[dm92]

The article did not specify the number of vehicles/bedrooms/mobile phones etc, Chinese language is very different from English, you cannot tell whether it is plural or not from the word itself. So mobile phones in my translation means mobile phone or mobile phones, can be both.
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Thank you for reading my posts though

Yes, this is what I thought. Thanks.

Thanks for providing info that you do. There is a lot of info on this incident to be found in Chinese media that we might easily miss here, I am sure.....

 

[Shiressleuth]

Do you think he actually took her INTO the apartment or perhaps to one of the garages? Just curiosity on my part.

Yes it's possible but I thought it had been stated he carried her into the apartment (based on his taped vigil conversation I understand) ?

 

[Shiressleuth]

The 5 hour window.. 'investigators thought she was dead after 5 hours'
Could that be a result of his having put her somewhere unsustainable for life for longer than a few hours?
I'm thinking about those underground caves with the heating pipes etc again.. but there are possibly other possibilities.. like leaving her near where a high tide would come in after a period of a few hours..
What are the possibilities?

Too many. Wonder what he said about it on the tape?

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I posted a link with owner's details yesterday while we were discussing the photographs of the place.. it was before webthrush's links..
I am sure they would be obliging.. why not?

Are you suggesting contacting the owner of the building and asking them about its uses, operating and staff hours, and security?

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[trunkizback]

Are you suggesting contacting the owner of the building and asking them about its uses, operating and staff hours, and security?

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I'm going to address a few issues with my recent post about the old Johnson Ross plant. As I originally posted, I happened to be in Champaign recently and this whole case was on my mind. so I drove to BC's apartment to look at it. I knew it was on Springfield ave. For those of you not in our area ( or country even ) springfield ave is a very long street and actually runs all the way from Urbana all the way west out of town in Champaign. After I located BC's complex, I saw that it actually isn't off Springfield but rather Kenwood dr. Then after driving by the front of his complex, you just can; help but notice the plant. Look at webthrushes video. As you pull out of his apt. the plant is right in front of you.Since I worked there years ago , I knew of the hugeness and the odd layout. What I did not know at the time was that just to the other side of the plant is the gym he frequented. For him to either walk or drive to the gym he would be following along the complete west side of the plant. An entire city block. Then turn north and follow along the whole back side to get to the gym. This route is not a busy area, especially at night. I can easily imagine BC walking to the gym in good weather. Also as I stated in my original post, it does appear as if some of the office areas are being used. But if you look behind the plant there are out buildings that were used to store some of the large metal sheets we used in the construction of the batchers. Some are quite large, there are also smaller ones that held the air compressors and acytelene, O2, etc. As I drove by I could see that the out buildings were all boarded up and surrounded by high weeds. All I was trying to find out on here was whether anyone KNEW whether or not it had been searched. And if not, why? I can not find a posting that says it was searched. When I called to ask the FBI they couldn't/wouldn't say, But they did take the info down. To say that all this is : " rehashing covered ground" is immaterial to me. Cite information that tells that they searched it.
I'd also like to touch on a recent post that someone asked about the lakes in the town of Loda. The lakes in question are Bayles lake and Lake Iriquois. Both are tightly surrounded by houses and are gated communities with private security on site. It would be very difficult to access either lake.

 

[dm92]

OK, now I'm confused. I thought when Bruno left the case it was primarily because they were charging BC with murder. Now I'm hearing they haven't? and won't decide whether to do do until Feb 1st? Also is it for sure the the Zhaang family will be leaving here? My God, this whole thing has just made me ill.

Yes, they are leaving here sometime in November -for some reason, the 7th comes to mind. They of course will return immediately if there is a significant development (such as finding her, or a plea bargain), and will be back for the trial. Basically, it seems there are a number of factors driving this: 1) The police haven't developed any solid leads as to her whereabouts, so even though they are still searching, they now think that they won't find her unless Christensen talks, or through sheer luck, someone stumbles across something that leads to her. 2) They don't have a lot of money and do what searching they can, but with what the police are saying about the search and the long timeframe for the trial, they are just wasting money by staying here. Their living expenses will be lower being back in China. 3) Her mom's health is not good, and they think it will only be made worse by being here in the winter.

Feb 1 is the date by which the Feds will decide whether or not they will seek the death penalty.

 

[dm92]

so, back to where we were at..
What are the possibilities?

