Found Deceased IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #158

[Marzipan]

I wonder if he just ultimately had been waiting to be caught?

The fact that he agreed to talk to LE, and essentially admitted it was him in the video is pretty crazy.

I don’t know that essentially is enough. I want to know, and I am a broken record on this, if he clearly admits it IS him in the video. Did they clearly show him the video and ask IS THIS YOU? and what was his answer? I’m going to put myself on a time-out now before I repeat my same posts again and yet again.
But, oh, shoe prints is one of the other things I get stuck on and I sure hope they have a match.

 

[SMK777]

Attaching for anyone who wants to read it here / has any issues reading it on any of the news sites. This is just the PCA.

Also - am I crazy or am I not really saying this "other person involved possibly" that we were told about in the latest hearing? Am I missing that somewhere in the PCA?

There’s not a single hint of “another person involved” in the PCA. Why did the prosecution say that? Even RA’s defense attorneys said, That was news to us.

 

[Le Singe]

Can he be so stupid that he thought by admitting to seeing the 3 girls - they gave him credibility

i.e they place him innocently on the trail (who would then go on to do a bad double murder!!)

So he went and admitted that in '17 realising they might ID him? Then doubled down on it in '22 including the clothes?

I suspect LE tripped him up there - maybe they suggested the girls reported the clothes, (but were actually inconsistent)

But I still cannot for the life of me understand why you would admit to wearing the exact clothes of Bridge Guy unless you wanted to get caught

I'm not as swayed by the clothes they are completely generic clothes basically the winter version of jeans and a tee shirt. I think in '22 his problem was he didn't know what evidence they did and didn't have so he didn't know what to say.

 

[GatorFL]

So, for over 5 years we had a suspect with reddish-brown hair. For 3 years we had a suspect who looks young for his age, 20 - 40 years old. We have a witness saying there was a guy dressed all in black. I believe RA was there alone that day, but this all needs explaining at trial, hopefully.

But ISP came out and said there was someone else involved. Lots we don't know. I'm interested to see what else comes out.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Wondering about the timeframe here: RA admits to being there from 1:30 to 3:30 <although nobody else saw him after 2:13>

We know A & L were dropped of around 1:45. the video shows RA on the bridge behind them at 2:13, then "Guys, down the hill".

So did he spend approx an hour and a half at the scene? From the PCA:

“Investigators spoke with ___, who stated that she was traveling East on 300 North on February 13th, 2017 and observed a male subject walking West, on the North side of 300 North, away from the Manon High Bridge. _____ advised that the male subject was wearing a blue colored jacket and bluejeans and was muddy and bloody. She further stated, that it appeared he had gotten into a fight. Investigators were able to determine from watching the video from the Hoosier Harvestore that unnamed female witness was traveling on CR 300 North at approximately 3:57pm.”

So now we know how he walked out, but what in the world happened during all that time? I really don't want to know the answer.

MOO

 

[arielilane]

I believe they have their man but I still can’t wrap my head around why. A man married for 30 + years and had his daughter.


Plus the resemblance to Libby also adds a whole other ick to such a horrific crime.


I also don’t understand how LE screwed this up so badly. They had a sketch , video and Audio and the man admitted to be around when the crimes were committed. He literally placed himself there and they did nothing with that information for years.


MOO

Look at Dennis Radar (I refuse to call him by the name he gave to himself). You can't explain a sick, sick mind. Supposedly a family man, and I guess he was according to his daughter. I feel bad for her. IMO

 

[Ravenmoon]

Link to the unsealed Probable Cause Affidavit for the new thread:

Judge issues gag order following release of redacted court docs in arrest of Richard Allen for Delphi murders

The documents detail what led to a murder charge against Richard Allen in the killings of Libby German and Abby Williams.

www.wthr.com

Please tell us how you feel about the strength of this PCA!

