IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #174

[TL4S]

So it was R who was in the Air Force in Texas who committed suicide correct?

R was in the Air Force, in Indiana, and committed suicide.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I believe he is guilty and acted alone but the only question for me is if he knew they were there then how did he find out that information.

He worked in a CVS and had a kid so knowing children were off that day I guess was common knowledge so maybe he just went out there on the off chance and saw a opportunity and took it.

IMO

RA's daughter was older than Abby & Libby, already graduated from HS I believe. I believe RA had direct knowledge the girls were going to be there at the bridge either by catfishing them himself or in concert with someone else.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

R was in the Air Force, in Indiana, and committed suicide.

DBM - I hopelessly confused

 

[TL4S]

DBM - I hopelessly confused

It IS confusing! I think this is the episode of MS that explains it.

 

[mrjitty]

So does Gull recuse now she threw the car keys in the river?

 

[girlhasnoname]

R&B filing a Motion for disqualification of Judge Gull. Not surprising to me at all, just that it took them this long.

This should add another few weeks or months for them to get prepared for a real trial.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

It IS confusing! I think this is the episode of MS that explains it.

I think I've got it clear now. Thanks to you and Cyber Sleuth.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Here's a copy of the Motion:

Adobe Acrobat

 

[girlhasnoname]

So does Gull recuse now she threw the car keys in the river?

I don't believe Judge Gull will recuse, I think if she had planned on it, she would have done it sooner and/or before she made those last rulings.

JMO

 

[mrjitty]

I don't believe Judge Gull will recuse, I think if she had planned on it, she would have done it sooner and/or before she made those last rulings.

JMO

I am a bit surprised they filed this before the SCOIN reasons dropped.

Personally I hope Gull recuses.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I am a bit surprised they filed this before the SCOIN reasons dropped.

Personally I hope Gull recuses.

If it continues to impede the progression of the trial, I have no problem with her recusal. This is too much and has gone on far too long.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

And in their own swipe at the D's lack of movement, here is the States Motion to Compel Discovery:

Adobe Acrobat

 

[Cyber sleuth]

I am a bit surprised they filed this before the SCOIN reasons dropped.

Personally I hope Gull recuses.

I am surprised since they are stating in the motion that “if” higher court found RA’s 6th amendment rights were violated then obviously the judge is biased. ( paraphrasing here).
But the SCION reasons have not been brought to light so we can’t assume.

 

[FrostedGlass]

You can watch for opinions here:

Appellate Decisions - Appellate Decisions

Indiana Supreme Court, Public Access

public.courts.in.gov

 

[TL4S]

And in their own swipe at the D's lack of movement, here is the States Motion to Compel Discovery:

Adobe Acrobat

Honestly, the D were ordered to stop working the case in early October. The new D was waiting in limbo if they were even staying on the case. When was anyone supposed to be moving on this? I am hopeful this get beck on track soon.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Honestly, the D were ordered to stop working the case in early October. The new D was waiting in limbo if they were even staying on the case. When was anyone supposed to be moving on this? I am hopeful this get beck on track soon.

Very true, but this D has also claimed they've been ready for ST since November and to go to trial in Jan. I know this has been through the wringer, but the evidence and their trial strategy shouldn't have been effected.

MOO

 

[scapa]

I'll start at the end of your post: I'm open to being swayed.

The muddy/bloody issue is pretty clear in my mind.
From the RL affidavit, we know this (don't we?):


So, when (IF) he was described by SC as being muddy (and bloody), I'm thinking she meant his clothing was that way also.
I'm pretty sure all LE involved are aware of RL's affidavit. IMO, regardless of Liggett omitting the word "clothing", the judge would have taken it that way. If Liggett personally added in the word 'bloody', that's a problem.

I'd love to read SC's interview.
I'm really curious how a jacket goes from tan/muddy to blue/muddy/bloody.

All MOO

I have also wondered that. W/o being able to reference the precise descriptions I suspect it has more to do with the relative intensity and angles of light through filters (trees, shadows, windows) than with witness error. IMO, the jacket and blood staining were constants; what changed were the perceptual conditions under which they might have been seen and described.

 

[Jade]

I'd like to add your info that I put in red to my notes.
I couldn't find it in the article you posted.
If it's from another source, would you please provide the link?

My apologies for not including a link.

It is from the Defense Page 131:


"The conversation between Richard Allen and Dan Dulin came about when Richard Allen called the tip line to provide the limited information that he (Richard) may have had from his time on the trail that day. Dulin and Richard met at a grocery store in Delphi."

DocumentCloud


Baldwin and Rozzi write that Allen gave a voluntary statement in February of 2017 to, “a Conservation Officer outside of the local grocery store,” detailing his presence on the Monon High Bridge the day Libby German and Abby Williams were murdered, […]

Defense and law enforcement spar over Delphi murders investigation

 

[mrjitty]

And in their own swipe at the D's lack of movement, here is the States Motion to Compel Discovery:

Adobe Acrobat

Interesting they haven't discovered anything.

 

[Emma Peel]

I am a bit surprised they filed this before the SCOIN reasons dropped.

Personally I hope Gull recuses.

Me too.
But, IMO this is a timely filing, given Gull's last laundry list of decisions.
And, there may be moving parts we're not aware of.
e.g.
- Perhaps Weineke (RA's appellate attorney) supported this motion's prep - so it's ready for the Appellate.
- We can see that the D likely needed time to have a personal visit with Allen.
- And the parties may have been further updated (by SCOIN) re: timing for publishing the SCOIN decision.

JMHO