(SNIP)

He had to have stopped the car in order to immobilise her? Possibly dragged her out of it? Or does outdoor site refer to where he disposed of her?

I think there is no way it refers to where he disposed of her. They are saying they have no solid leads as to where he disposed of her, and don't think they will find her without a stroke of luck, or without Christensen finally talking......

 

[trunkizback]

I think there is no way it refers to where he disposed of her. They are saying they have no solid leads as to where he disposed of her, and don't think they will find her without a stroke of luck, or without Christensen finally talking......

Would everyone consider it rude if I had like 15 minutes with BC? you know, to maybe persuade him to tell?? HMmm

 

[Webthrush]

I'm going to address a few issues with my recent post about the old Johnson Ross plant. As I originally posted, I happened to be in Champaign recently and this whole case was on my mind. so I drove to BC's apartment to look at it. I knew it was on Springfield ave. For those of you not in our area ( or country even ) springfield ave is a very long street and actually runs all the way from Urbana all the way west out of town in Champaign. After I located BC's complex, I saw that it actually isn't off Springfield but rather Kenwood dr. Then after driving by the front of his complex, you just can; help but notice the plant. Look at webthrushes video. As you pull out of his apt. the plant is right in front of you.Since I worked there years ago , I knew of the hugeness and the odd layout. What I did not know at the time was that just to the other side of the plant is the gym he frequented. For him to either walk or drive to the gym he would be following along the complete west side of the plant. An entire city block. Then turn north and follow along the whole back side to get to the gym. This route is not a busy area, especially at night. I can easily imagine BC walking to the gym in good weather. Also as I stated in my original post, it does appear as if some of the office areas are being used. But if you look behind the plant there are out buildings that were used to store some of the large metal sheets we used in the construction of the batchers. Some are quite large, there are also smaller ones that held the air compressors and acytelene, O2, etc. As I drove by I could see that the out buildings were all boarded up and surrounded by high weeds. All I was trying to find out on here was whether anyone KNEW whether or not it had been searched. And if not, why? I can not find a posting that says it was searched. When I called to ask the FBI they couldn't/wouldn't say, But they did take the info down. To say that all this is : " rehashing covered ground" is immaterial to me. Cite information that tells that they searched it.
I'd also like to touch on a recent post that someone asked about the lakes in the town of Loda. The lakes in question are Bayles lake and Lake Iriquois. Both are tightly surrounded by houses and are gated communities with private security on site. It would be very difficult to access either lake.

BBM
First, to give credit where due, I want to make clear the videos I posted earlier came from “LoremIpsum” who is a Champaign local and posted many very helpful posts earlier on. No, we don’t officially know of any searches conducted at the plant, but given its proximity I just have to believe once the police had BC under surveillance (which was early on) they did surveil and search the plant (JMO). Again, I’m of the opinion that LE knows more or less what happened to YZ and IF the plant was involved they already know that, but it’s not info that can be released prior to trial.
I think whoever said we were “rehashing covered ground” was simply expressing the frustration that we’ve discussed this at some length before and it went nowhere… and it’s not likely to go somewhere this time (but I don’t want to discourage locals who have the time/ability to pursue it & I agree the plant has a foreboding, suspicious vibe to it! ). This whole exasperating case just seems to be going in circles though, unless some really solid new info is disclosed.

 

[yw0403]

It’s not a credible source. I’m speaking as a journalist of 20-plus years. There are no original sources in that story, no linked sources, and major facts aren’t attributed. It’s a (poorly done, journalistically, tbh) blog-style rewrite from other stories with unsubstantiated details added that aren’t by corroborated in other msm news reports or sources. It doesn’t pass the sniff test.

imeo

[emoji202]MOO

Do you mean the information given by Zhidong Wang and the national investigator Shiquan Liu is not credible or the news report (http://www.oeeee.com/mp/a/BAAFRD00002017103156639.html) is not credible? If you mean latter, well the news report was issued by Southern Metropolitan Daily, which is the university’s officially designated media to broadcast this conference, the conference was organized by China’s elite university Peking University at Beijing, it is the equivalent of harvard or Yale in China. Some quotes from the university’s website, please see the bold part (http://stl.pku.edu.cn/news-and-even...sappearance-of-pkusz-graduate-zhang-yingying/)

The panel of experts invited to discuss the case surrounding Zhang Yingying’s disappearance included Wang Zhidong, a senior lawyer representing Zhang Yingying’s family, and Dr. Liu Shiquan, a noted forensic scientist. Both guests shared their findings before a standing-room only audience of students and professors from STL and the entire PKUSZ community, as well as several practicing lawyers and interested members of the public. The program was organized and moderated by STL Distinguished Professor from Practice, Dr. Thomas Yunlong Man, a scholar of comparative evidence. The event was broadcast live by Southern Metropolitan Daily, a Shenzhen-based news outlet.

