IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #20

[websleuthin]

I saw that the place is near to the cemetery, imo is possible that this was a ritual murder?

Good point!! I don't recall anyone bringing this up...although there is a large wiccan/occult community in Indiana and everywhere for that matter...someone with darker intentions could have been at work here

 

[layer]

However now we have a post stating a completely false information like it is a fact.

What information?

ETA:
Ahh, the statement that (all) Liberty's siblings were younger, gotcha!

 

[ab01]

This is probably the most likely scenario of the attack that I probably have read.. I think it makes a lot of sense, And based on that Gif it seems highly likely of what happened. Especially when you put the totallity of what we know in regards to the audio and the snippets of video. So horrifying to image how these poor angels were victimized by this monster. MOO

In reply to NIN, sorry forgot to quote

 

[legalmomma]

This is probably the most likely scenario of the attack that I probably have read.. I think it makes a lot of sense, And based on that Gif it seems highly likely of what happened. Especially when you put the totallity of what we know in regards to the audio and the snippets of video. So horrifying to image how these poor angels victimized by this monster. MOO

In reply to NIN, sorry forgot to quote

Would be helpful to reply to posts.

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[terpstra1]

This website might be of some help to answer your questions about time frame regarding DNA https://www.cga.ct.gov/2010/rpt/2010-R-0086.htm

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Thank you!

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[Heartis24K]

Yes it has been discussed, the consensus is foliage. Welcome to WS!

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MOO...it looks like Abby's jacket. If you look at the Snapchat photo, it looks like it has similar colors and angle.



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[AFTM]

I believe the attack was sexually motivated...not a ritual of any kind. He attacked them with that in mind and then killed them...or they would not have been missing their clothes...


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[heidi76]

MOO...it looks like Abby's jacket. If you look at the Snapchat photo, it looks like it has similar colors and angle.



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Yes I've come to that conclusion also having seen some posts 😊

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[TeaTime]

I am sorry I had the indication that her sisters were younger... I just looked at her obituary and see a sister with a different name. That must be what confused me.

But still do not blame her sister for dropping them off and say she should feel bad. I was supposed to go out to where my sister worked and didn't go that night. She was taken from there and murdered. I went there the next day when she did not come home and found her car and blood everywhere... She was missing...

I have always thought that if I was there he could not of got us both...but they say he would of killed us both.

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You were not supposed to be there for a reason. It was never and is never in your control.

 

[ab01]

Would be helpful to reply to posts.

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my apologies I accidentally clicked the wrong button....:shame:

 

[iscaremyself]

Hello all,
Been following this from the beginning and have a sequence question on the pictures.
1. The picture of Abby on the bridge, where is the BG at that point? Have the girls seem him yet.
2. The picture of BG that Libby took, has she turned from just taking the picture of Abby?
I can not keep up with all the responses to this thread but am trying##

this video will answer those question, I think a member here made it.
[video=youtube;HH3twaMV9Fg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH3twaMV9Fg[/video]

 

[T4Tide]

This guy is in his late 30s to mid 40s. Goatee. Still wearing Levi 550s or 560s (like it's 1999.) Has a family. More normal than you think. Those around him would never suspect this.

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[Speechsound]

Good point!! I don't recall anyone bringing this up...although there is a large wiccan/occult community in Indiana and everywhere for that matter...someone with darker intentions could have been at work here

I have participated in the Wiccan community in the past and you really, really need to research Wicca from reliable sources before you post something like this. The Wiccan Rede is "Harm none". Wiccans and pagans are a fairly benign group of people, think hippies of all ages, races and creeds. Don't believe the summoning of devils with pentograms rubbish you see on TV movies. It doesn't happen, but the misconception persists. The taking of a life or causing harm to another living being is ABSOLUTELY taboo and forbidden.

If you are getting them mixed up with Satanists, you need to remember that Satan is a Christian construct and as such is not recognized in Wicca.

(This may be my first post but I've been lurking for awhile.)

 

[Aunt B]

MOO. I ride the fence on this one. As a Network Admin I know my way around a computer rather well. And I know there are people in the FBI waaaaay better than I. However, there are programs and such that can mask a person's identity quite well. It takes time to trace IP addresses and follow bread crumbs across the Web.

Things just seem more rational at a set up or online communication than a chance encounter.

JMO

I definitely think the same way about the bolded sentence. And, maybe I'm just being impatient...it feels like it's been sooooo long already, when really it's been just less than 3 weeks. Maybe that really isn't enough time if someone worked hard enough to cover their tracks. I was mistaken, too...I thought IP addresses could be tracked very quickly.

