Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #98

[Laura60]

Monticello

 

[Boxer]

Boxer said: "Police said they have gone from 1100 POI to "a couple of dozen." "



Yes, and I'm almost certain it was Sup. Carter who said this when he answered a local reporter's question. I haven't been able to find it but I'm certain it was on the day of the press conference or the day after.

I tried but I can't find it either. i will see if I can't. It made perfect sense to me about their rate clearing and developing a list of individuals whose alibis or other things need more attention.
In a couple of printed articles the same thought, but less strongly expressed was said this way:

"We have talked to well over 1,100 people. That includes persons of interest, that includes anybody and everybody that's involved in this case. If their name has been turned in, we've talked or attempted to talk to 99.9 percent of them."

Delphi murders: What's still missing 2 years after the slayings of Abby and Libby

 

[wary]

Clothing makes it easier.

Perhaps these searchers simply wanted to verify their identities, even though they knew who they found.

It looks like her, combined with the shoe color, makes preliminary identification pretty solid.

This ain’t unusual, and isn’t necessarily indicative of the extent of their injuries.

They might have been lying face down, or faces covered. The searcher who found them certainly shouldn’t move them—so the shoes would be just a trace more info.

 

[MistyWaters]

I tried but I can't find it either. i will see if I can't. It made perfect sense to me about their rate clearing and developing a list of individuals whose alibis or other things need more attention.
In a couple of printed articles the same thought, but less strongly expressed was said this way:

"We have talked to well over 1,100 people. That includes persons of interest, that includes anybody and everybody that's involved in this case. If their name has been turned in, we've talked or attempted to talk to 99.9 percent of them."

Delphi murders: What's still missing 2 years after the slayings of Abby and Libby

I think you found the answer.

Notice the original date of the report in your link is Feb 4th but it was edited April 22? The new sketch was added but I’m certain the reference to a couple of dozen POIs remaining was is this same report. I do know I posted the quote here as well so I might be able to locate the unedited quote.

 

[cluciano63]

I don’t even use mainstream media for news on crime anymore. Only words from mouths of LE. So Youtube is really not on my radar for facts...jmo

 

[cluciano63]

They might have been lying face down, or faces covered. The searcher who found them certainly shouldn’t move them—so the shoes would be just a trace more info.

Seems like “ bright yellow shoes” would have been in description of things to look out for, imo...if that is what they were, as they would stand out, if the girls had fallen etc...

 

[TeaTime]

What if LE has a suspect, this new sketch is from his driver's license and LE just needs help to place him at the trail/parking spot that day. I know what they said, but they are allowed to mislead the public.

 

[MassGuy]

What if LE has a suspect, this new sketch is from his driver's license and LE just needs help to place him at the trail/parking spot that day. I know what they said, but they are allowed to mislead the public.

That would destroy their credibility. It’s not a move that I’ve seen any law enforcement organization make, for that reason.

I totally believe that this sketch was drawn within days of the murders, exactly as they said.

 

[MistyWaters]

They might have been lying face down, or faces covered. The searcher who found them certainly shouldn’t move them—so the shoes would be just a trace more info.

This is really on the fringe of my memory so it might not be accurate but iirc the searchers who found the bodies knew her mom. However, might be my imagination because I was left with the impression they did not know the girls well enough to know for sure that’s who they were. While it was highly unlikely two other bodies of girls would’ve been found there, other porters here commented that official search teams are required to notify their search captain when the searchers find who they’re looking for. So it appears Kelsi’s involvement was just part of that process.

This Dr Phil show is discussed on about thread #76 iirc.

 

[Snoop Sister]

This is really on the fringe of my memory so it might not be accurate but iirc the searchers who found the bodies knew her mom. However, might be my imagination because I was left with the impression they did not know the girls well enough to know for sure that’s who they were. While it was highly unlikely two other bodies of girls would’ve been found there, other porters here commented that official search teams are required to notify their search captain when the searchers find who they’re looking for So it appears Kelsi’s involvement was just part of that process.

This Dr Phil show is discussed on about thread #76 iirc.

Yes, I have been on two search teams previously and the protocol was to advise the search captain if anything pertinent was found.

BBM

 

[Snoop Sister]

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[MistyWaters]

What if LE has a suspect, this new sketch is from his driver's license and LE just needs help to place him at the trail/parking spot that day. I know what they said, but they are allowed to mislead the public.