And regarding the family attorney Zhidong Wang, what he said and predicted about the case have been proved to be correct and accurate since I followed this case in June. Remember the information he told Chinese media about the withdrawal of BC’s previous legal team the Brunos? (see my posts#251 and#248 on page 17) He revealed it as early as on September 1, and it first appeared on American media on Sep 6, almost one week later.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I'm going to address a few issues with my recent post about the old Johnson Ross plant. As I originally posted, I happened to be in Champaign recently and this whole case was on my mind. so I drove to BC's apartment to look at it. I knew it was on Springfield ave. For those of you not in our area ( or country even ) springfield ave is a very long street and actually runs all the way from Urbana all the way west out of town in Champaign. After I located BC's complex, I saw that it actually isn't off Springfield but rather Kenwood dr. Then after driving by the front of his complex, you just can; help but notice the plant. Look at webthrushes video. As you pull out of his apt. the plant is right in front of you.Since I worked there years ago , I knew of the hugeness and the odd layout. What I did not know at the time was that just to the other side of the plant is the gym he frequented. For him to either walk or drive to the gym he would be following along the complete west side of the plant. An entire city block. Then turn north and follow along the whole back side to get to the gym. This route is not a busy area, especially at night. I can easily imagine BC walking to the gym in good weather. Also as I stated in my original post, it does appear as if some of the office areas are being used. But if you look behind the plant there are out buildings that were used to store some of the large metal sheets we used in the construction of the batchers. Some are quite large, there are also smaller ones that held the air compressors and acytelene, O2, etc. As I drove by I could see that the out buildings were all boarded up and surrounded by high weeds. All I was trying to find out on here was whether anyone KNEW whether or not it had been searched. And if not, why? I can not find a posting that says it was searched. When I called to ask the FBI they couldn't/wouldn't say, But they did take the info down. To say that all this is : " rehashing covered ground" is immaterial to me. Cite information that tells that they searched it.
I'd also like to touch on a recent post that someone asked about the lakes in the town of Loda. The lakes in question are Bayles lake and Lake Iriquois. Both are tightly surrounded by houses and are gated communities with private security on site. It would be very difficult to access either lake.

I don't believe I ever indicated that you were rehashing covered ground. I have so far found your posts informative. My question was about another's post.

On the issue of whether or not any of us knows if it was searched - unfortunately, I don't think we have a good grasp on what has been searched where. I mentioned a ways back, I think, that this feels like a stark contrast to other cases. Consider the Sherin Mathews missing case. The media followed LE around, even by air, as they were searching. We had a lot of details about where they were searching. Here, it appears we have no information from the media or LE about it, and have resorted to asking locals on the thread what they might have witnessed in terms of searches. Unfortunately, I don't think they witnessed much either. A couple saw planes and helicopters in the area in July, but that's also the prime time for crop dusting, so we don't even know for sure if what they noticed was related to searches or just regular agricultural activity.

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[Shiressleuth]

I'm going to address a few issues with my recent post about the old Johnson Ross plant. As I originally posted, I happened to be in Champaign recently and this whole case was on my mind. so I drove to BC's apartment to look at it. I knew it was on Springfield ave. For those of you not in our area ( or country even ) springfield ave is a very long street and actually runs all the way from Urbana all the way west out of town in Champaign. After I located BC's complex, I saw that it actually isn't off Springfield but rather Kenwood dr. Then after driving by the front of his complex, you just can; help but notice the plant. Look at webthrushes video. As you pull out of his apt. the plant is right in front of you.Since I worked there years ago , I knew of the hugeness and the odd layout. What I did not know at the time was that just to the other side of the plant is the gym he frequented. For him to either walk or drive to the gym he would be following along the complete west side of the plant. An entire city block. Then turn north and follow along the whole back side to get to the gym. This route is not a busy area, especially at night. I can easily imagine BC walking to the gym in good weather. Also as I stated in my original post, it does appear as if some of the office areas are being used. But if you look behind the plant there are out buildings that were used to store some of the large metal sheets we used in the construction of the batchers. Some are quite large, there are also smaller ones that held the air compressors and acytelene, O2, etc. As I drove by I could see that the out buildings were all boarded up and surrounded by high weeds. All I was trying to find out on here was whether anyone KNEW whether or not it had been searched. And if not, why? I can not find a posting that says it was searched. When I called to ask the FBI they couldn't/wouldn't say, But they did take the info down. To say that all this is : " rehashing covered ground" is immaterial to me. Cite information that tells that they searched it.
I'd also like to touch on a recent post that someone asked about the lakes in the town of Loda. The lakes in question are Bayles lake and Lake Iriquois. Both are tightly surrounded by houses and are gated communities with private security on site. It would be very difficult to access either lake.

