IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #166

[Salah11]

It would have taken time to interview individuals and have experts review crime scene photos. It doesn’t surprise it could take up to a year. When was the Defense allowed to view the crime scene photos and reports? I have a hard time seeing how one person could control both of them without one escaping? It’s so brutal and torturing I definately want anyone involved prosecuted!

They were barely teenagers and he had a gun. Plus I will put a positive spin on it and from
Reading what I have I believe both Girls were loyal to each other to the bitter end. I also think the police alluded to this as well.

I am sure all of us would like to believe in such a situation we wouldn’t abandon our best friend either.

 

[sandy_80]

I think RA had to have been in that area many times before this in order to feel confident in taking the girls where he did. No way he decided to take 2 girls on a whim and figured lets just go across the creek and over there without knowing what was there. I think maybe he went to that area and fantasized about doing something there many times. Maybe he had sticks set up maybe that was something he just found once there, but I am leaning toward he walked the same route he was going to that day many times before and maybe even explored that creek and the woods on either side many times to find the right spot.

ofcourse he did...this was a fav spot..he had his daughter pose there by the bridge...i dont recall if this was before or after

 

[rosesfromangels]

If previously posted, my apologies.
I’m sure this gave him a secret thrill.
May Justice be served.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Delphi suspect printed victims' funeral photos, family says

Libby German’s family recognized her alleged killer from their local CVS, claiming he printed the victims’ funeral photos.

www.newsnationnow.com

 

[rosesfromangels]

ofcourse he did...this was a fav spot..he had his daughter pose there by the bridge...i dont recall if this was before or after

Another secret thrill for him.
Merely being in the location nourished the memory.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[kittythehare]

It would have taken time to interview individuals and have experts review crime scene photos. It doesn’t surprise it could take up to a year. When was the Defense allowed to view the crime scene photos and reports? I have a hard time seeing how one person could control both of them without one escaping? It’s so brutal and torturing I definately want anyone involved prosecuted!

One person can control hundreds of people- if they have a gun.
He had a gun.

 

[Cyber sleuth]

This might be totally off, but an idea just popped into my head. Maybe there wasn't blood on the body except at injury site because he slashed her neck in the water? I'm not sure logistically how that would work, but the "clean" body could be because they were near/in water.

Feel free to poke holes in the idea....it's just a thought that appeared out of nowhere.

jmo

This has been my theory since reading the memorandum.

 

[mrjitty]

I think RA had to have been in that area many times before this in order to feel confident in taking the girls where he did. No way he decided to take 2 girls on a whim and figured lets just go across the creek and over there without knowing what was there. I think maybe he went to that area and fantasized about doing something there many times. Maybe he had sticks set up maybe that was something he just found once there, but I am leaning toward he walked the same route he was going to that day many times before and maybe even explored that creek and the woods on either side many times to find the right spot.

100%

The crime scene is a place the defendant felt comfortable and knew he would not be disturbed. That is why he crossed the river.

 

[NeverPersonal]

100%

The crime scene is a place the defendant felt comfortable and knew he would not be disturbed. That is why he crossed the river.

Crossing the river could've been great for washing blood/evidence ofc as well

 

[Inthedetails]

Forgive me for asking this as I don't want to open Pandora's box (to mix myths), is there any significance to "crossing a river" in this Norse mythology?

jmo

 

[justtrish]

Crossing the river could've been great for washing blood/evidence ofc as well

I am curious how far exactly from the water the final site was? Maybe he took the clothing to the river to "wash" them because he feared he had left dna on something or several pieces of clothing. I was wondering why clothing would be in the river unless it was say a sweatshirt one of the girls was carrying and dropped or like I have seen mentioned a shoe because it got stuck in the mud/water as she was trying to cross. I don't know why they would be made to get naked at the water or he could have just tried throw things off by putting some clothing in the water. The water would have been right after going down the hill I believe. I went back to the map posted on the first page here and tried to see how this all unfolded and it is still a little confusing to me.

 

[kittythehare]

Forgive me for asking this as I don't want to open Pandora's box (to mix myths), is there any significance to "crossing a river" in this Norse mythology?

jmo

not going there!
No way...
I am refusing to dance to their, in my opinion-obscene,- theories presented without a single atom of new evidence, like fodder.
Why did the chicken cross the road?

(could be biblical?)

 

[tlcya]

Forgive me for asking this as I don't want to open Pandora's box (to mix myths), is there any significance to "crossing a river" in this Norse mythology?

jmo

not going there!
No way...
I am refusing to dance to their, in my opinion-obscene,- theories presented without a single atom of new evidence, like fodder.
Why did the chicken cross the road?

(could be biblical?)

I'll bite lol

The center of Niflheim contained the great source of all rivers, the boiling, torrential well called Hvergelmir (which means “roaring cauldron” or “bubbling cauldron”). One of the three roots of the great Yggdrasil, or World Tree, extended to Niflheim at the place where Hvergelmir bubbled up. Here also the serpent Nidhogg (Dreaded Biter) gnawed at Yggdrasil’s root. Other monsters also lived or were chained up in some part of Niflheim: the monstrous wolf Fenrir was bound there with a magic rope, and the dog Garm guarded the entrance to Hel. The goddess Hel herself had been cast down by the principal god Odin to preside over the land of the dead.