I don’t think this would ever happen. That’d be any criminal lawyers dream case IMO, if LE lied about there being a witness who had no input from LE when the sketch was drawn and instead copied it from a driver’s licence of a suspect. That verges on entrapment, framing and if they’d lie about the source of the sketch would they lie about the evidence as well? Many juries might think so.

 

[mtnlites]

Seems like “ bright yellow shoes” would have been in description of things to look out for, imo...if that is what they were, as they would stand out, if the girls had fallen etc...

It should have been, and probably was, but human error plays into this as well. My husband on SAR in our state and many searchers who volunteer are first timers. What they lack in experience they make up for with enthusiasm, but sometimes they have trouble remembering things. At least if this person forgot something it was just the color of her shoes-my husband's had trouble with people forgetting the actual rules and then trying to pick stuff up.

 

[mtnlites]

That would destroy their credibility. It’s not a move that I’ve seen any law enforcement organization make, for that reason.

I totally believe that this sketch was drawn within days of the murders, exactly as they said.

I believe so, too, but what I want to know is why (if this one was drawn at that time) LE was more convinced that the other one was the more accurate?

 

[MassGuy]

I believe so, too, but what I want to know is why (if this one was drawn at that time) LE was more convinced that the other one was the more accurate?

The first sketch was released 5 months after the murders.

I too don’t understand why they went 5 months without a sketch, when they already had one.

Clearly they didn’t think it was valid then, but somehow it is now.

Odd, doesn’t begin to describe that.

 

[Brubon]

I've lost my place and cannot find the post about Jessica Heeringa's disappearance and the murder of the 2 Iowa cousins somehow being connected to Delphi.
Jeffrey Willis was arrested on May 17, 2016 so he could not be responsible for Abby and Libby's murders on Feb. 13, 2017.
Jeffrey was ultimately found guilty of killing Jessica Heeringa who disapoeared April 26, 2013 at the age of 25. He was also found guilty of killing Rebekah Bletsch on June 29, 2014 when she was 36. The 16 year old girl he kidnapped (just before his arrest) escaped from the van he was driving. Her jumping from that vehicle and describing him to LE ultimately brought down Jeffrey who is serving life in prison for the murders of two grown women, not teens.
I would love to blame Jeffrey for the Delphi murders, but he simply wasn't a free man when Abby and Libby were taken from this Earth. RIP sweet girls.

 

[mtnlites]

The first sketch was released 5 months after the murders.

I too don’t understand why they went 5 months without a sketch, when they already had one.

Clearly they didn’t think it was valid then, but somehow it is now.

Odd, doesn’t begin to describe that.

Yeah, seems like there should be a reason why they waited so long to release a sketch, when they already had one, and then why they decided to release OGBG and not NewBG.

 

[Wells]

The first sketch was released 5 months after the murders.

I too don’t understand why they went 5 months without a sketch, when they already had one.

Clearly they didn’t think it was valid then, but somehow it is now.

Odd, doesn’t begin to describe that.

That alibi must have been Convincing. And if the alibi was someone LE respected and trusted, it may explain the depth of emotion at the recent PC.

 

[mekeritrig]

The first sketch was released 5 months after the murders.

I too don’t understand why they went 5 months without a sketch, when they already had one.

Clearly they didn’t think it was valid then, but somehow it is now.

Odd, doesn’t begin to describe that.

The second sketch being released is part of the change in direction announced at the last PC. Something has caused LE to discard the theory that BG was some sort of drifter and is instead someone local to the area. Without knowing what the witness said about the individual sketch #2 is based on there's no way to know why LE didn't initially suspect him.

 

[moonlessnight]

totally agree. I have seen enough young men misdiagnosed coming out of mental hospitals with DX's of "nonspecified psychotic disorder", rather than antisocial personality disorder, which many of them had, probably along with some type of bipolar disorder, to know that the diagnoses are often missed. There are psychiatric problems all along the way and the parents are well aware in these cases. Often there is even violence against the parents or other family or medical staff. The parents are well aware.

Imo the unsub has probably presented with psychological
/psychiatric problems from an early age. But, this may be the first time he has fully acted out the rage. I also believe his parents are well aware of his potential psychotic behaviour.