 

[asyousay]

Interesting that past reports, e.g. the RL PCA and KG's statements are that the girls were dropped off at "approximately 1:00pm." IIRC there were varying reports that the pickup time was supposed to be either 3pm or 4pm. Today's released RA PCA specifically states the girls were dropped off at 1:49 pm which is quite a bit different than 1:00pm when considering the pickup time could've been 3:00 - not really much time to hike, and certainly not much time to hike to the south end of High Bridge AND meet up with someone, then hike back.

Also it appears prior misinformation that RA's 2017 statement (to the CO?) that he was on the trails but didn't see anyone. Today's PCA says RA's 2017 interview reported seeing 3 females at the Freedom Bridge prior to walking to the High Bridge. Same PCA says RA's 2022 interview reported only seeing juvenile females east of the Freedom Bridge then he went towards the High Bridge - saw no one else...He may have stated directly or it was inferred by lack of specific mention that he didn't see anyone else while he was specifically on the High Bridge. As others have mentioned, it seems odd whether a pre-plan to kill or stumble on opportunity that he bypassed these 3 juvenile girls when it was no sure thing he'd encounter any similar victims later - unless he for sure knew there were others coming to the High Bridge at a later time.

Maybe he didn’t set out with the intention to kill that day. Let’s be honest he would be highly stupid if he had planned this.


The entire thing to me seems impulsive and not thought out at all.


I know he had a gun and a knife but then this is America so I highly doubt he is alone in carrying such items on his person.


It wasn’t a disguise if his wife knew he had an identical jacket to the one bridge man had.


Imo

 

[girlhasnoname]

There’s not a single hint of “another person involved” in the PCA. Why did the prosecution say that? Even RA’s defense attorneys said, That was news to us.

At this time. MOO

 

[Le Singe]

Wondering about the timeframe here: RA admits to being there from 1:30 to 3:30 <although nobody else saw him after 2:13>

We know A & L were dropped of around 1:45. the video shows RA on the bridge behind them at 2:13, then "Guys, down the hill".

So did he spend approx an hour and a half at the scene? From the PCA:

“Investigators spoke with ___, who stated that she was traveling East on 300 North on February 13th, 2017 and observed a male subject walking West, on the North side of 300 North, away from the Manon High Bridge. _____ advised that the male subject was wearing a blue colored jacket and bluejeans and was muddy and bloody. She further stated, that it appeared he had gotten into a fight. Investigators were able to determine from watching the video from the Hoosier Harvestore that unnamed female witness was traveling on CR 300 North at approximately 3:57pm.”

So now we know how he walked out, but what in the world happened during all that time? I really don't want to know the answer.

MOO

my guess would be yes. I don't think any of us want to think too deeply on what happened in that time frame

 

[WildHuncher]

Things the document reveals or confirms:

1) The PCA makes no reference at all to the Klines or catfishing.

2) The garments found in Deer Creek by the crime scene search were from one or both of the girls.

3) If there was ever a gun in the Wabash River, it isn't RA's Sig Sauer. There's nothing we know so far that calls for a second gun. (There may still be a need for a big knife.)

4) RA's vehicle was almost certainly parked at the former CPS building.

5) A man resembling RA was seen walking toward the MHB shortly before the murderer met the girls. (2:13)

6) One of the victims is heard on audio mentioning seeing a gun.

7) A man resembling RA was seen walking along a road between the Monon High Bridge and the place RA's car was parked. That man looked like he had been in a fight and had muddy, bloody clothing. This around 4PM on the day of the murders.

8) RA's Sig Sauer produced the same extraction marks on a test round as the marks on an unfired round at the crime scene. RA says he never knew RL or visited his property, nor did he ever lend out that firearm. (I'd hate to have to explain that innocently.)

There could be more, but that's what jumps out at me for now.

 

[minazoe]

Look at Dennis Radar (I refuse to call him by the name he gave to himself). You can't explain a sick, sick mind. Supposedly a family man, and I guess he was according to his daughter. I feel bad for her. IMO

I hate Dennis.

 

[MTW2011]

There’s not a single hint of “another person involved” in the PCA. Why did the prosecution say that? Even RA’s defense attorneys said, That was news to us.