Thankyou for your response. I agree and don't care if it is rehashing either and as we don't know where has been searched, how can it be rehashing anyway?

Is there no public parking or trails or paths by those lakes? They are enormous and fed by what look to be large rivers. I am just looking at the Kim Wall thread (Swedish journalist who was killed and dismembered on a submmarine in Copenhagen harbour) where the killer cut off her limbs and head and weighted the torso so it would not float. That is the sort of inhuman thing I could imagine BC doing.
AJMO.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Would everyone consider it rude if I had like 15 minutes with BC? you know, to maybe persuade him to tell?? HMmm

Hmmmm :thinking: trouble is he'd probably enjoy it.

 

[dm92]

The reason I think he took her to the apartment straightaway is because her phone pinged at the terminal at 02.38 p.m. So 10-20 minutes to get her to the apartment and then back out to car to retrieve back pack and phone but not soon enough to prevent that ping. He may actually have heard it go off and then destroyed it. He may then have thought " oh ***** my phone " and removed his chip from his phone at that point. MOO.

This sounds very plausible. Only thing I would say is that she only needs to be somewhere within the radius of that tower at 2:38, and there are plenty of wooded areas/parks that would be more or less dead at 2:38 PM on a Friday afternoon that would be in within its coverage area. Not sure what the average radius of coverage for a cell phone tower is, but for some reason ~30 miles comes to mind. My guess is that he quickly incapacitated her, then took her somewhere out of the way to bind her and conceal her in a big bag of some kind so he could get her into his apartment without her being seen. At 2:38, her phone chimed when she received that text message, and he shut it off and disposed of it. Then proceeded to take her back to his apartment. If they could get GPS data for that ping from her phone and it was at an outdoor location, that could explain the "outdoor site" listed by the Chinese investigator.

There are so many possible scenarios. Too many to count. One way or another, she ended up at his apartment and resisted him there. I think she ended up at the apartment fairly early, and I don't think she left it alive. There are other possibilities, such as he tricked her into going to his apartment willingly, then when she realized what he was going to do, she fought and resisted, and then took her somewhere to torture and kill her, but I don't think so. First, she disappears from view in the passenger seat rapidly (within 15 seconds, if the comment of the Chinese investigator is true), suggesting rapid incapacitation of some kind. Second, she was known to be punctual and was already late for an appointment, and looking at being even MORE late than she originally communicated. I seriously doubt he could have convinced her to blow off the appointment. Third, someone could see her with him entering the apartment. If she is subsequently reported missing, that someone who saw them might report it to police. Finally, if he takes her somewhere like a secluded park, there is always the chance he could be interrupted by someone out hiking, or kids out messing around. At his apartment, he is in complete control and knows he won't be disturbed or interrupted.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Do you mean the information given by Zhidong Wang and the national investigator Shiquan Liu is not credible or the news report (http://www.oeeee.com/mp/a/BAAFRD00002017103156639.html) is not credible? If you mean latter, well the news report was issued by Southern Metropolitan Daily, which is the university’s officially designated media to broadcast this conference, the conference was organized by China’s elite university Peking University at Beijing, it is the equivalent of harvard or Yale in China. Some quotes from the university’s website, please see the bold part (http://stl.pku.edu.cn/news-and-even...sappearance-of-pkusz-graduate-zhang-yingying/)

The panel of experts invited to discuss the case surrounding Zhang Yingying’s disappearance included Wang Zhidong, a senior lawyer representing Zhang Yingying’s family, and Dr. Liu Shiquan, a noted forensic scientist. Both guests shared their findings before a standing-room only audience of students and professors from STL and the entire PKUSZ community, as well as several practicing lawyers and interested members of the public. The program was organized and moderated by STL Distinguished Professor from Practice, Dr. Thomas Yunlong Man, a scholar of comparative evidence. The event was broadcast live by Southern Metropolitan Daily, a Shenzhen-based news outlet.

