Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #90

[JillR]

I also see an adult with brown straight hair and bangs...but...how does that explain the tight curly ringlets in the new sketch?!

Rancore, please repost your pic. I can’t find it. Thank you!

 

[TheVisual]

One other comment...and someone may have already said this. (I haven't completed the thread yet.) Isn't it appalling how many people believed it was old RL. This makes it almost 100% certain that it was not.

Or DN or TB or CE

 

[mrsobrien]

When we jump to the next thread, can a mod please bring the enhanced video and audio clips? I think they're on or around page 55. TIA.

 

[carmenugt]

Absolutely. Actually it's easier now with all this technology.

Yes, My friend and I built the first electronic neighborhood watch group in the country. We cammed the city of New Orleans. We put a lot of bad guys in jail.
Saying that, you can evade police. Perps are very knowledgeable. Keep your head low. Keep as much of you covered.i.e hats , scarves , masks. Cams are hung hing. If you keep your head down. we get the top of your head. If you hunch over, it is hard for us to tell height. Stuff like that.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Because he probably knew they could track it via gps or by cell tower pings.

Right, but why not destroy it with the gun or whatever weapon you had?

 

[bodester413]

His right our left?

Yup. The side that gets all the sunlight closest to the edge of the bridge.

 

[kkdj]

I'm so perplexed. How did LE go from one pic of a suspect to a completely different one? What happened? They aren't telling us to disregard the first artist rendition either. Yet, they said there is only one person that did this.

 

[mrsobrien]

Kitty Genovese. There's a very interesting documentary made by a young relative of hers. I think it's on Netflix.

I know I would, and am sure many here at WS feel the same way. Unfortunately, so many people don't want the hassle of "getting involved" no matter what they know or how related to the situation.

I saw a video, it was a famous case where people looked out their windows of an apartment building while a woman was beat to death. I think someone called the police finally, but all because they didn't want to "get involved". They just closed the curtain and ignored her screams.

I hope these two sweet girls have touched enough lives it gets the right people involved. No matter how frightening or inconvenient it may seem.

 

[mtnlites]

Could he have taken them to the abandoned building his vehicle was parked at?

I 100% don't believe the girls were moved from the park. BG was already risking attacking 2 people in broad daylight. There were other people there at the park. IMO risking people A) seeing him whisking away to an awaiting vehicle that would've taken several minutes to walk to or B) seeing him returning with two dead bodies does not align with what we know about the crime. He had no way of knowing how the search was going to go that night. If he had access to a car then WHY return them to the same place in which he abducted them? Why not leave them on the side of the road, leave them in the abandoned building, or bury their bodies in another wooded area? It makes zero sense to me that they would be returned there.

The Pattys have said in various interviews that the crime happened quickly and that both girls were killed on the same day.

 

[carmenugt]

Does anyone detect a slight condition known as "foot drop" in the video?

There is definately a problem. There is obvious muscle weakness as evidenced by the purposeful lifting and planting.

 

[gregjrichards]

Nothing earth shattering.... I see a wall of media, which soothes my troubled thoughts that someone in particular was being eyeballed. Not entirely, but a lot.

I can’t imagine the stress of that situation public speaking can be hard enough. Can you imagine giving a statement in front of a wall of media on a highly emotional and extremely serious case where you are communicating with the killer directly and he may be in the room or watching? It is unimaginable.

 

[Jabarn]

Could the white stretchy thing be protective goggles? Like.. he had them around his neck, but not on?

I have to go back to some earlier posters back in the day (two years, but seems forever) that it could be a restraint (like a rope) or choking device, or both, depending. Not sure, but I originally though (back in the day) he was vaping or those were just cords from his hoodie. Seeing it differently now, but could still be wrong. So it goes. This new information is good, though.

 

[mtnlites]

I do think the way he walks and holds the right side of his ensemble indicates there may be a weapon there - likely a gun. I also think that if I were 14 and someone I knew pointed a gun at me, I might still be able to keep recording, but I don't know that I'd have the wits about me to state their name.