According to the ‘Prose (or Younger) Edda’, from Hvergelmir flowed the rivers called Svol, Gunnthra, Fiorm, Fimbulthul, Hrid, Sylg and Ylg, Vid, Leiptr, Slidr (which means “fearful” and was a river made of knives rather than water) and the Giol—the river one had to cross in order to arrive at the gate of Hel.
Niflheim

Still think the memorandum to support the frank's motion is so much hooey tho

 

[Inthedetails]

I'll bite lol

The center of Niflheim contained the great source of all rivers, the boiling, torrential well called Hvergelmir (which means “roaring cauldron” or “bubbling cauldron”). One of the three roots of the great Yggdrasil, or World Tree, extended to Niflheim at the place where Hvergelmir bubbled up. Here also the serpent Nidhogg (Dreaded Biter) gnawed at Yggdrasil’s root. Other monsters also lived or were chained up in some part of Niflheim: the monstrous wolf Fenrir was bound there with a magic rope, and the dog Garm guarded the entrance to Hel. The goddess Hel herself had been cast down by the principal god Odin to preside over the land of the dead.

According to the ‘Prose (or Younger) Edda’, from Hvergelmir flowed the rivers called Svol, Gunnthra, Fiorm, Fimbulthul, Hrid, Sylg and Ylg, Vid, Leiptr, Slidr (which means “fearful” and was a river made of knives rather than water) and the Giol—the river one had to cross in order to arrive at the gate of Hel.
Niflheim

Still think the memorandum to support the frank's motion is so much hooey tho

I still think the defense motion is hooey too.

If anything, if this was done by the Norse cultists, wonder why the defense isn't mentioning the location instead of just the sticks. Hills and rivers, daylight, winter season....does any of that matter? Or just some sticks? The crime happened in a very specific location but I guess just a stick means anything.

jmo

 

[Notascreenname]

Humour me - anyone know what type of tree the letter F was written on, or what type of trees appear in the area of the crime scene?

'The sweet smelling linden tree with its heart-shaped leaves is associated with Freya, the Germanic Goddess of truth and love. It was believed that you could not tell a lie under the linden tree.'

Source:The Lore of Our Trees

'The Fehu rune, which resembles an uppercase 'F,' is considered a symbol of wealth, prosperity, and abundance. These associations with material well-being and fertility connect the rune to Freya, the goddess of fertility, love, and beauty.'

'Odin: Although Freya was not married to Odin, they share a strong connection due to their roles as prominent deities of war and death. As the leader of the Valkyries, Freya works closely with Odin, the chief of the Norse pantheon and the ruler of Valhalla. Furthermore, Freya is known to have taught Odin the magical art of seiðr, emphasizing the respect and influence she holds among the gods.'

Source: Explore The Many Meanings of the Freya Symbol

 

[tlcya]

Here's why I don't put much credence specifically in the portion of the Odinism theory bout the artwork featuring odin hangin from the tree and that meaning one of the bodies had to be posed like that as "nod" to Odin hanging from the World Tree.

Google images of the Hanged Man in tarot cards. That imagery is NOT specific to Odinism. It simply isn't.

Yeah, 'nuff said. We could make all sorts of theories bout the crime scene if we had access to the photos. But we don't. The public doesn't have that context. So how exactly did ole whatsisface know to even recognize the similarities to crime scene photos that haven't been released and a painting on DH's Facebook depicting Odin hangin from the World Tree? Where did this internet detective's context come from?

The branches that may or may not resemble runes - google images from metaphysical shops. You will find a good many carry runestones, along with tarot cards, crystals, sage and all manner of varied paganistic products.

My point being, even IF there was staging at the crime scene that points towards some type of paganism, all of those items being referenced don't have to specifically indicate Odinites, witches, pagans. They are MOO more likely to indicate someone who staged the crime scene to LOOK like there was some sort of scary witchy woo woo purpose behind the murders as a means of deflecting from the true nature and motive for the murders.

 

[FrostedGlass]

What do these Odinites do when they are in the woods, near a river conducting a ritual? (Taken from the memorandum)

 

[Vaderman]

Or was it just an old, meaningless, previously cut branch that the killer just happened to pick up?

That's a good point. When I go hiking at state parks, park officers will cut off limbs that are at risk of falling off and leave them on the ground just off the trail to decompose.

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

Hi everyone. Have read about this case off and on and am catching up here.

Is there a map of where the bridge is in relation to the location of their bodies, and anything else relevant?

I'm curious about the distance because whoever did this could have been caught in the act, searchers could have heard screaming or noises, etc. How were they so confident that they could commit those crimes in the same area where the girls were last seen and not feel they'd be caught red-handed? Of course the friend who dropped them off knew exactly where they'd left them.

Was it typical for RA to take walks in that area?

The bridge just chills me outside of the murders themselves. I could never, EVER walk across that given its height, NO railing, missing slats, space between slats, yikes, just yikes.

Has there been any concrete mention of DNA evidence? Cannot imagine one or more people doing what they did with the undressing/redressing/etc. not leaving at least one hair or fiber of their own clothing on them.

 

[FrostedGlass]

It seems kind out of character for RL to have been down in that part of his property randomly cutting tree branches with an electric saw. MOO

 

[TL4S]

It seems kind out of character for RL to have been down in that part of his property randomly cutting tree branches with an electric saw. MOO

I agree. Maybe on other areas of his property, but not down by the water...