It IS weird. And for DC to say today on that podcast that it wasn’t a mistake but strategy…..WTAF? He must think we are all stupid with short-term memory loss and no access to the internet.
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If the describing witness told him he knew the eyes weren’t blue because his own eyes are blue.
As am I. Please don’t let this crazy stuff muck up the case. I really think it might.
Jmo, but other than that they are both hominids, I don’t see it. YBG looks like Justin Timberlake to me.
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eye sockets and nose are spot on
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I think there's a lot about the case that we will never understand. MOO
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Really? Sounds like probable cause was weak in that case. A murder trial that hinges on a sketch of any kind seems very odd to me. After all, sketches are extremely fallible representations made from observations & recollections of lay observers.
Now if the video Libby took was better & was found to raise reasonable doubt in some minds, I could find that somewhat reasonable.
Jurors might not even be following the judge's instructions properly if a sketch makes that much difference. Time for a mistrial to be called if evidence is that weak.
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Sorry if this has already been cleared up but I keep seeing suggestions that RA himself was the "witness" for the younger looking sketch. Is that just speculation because the sketch looks nothing like him?
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In my profession I work with photo editing software every day, all day long. Even if I tweak here and there, remove the hat, add a goatee, etc., I cannot make RA's facial features line up with the younger sketch. And I've tried, believe me, hoping to see what others see. Part of it I believe is that the sketch is of a man no older than late 20's where RA (at the time of the murders) was mid 40's. Time and gravity are no one's friend, and they both show in these side by sides. I also realize that another professional editor might be able to tweak it to fit, but, I'm unable to do that.
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IMO the sketches are irrelevant but I understand why many are concerned about this. If they had hard evidence to eventually acquire the search warrant and subsequently arrest RA on that search and what evidence it led them to then that is beneficial for the prosecution. Hoping we learn something more 11/22 at no risk to the Prosecution’s case.
I am a huge supporter of LE and I am ashamed to say previously that I thought all these guys had dropped the ball. I previously wanted a spokesperson who didn’t fail in grammar and other ways and I believe the DA in this case is that person and will ultimately receive justice for both Libby and Abby. It will be interesting to see how this story eventually unfolds regardless of when.
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I’m not worried about the sketches. There is no reason to think either of the sketches depict BG/RA. I think it’s just as likely that the sketches are of other people all together and not the killer. This explains why the sketches look nothing alike and look nothing like RA. I don’t think this will hurt the prosecution.
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"Forensic sketch artists work with police to interview victims or witnesses of crimes in order to recreate a semi-realistic drawing that reflects the image of the perpetrator to the best of the witness’s memory. Forensic sketch artists should be able to create these drawings from only a description, and must be able to extrapolate from what is given.
The difficulty in the art of forensic sketching is that much of it relies on the witness. The artist must be able to relate with this person, who may be distraught at what they have witnessed, and find a way to interview them and interpret their descriptions. In addition, witness testimony is notoriously unreliable, as memory in a stressful situation is not very accurate. Witnesses may believe they saw things that they did not, or some similar situation, which can lead to sketches that do not accurately reflect the perpetrator."
^^^My emphasis added. It is what is it and it wasn't as bad as Bundy's. RA's sketches remind me of Berkowitz's. In a weird, warped kind of way, maybe you can kinda see it...Especially if you put yourself in the mind of the witness doing this high-stakes, high-pressure job for the police and the victims, so it is what it is...
"Forensic sketch artists work with police to interview victims or witnesses of crimes in order to recreate a semi-realistic drawing that reflects the image of the perpetrator to the best of the witness’s memory. Forensic sketch artists should be able to create these drawings from only a description, and must be able to extrapolate from what is given.
The difficulty in the art of forensic sketching is that much of it relies on the witness. The artist must be able to relate with this person, who may be distraught at what they have witnessed, and find a way to interview them and interpret their descriptions. In addition, witness testimony is notoriously unreliable, as memory in a stressful situation is not very accurate. Witnesses may believe they saw things that they did not, or some similar situation, which can lead to sketches that do not accurately reflect the perpetrator."
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Forensic sketch artists work with police to interview victims or witnesses of crimes in order to recreate a semi-realistic drawing that reflects the image of the perpetrator to the best of the witness’s memory. Forensic sketch artists should be able to create these drawings from only a...
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^^^My emphasis added. It is what is it and it wasn't as bad as Bundy's. RA's sketches remind me of Berkowitz's. In a weird, warped kind of way, maybe you can kinda see it...Especially if you put yourself in the mind of the witness doing this high-stakes, high-pressure job for the police and the victims, so it is what it is...
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This is a Robert Ives interview from about 2 years ago.
At about 12:30 into it, Ives talks about evidence and trials. While something might be deemed important to the prosecutor and LE, the jurors might focus on something else they didn't expect.
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I’m worried about this too. Actually I’m worried that the CO may also have been a personal acquaintance or friend of RA’s. Which may have entirely skewed the context of the report.
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My issue with the sketches isn’t so much their actual likeness to RA or whomever. It is LE contradicting and ambiguously “updating”….Why not just say the sketches are crap and we are moving on from them?
“This is the guy- no wait- ignore that one- forget about it. We have this new one. Yeah. This is the guy. Oh. Well, it’s kinda both a them guys. Just squint.”
Feeling not super confident about DC rn.
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This BG case is such a unique one. We had the video so the look of the killer became forefront. We had a PC where the new sketch was a grand reveal so it became really important compared to other cases. It was the face of the case! The feature of missing page. Also the new sketch had a totally different age than the old sketch. But then the arrested man looks like the first sketch in age...it really does lead to more interest in the sketches then normal! Now that RA is arrested sketches are less important, but combined with the "forgotten" statement of the conservation officer and "unintentional mistakes" with the A shots profile...it really does lead one to wonder what happened behind the scenes! I blurted out a lot tonight stream of thought style, but I don't want to be critical of LE and I think Carter really dedicated himself to this case.
This BG case is such a unique one. We had the video so the look of the killer became forefront. We had a PC where the new sketch was a grand reveal so it became really important compared to other cases. It was the face of the case! The feature of missing page. Also the new sketch had a totally different age than the old sketch. But then the arrested man looks like the first sketch in age...it really does lead to more interest in the sketches then normal! Now that RA is arrested sketches are less important, but combined with the "forgotten" statement of the conservation officer and "unintentional mistakes" with the A shots profile...it really does lead one to wonder what happened behind the scenes! I blurted out a lot tonight stream of thought style, but I don't want to be critical of LE and I think Carter really dedicated himself to this case.
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I think that unless the PCA reveals something super concrete, RA’s defense team is going to destroy the prosecution. And I think RA really is the guy, FWIW.
I agree with you mostly. I do think DC dedicated himself to the case. I just think there were way too many mistakes made for this investigation to be taken seriously under the scrutiny of a murder trial. MOO
I’ve considered maybe even a hunting buddy. Hate that…
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