Hell, I don't even greet my friends by name when I see them most of the time, we just know who we are. If there was a commonality between the girls and BG, they might not have been thinking about getting information to law enforcement, they might have just reverted to what would be normal conversation for them.

I agree. When I see someone I know out in public I don't generally say, "Hi there Nael who owns the Mexican restaurant on Main Street!" or even just "Hi Nael!" It's usually a "hey." In the terror of a moment I'm not sure that I would be able to call out that person's name so that it was recorded. I mean, sitting here from behind my computer screen in the safety of my home I can think of a dozen things that I could do to help someone catch my killer. But right then, in that moment, with someone possibly threatening me with a weapon? I'd be lucky not to resort to gibberish and pee.

Plus, if it was someone they knew by sight but not by name, that would also explain it.

 

[Tssiemer]

There is definately a problem. There is obvious muscle weakness as evidenced by the purposeful lifting and planting.

I have drop foot. I wear an AFO and use a cane. I drag my foot otherwise.

 

[zencompass]

I may have missed this discussed, but given the general idea that the Shack reference was a religious one, do you think that choosing to do the press conference after Easter Weekend was also a targeted move?

Yes, I do think this was a planned move, in my opinion. Perhaps a religious factor was part of the profiling of the perpetrator of this horrendous crime.

The announcement that this press release would be held on Monday could also have been deliberate with the intention for the perpetrator to keep this in his mind over Easter weekend.

Especially to have the perpetrator possibly have questions to himself all weekend such as - what do they know? - are they close to identifying me?, etc.

This could all be part of "throwing him off" or as @MassGuy said "shaking the tree".
JMO

 

[carmenugt]

I think I also see a slight foot drop. I agree he looks like he has trendelenburg syndrome.

You dont see alot of trendelenburg syndrome. The railroad ties makes it almost impossible to really diagnosis his gait. I do believe there is an issue.

 

[pepper 34]

[QUOTE The audio I enhanced including the song sound, it sounds to me like an audio sample possibly a text alert. "Big Papa" maybe or "Proper" in Ebonics. "Propa"

[/QUOTE]

I believe those musical notes are the beginning of the song, "Big Poppa." I'm thinking it must be BG's phone because, if the phone belongs to either girl, BG would have heard it and would have taken the phone from her right away.

 

[mi_hiker]

Apologies if this was already posted.

Indiana State Police releases clarification points on Delphi murder suspect

• A car was parked in the abandoned CPS building parking lot between the hours of noon and 5:00 p.m. on February 13, 2017
  • We are looking for anyone who could give a description of vehicles that were in the parking lot during the time
• The location of the abandoned CPS building was 6931 West 300 North, Delphi, IN
  • The building has since been demolished and the lot is vacant
• The Multi-Agency Task Force is seeking tips and information about how the subject depicted in the sketch is linked to the Delphi area.
  • The Task Force is not asking for investigative suggestions
  • Tips on the suspect sketch are our main interest

 

[SAMS]

The third image also shows how thin the BG really is. Look at the hand placement-those aren't wide hips. Those are thin, and it almost looks like he's trying to hold his pants up.
I wonder if they looked at any high school kids who have since left for college.

And what appears to be a bulge of some sort in his jacket pocket(s) IMO...yes, I see thin now too...is that a toupee? Lol I’m going mad looking at this image

 

[RedBeard]

I believe those musical notes are the beginning of the song, "Big Poppa." I'm thinking it must be BG's phone because, if the phone belongs to either girl, BG would have heard it and would have taken the phone from her right away.

In my head he is saying something like "Hey Guys (gets their attention, moves closer) something is wrong down hill (could be a hurt dog, could have enticed them with money to do a task etc.) can you come help me. I think that maybe the phone was submerged and they recovered those portions of audio.