Right. So the Defense was actually genuinely surprised at the statement. We don’t know - I don’t know - what specifically prosecution said, but it would appear at the least he misrepresented the PCA to the Court, and at worst lied under oath about its contents….which seems extremely foolish when you know the Judge literally has the document herself. I don’t even know what to think.
(If anyone has a quote from what the State specifically said about another person concern it would be great)

 

[Colorado303]

The only possible other person involved that might cause the sealing would be the dude wearing black. Wonder if we’ll see a second arrest warrant soon. Do they even have any idea who he is?

 

[mrjitty]

I don’t know that essentially is enough. I want to know, and I am a broken record on this, if he clearly admits it IS him in the video. Did they clearly show him the video and ask IS THIS YOU? and what was his answer? I’m going to put myself on a time-out now before I repeat my same posts again and yet again.
But, oh, shoe prints is one of the other things I get stuck on and I sure hope they have a match.

Admitting you were wearing the same clothes as the perp in the video is a pretty devastating admission.

 

[MinnyPin]

I was confused about the 2 different descriptions of clothing… one description said all in black: black jeans, black boots, black hoodie. The other was described as in blue jeans, lighter jacket.

Is this why they think possibly more than one suspect?

 

[Le Singe]

Things the document reveals or confirms:

1) The PCA makes no reference at all to the Klines or catfishing.

2) The garments found in Deer Creek by the crime scene search were from one or both of the girls.

3) If there was ever a gun in the Wabash River, it isn't RA's Sig Sauer. There's nothing we know so far that calls for a second gun. (There may still be a need for a big knife.)

4) RA's vehicle was almost certainly parked at the former CPS building.

5) A man resembling RA was seen walking toward the MHB shortly before the murderer met the girls. (2:13)

6) One of the victims is heard on audio mentioning seeing a gun.

7) A man resembling RA was seen walking along a road between the Monon High Bridge and the place RA's car was parked. That man looked like he had been in a fight and had muddy, bloody clothing. This around 4PM on the day of the murders.

6) RA's Sig Sauer produced the same extraction marks on a test round as the marks on an unfired round at the crime scene. RA says he never knew RL or visited his property, nor did he ever lend out that firearm. (I'd hate to have to explain that innocently.)

There could be more, but that's what jumps out at me for now.

this is a good summary!

 

[arielilane]

The probable cause affidavit says Allen was on the Monon High Bridge Trail between 1:30 and 3:30 p.m. on Feb. 13, 2017 — the day the girls disappeared.
The document also says Allen is the man seen on previously released videos of a suspect on the trail, who directed the girls to go "down the hill."

Judge issues gag order following release of redacted court docs in arrest of Richard Allen for Delphi murders

The documents detail what led to a murder charge against Richard Allen in the killings of Libby German and Abby Williams.

www.wthr.com

 

[TL4S]

Wondering about the timeframe here: RA admits to being there from 1:30 to 3:30 <although nobody else saw him after 2:13>

We know A & L were dropped of around 1:45. the video shows RA on the bridge behind them at 2:13, then "Guys, down the hill".

So did he spend approx an hour and a half at the scene? From the PCA:

“Investigators spoke with ___, who stated that she was traveling East on 300 North on February 13th, 2017 and observed a male subject walking West, on the North side of 300 North, away from the Manon High Bridge. _____ advised that the male subject was wearing a blue colored jacket and bluejeans and was muddy and bloody. She further stated, that it appeared he had gotten into a fight. Investigators were able to determine from watching the video from the Hoosier Harvestore that unnamed female witness was traveling on CR 300 North at approximately 3:57pm.”

So now we know how he walked out, but what in the world happened during all that time? I really don't want to know the answer.

MOO

It makes me curious if L's phone ringing at 3:11 really did spook him off.

 

[NLM1234]

I noticed there were supposed to be 8 pages in the PCA. There are only 7 pages. Could page 8 contain something about continuing to investigate the involvement or other suspects? Or is the PCA now just shorter due to the redactions?