 

[Jill1124]

Was it reported that they were found without clothing? Is that what you are saying in your post?

 

[Hatfield]

JMO
One thing that really concerns me about this case is the way all the many FBI got involved so quickly. It is almost like they knew this case was a serious one affecting areas outside of Indiana.

The only type of case that I can think of that could do that would be a SK traveling through multiple states. With the Billboards going up nationwide as an example.

I cannot recall another case where billboards went up across the country so fast.

It makes me think that LE may have already tied him to another known murder case. They may have made the connection quickly and that could be why all the resources were brought in so fast.

The scary thing is I dont think they know where BG is located or we would have heard about an arrest by now. I think they may know who he is and may even have a name they are thinking about but I dont think they know where he is.

It kind of makes sense that if they know his name that they would not let the public know because they want the BG to think nobody knows its him so that they can catch him. If BG knew that LE knew his name then he would be even more cautious than he already is. They want him to slip up so they can find him and make an arrest.

In the meantime I do think the public is at risk of this guy killing again. I think he would have no problem murdering again. The way he pulled this off showed us that he is willing to take some chances once he is ready to strike. A very scary individual. A madman or monster is a pretty accurate description.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

This is probably the most likely scenario of the attack that I probably have read.. I think it makes a lot of sense, And based on that Gif it seems highly likely of what happened. Especially when you put the totallity of what we know in regards to the audio and the snippets of video. So horrifying to image how these poor angels were victimized by this monster. MOO

In reply to NIN, sorry forgot to quote

Just jumping off your post and in my opinion you can't tell anything from that gif. The gif that is circulating is comprised of two stills from a video. Those stills are not necessarily in sequence and we don't know what else is between them on the video. So I don't know how anyone can see a knife or anything else being pulled. JMO

 

[iscaremyself]

I have participated in the Wiccan community in the past and you really, really need to research Wicca from reliable sources before you post something like this. The Wiccan Rede is "Harm none". Wiccans and pagans are a fairly benign group of people, think hippies of all ages, races and creeds. Don't believe the summoning of devils with pentograms rubbish you see on TV movies. It doesn't happen, but the misconception persists. The taking of a life or causing harm to another living being is ABSOLUTELY taboo and forbidden.

If you are getting them mixed up with Satanists, you need to remember that Satan is a Christian construct and as such is not recognized in Wicca.

(This may be my first post but I've been lurking for awhile.)

before you get upset..there is a connection made on utube

 

[otto]

I still wonder if there is anything we can discern from the fact where their bodies were found? That is a lot of private property to cover in order to get from the bridge to where the victims were found. It almost makes me wonder if maybe BG had some kind of inside knowledge of the private property. I mean 3/4 of a mile hike from the public trail is quite a distance through the woods. I just can't force my mind to think that some random person traveling through would take these victims all the way down there. This guy definetly knew this are very well, I just keep finding myself drawn to these maps trying to figure what i am missing. I think that is why its so hard for me to understand, bc in my mind it just screams of a local perp. I just feel like this guy after the murders walked away and continued his hike back towards his house just like he was strolling on that bridge. But I also know all the reasons why this doesn't make sense, Locals would have identified him by now, no known association to victims, nobody saw anything etc. With that said, I always seem to think that the simplest answer tends to be the most accurate.

Who would be most likely to be at these trails during the week? Local person IMO

Who would know the area? Local person IMO

Who would know the private properties and homeowners habbits/ when they could get in and out? Local person IMO

Who would know best route to get in and out/where to park/where to go to walk away/paths through private property? Local person IMO

The only logical assumption I can make is if it was a Cyber crime and this person knew that these victims liked to go to these trails and he set up trial runs in order to scope this location. But in my opinion he would still be 1 either local, or semi local, as maybe his job put him in this area quite often for work.

sorry for the jumbled novel, just trying to put my 20 threads worth of reading into cognitive thoughts. all in MOO

Interesting thoughts!

What time did they die?
What time were they on the Moron Bridge? What's the typical amount of time a pedophile spends with children after abduction?

If they walked 3/4 of a mile from first threat to location of attack and murder, how does that change the timeline? When was sunset? How long would it take him to walk out of the park?

If the timeline can be better narrowed down, it will be easier for people who suspect someone, but would'n'tsay it out loud, to ask about more specific times. Nobody wants to accidentally report the wrong person, because that can and has resulted in wrongful convictions. An accountable time line might produce a tip that matters.

 

[Jill1124]

I believe the attack was sexually motivated...not a ritual of any kind. He attacked them with that in mind and then killed them...or they would not have been missing their clothes...


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Where has it been reported that they were "missing their clothes"? Could you share a link to that fact?