Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, and Liberty (Libby) German, 14/The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #86

[StarryStarryNight]

Is it a fact he crossed the creek? Or is that only our speculation?

It seems I recall at some point LE saying with some certainty that they crossed the creek on the way to the crime scene. I remember because at that time I personally didn't believe they crossed the creek and had to stop and rethink things. LE never said why or how they knew this but there was some speculation that the audio Libby recorded has sound indicating they walked through the creek.

 

[Nemellotus]

It seems I recall at some point LE saying with some certainty that they crossed the creek on the way to the crime scene. I remember because at that time I personally didn't believe they crossed the creek and had to stop and rethink things. LE never said why or how they knew this but there was some speculation that the audio Libby recorded has sound indicating they walked through the creek.

I also remember LE stating that as well.

 

[Inthedetails]

I also remember LE stating that as well.

I stand corrected then. What a horrible, horrible crime.

 

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

In the long version of Officer Holman’s interview he mentioned (paraphrased) traveling over steep terrain in a wooded area to get to where the girls were found. He said they crossed the creek. You wouldn’t go this way just taking a walk.

This interview still contains a wealth of info, IMO.

Lead detective in Delphi murders confirms police have more audio from phone, DNA evidence

 

[kc1023]

It is MY OPINION ONLY that the girls ran from BG once under the bridge and went through the creek trying to get away. I think his ultimate plan was foiled and he eliminated them at that point rather than have them get away.

 

[Blondiexoxo]

I imagine he left his ‘tools’ weapon etc in the car, probably part of his MO, there’s a possibility he could have spooked other young girls he’d attempted to follow, if they or anyone had rang police and said there’s a creepy guy prowling and they went to check it out, he’d appear innocent if his kit was in his car. So he followed, made sure that they were far enough not to be seen and ensured no one was around before heading to his car then he might have followed them again, this time the girls get scared and take a picture, he could be holding weapons in his pockets in that photo, zip ties, rope, maybe even a hammer. I dread to think of the terror those young girls felt in their final moments. They weren’t even left alone for that long, he was waiting to pounce maybe he stalked them til they noticed him then retreated to his car, they thought he’d left them alone and when the opportunity was there he appeared again. All JMO of course.

 

[JnRyan]

In the long version of Officer Holman’s interview he mentioned (paraphrased) traveling over steep terrain in a wooded area to get to where the girls were found. He said they crossed the creek. You wouldn’t go this way just taking a walk.

This interview still contains a wealth of info, IMO.

Lead detective in Delphi murders confirms police have more audio from phone, DNA evidence

Good refresher. There is a lot of info there. But I just feel that he really didn't answer a lot of questions. He gave answers about general investigative procedures or stated he couldn't answer it because it would compromise the integrity of the investigation - which I understand.

But now that I listen to it again, I come away with less confidence than before. I'm starting to believe they don't have the murderer's DNA after listening to this interview. What I do find REALLY interesting is that he sort of leaves open the option of possibly releasing more of the audio at a later date. Or at least that is what I get out of it.

 

[kkdj]

It is MY OPINION ONLY that the girls ran from BG once under the bridge and went through the creek trying to get away. I think his ultimate plan was foiled and he eliminated them at that point rather than have them get away.

I don't. I believe he had full control over them up to their deaths.

 

[Falling Down]

I don't. I believe he had full control over them up to their deaths.

Same here, and my theory is he grabbed Abby and used some type of tool or restraining device to help him to control her. He had control over them at the end of the bridge, all the way to the crime scene, but at the CS the girls may have fought back.

JMO

 

[JnRyan]

I don't. I believe he had full control over them up to their deaths.

I can see the possibility of them making a run for it but I don't give it a high probability . If he was using a gun most likely not. If they did make a run for it and they knew the area it might have been close to where they were found, IF they knew there was a house just beyond the treeline.

Every time I try to run the scenario through my head, I always have the murderer in control till the end.

 

[JnRyan]

I don't believe I ever heard if the murder weapon was a gun. (I don't believe the cause of death was ever revealed by LE.) With all the leaves on the ground it is possible that if he did use a gun he may have not found all the shell casings - assuming he didn't use a revolver. The POI in MO used a hand gun in the murder he committed there.

I don't know why I keep thinking he used a gun to control Abigail and Liberty, but he used some weapon or method in the killing.

 

[minazoe]

still nothing.

 

[Jabarn]

Picture of person of interest released by Delphi police | Daily Mail Online

‘If you can identify the subject or were parked in the lot, please contact the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department or the Delphi Police Department at 765-564-2345 or the Indiana State Police at 765-567-2125. You can remain anonymous if you request,’ a police statement read.'

Abigail Williams & Liberty German: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

“Also, if you were parked at High Bridge Trail Head on February 13, 2017 between 1:00 p.m. and 5:00 p.m. we would like to talk to you,” police said.

 

[cathdawg]

DN has been arrested.
Offender Name:
NATIONS, DANIEL JAMES
Custody Status:
In Custody
Age:
33
Location:
Fremont County Sheriff's Office
Race:
White
Contact Facility:



Offender ID:
6340129
Gender:
Male

Date of Birth:
10/08/1985













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[minazoe]

DN has been arrested.
Offender Name:
NATIONS, DANIEL JAMES
Custody Status:
In Custody
Age:
33
Location:
Fremont County Sheriff's Office
Race:
White
Contact Facility:



Offender ID:
6340129
Gender:
Male

Date of Birth:
10/08/1985













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OMIGOD DUDES!!!

 

[minazoe]

Cañon City Police Blotter: Man arrested for false imprisonment, menacing

 

[drama_farmer]

Cañon City Police Blotter: Man arrested for false imprisonment, menacing

The headline in the link is not referring to DN. They only list "warrant arrest" for DN

 

[minazoe]

He never learns.
mOO

 

[minazoe]

The headline in the link is not referring to DN. They only list "warrant arrest" for DN

I think it was a group of people . right? thats how I read it.

 

[drama_farmer]

I think it was a group of people . right? thats how I read it.

I think it's just an arrest summary for Dec.5-11; a rundown of all of the arrests in that area for the time period. Each entry is a separate arrest activity.