And regarding the family attorney Zhidong Wang, what he said and predicted about the case have been proved to be correct and accurate since I followed this case in June. Remember the information he told Chinese media about the withdrawal of BC’s previous legal team the Brunos? (see my posts#251 and#248 on page 17) He revealed it as early as on September 1, and it first appeared on American media on Sep 6, almost one week later.

We really appreciate your links - mods have allowed them so they are official. It is good to have confirmation from more than one source if it is not coming from LE. It would be good therefore to see LE issue statements and to see US Media confirm the info.

 

[dm92]

Hmmmm :thinking: trouble is he'd probably enjoy it.

Naaaah. From his profiles, he enjoys giving, not receiving. Take the 15 minutes. In fact, make it 45. Just to be extra sure......

 

[Calzone]

And regarding the family attorney Zhidong Wang, what he said and predicted about the case have been proved to be correct and accurate since I followed this case in June. Remember the information he told Chinese media about the withdrawal of BC’s previous legal team the Brunos? (see my posts#251 and#248 on page 17) He revealed it as early as on September 1, and it first appeared on American media on Sep 6, almost one week later.

<modsnip> I knew the Bruno's weren't going last long on this case as soon as it was announced they would take it. Tom got his boys some national attention. Successful case. Time to go back to traffic court and real estate.

 

[dm92]

...... No, we don&#8217;t officially know of any searches conducted at the plant, but given its proximity I just have to believe once the police had BC under surveillance (which was early on) they did surveil and search the plant

This. I know from other locals that they had divers searching Kaufmann lake (a lake a couple blocks down and across Springfield from his complex) as many as three separate times while he was under surveillance. Given the proximity of the plant and its state of usage, I cannot imagine that they did not search through it. Also, it seems too obvious a place for him to stash her, and if he walked by it frequently, he certainly could see activity there from time to time. That would probably also make him shy away from trying place her there.

Again, I&#8217;m of the opinion that LE knows more or less what happened to YZ and I

F the plant was involved they already know that, but it&#8217;s not info that can be released prior to trial.

This also. He was smart and planned, but he wasn't perfect in his planning. He made some mistakes in planning/execution, fell for some of the FBI's tricks, and couldn't keep his mouth shut. They had enough to arrest him for kidnapping on the 30th of June (and possibly earlier, but were watching him to see if he would lead them to her) and to indict him for it by the 12th of July. From what info they had then, they were all but certain she was dead, but needed to develop more lines of evidence to confirm it in the absence of her body. After ~2 more months of investigation, they had all they needed to upgrade the charge.

Unfortunately, he is intelligent, and it may be that his method of disposing of her was the best planned-out and most well-executed part of his plan. An especially cruel twist of fate for the Zhang family in an already terrible nightmare........

 

[Calzone]

I don't believe I ever indicated that you were rehashing covered ground. I have so far found your posts informative. My question was about another's post.

On the issue of whether or not any of us knows if it was searched - unfortunately, I don't think we have a good grasp on what has been searched where. I mentioned a ways back, I think, that this feels like a stark contrast to other cases. Consider the Sherin Mathews missing case. The media followed LE around, even by air, as they were searching. We had a lot of details about where they were searching. Here, it appears we have no information from the media or LE about it, and have resorted to asking locals on the thread what they might have witnessed in terms of searches. Unfortunately, I don't think they witnessed much either. A couple saw planes and helicopters in the area in July, but that's also the prime time for crop dusting, so we don't even know for sure if what they noticed was related to searches or just regular agricultural activity.

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As a local. There is NO WAY any sort of comprehensive search of any of Champaign County could have been conducted without people knowing about it. Living here, I am VERY confident that LE has not conducted a search. <modsnip>

 

[Shiressleuth]

As a local. There is NO WAY any sort of comprehensive search of any of Champaign County could have been conducted without people knowing about it. Living here, I am VERY confident that LE has not conducted a search. <modsnip>

So it wouldn't be rehashing if that plant or anywhere else were searched It seems, imo. <modsnip>