IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #59

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I never said it was proof it is my opinion.

If it was evident that the homicide didn't occur at the discovery location, its highly unlikeky LE overlooked checking unsecured adjacent outbuildings in pursuit of the actual murder location until over a month later. MOO
 
Anyone who saw Libbys SC photo at 2.07 p.m. would know they were there in addition to family members.

But you would have to be in the area as BG photo was at 2.30pm so it's highly doubtful they saw the photo and then thought they would go and catch the girls and murder them IMO
 
Lyric and Elizabeth were abducted in July, school would have been out for summer vacation for awhile by then. However the dates of the crimes are freakishly mirrored.

Iowa: 7-13-12 Delphi: 2-13-17 Let that soak in a minute..

Holy crap!! You're right, they're EXACTLY mirrored!! I knew they had numbers in common but exact same numbers only backwards? What are the mathematical probabilities of two sets of 5 numbers being mirrored exactly... I mean I really want to know the answer to that question!

IMO
 
Lyric and Elizabeth were abducted in July, school would have been out for summer vacation for awhile by then. However the dates of the crimes are freakishly mirrored.

Iowa: 7-13-12 Delphi: 2-13-17 Let that soak in a minute..

Blimey :thinking: that is a little bit spooky.
 
Lyric and Elizabeth were abducted in July, school would have been out for summer vacation for awhile by then. However the dates of the crimes are freakishly mirrored.

Iowa: 7-13-12 Delphi: 2-13-17 Let that soak in a minute..

I'm super duper dyslexic.. :facepalm: so I had to look at the numbers like 3 times before I was sure they were exactly mirrored. When I saw that they were I bet I looked like my eyes were about to pop out of my head. LOL. Wow. Seriously.
 
I am trying to find the answer to that question, but math and numbers aren't one of my strong points. It sounds like, from Googling, that it has to do with something called "probability theory"?
 
If it was evident that the homicide didn't occur at the discovery location, its highly unlikeky LE overlooked checking unsecured adjacent outbuildings in pursuit of the actual murder location until over a month later. MOO
Well we'll have to wait until an arrest and trial for those details. Till then we can have differing opinions.
 
Holy crap!! You're right, they're EXACTLY mirrored!! I knew they had numbers in common but exact same numbers only backwards? What are the mathematical probabilities of two sets of 5 numbers being mirrored exactly... I mean I really want to know the answer to that question!

IMO
In the UK the dates would be written
13.2.17 and 13.7.12 so they are only mirrored with the US date format. It is still weird though.
 
BogLed, i'd sent your number mirroring tip in to LE.
I almost plotzed when i read your post.
 
Holy crap!! You're right, they're EXACTLY mirrored!! I knew they had numbers in common but exact same numbers only backwards? What are the mathematical probabilities of two sets of 5 numbers being mirrored exactly... I mean I really want to know the answer to that question!

IMO

I have no idea about probabilities. I'm horrible with numbers .but anyways this bizzare coincidence is one of the reasons I think the cases are probably connected. Somewhere many threads back, Otto compiled a list of all the similarities. I will try to dig it up
 
But if they were so 'outdoorsy types, why were they driven there and had an appointment to be picked up? Why not walk all the way there? The park was in walking distance of one of the girl's homes. I don't get why they were driven there if they just wanted to enjoy the nice weather. I am not trying to say that that shouldn't have been driven there. I just don;t understand it.
If they only had a couple hours, it makes sense to me that they wouldn't want to waste half of it walking to and from the place they wanted to spend the time. I'm sure there are much more interesting things to photograph along the trail and around the bridge than on the streets leading there. MOO

So if it was her backyard, why were they driven there and dropped off? Were you driven to your backyard? I don't get that part of it.
In addition to what MistyWaters said about her possibly having a bag of some kind with her at the house: I know I'd never consider having one of my sons' friends spend the night, and drop them off 1/4-1/2 mile from home to walk alone. As long as they were picking up Libby, it makes sense that they'd also pick up Abby whether she was returning with them or not. MOO
 
From LE. They said 70 subpoenas (which I have been told would be for stuff like phone and employment records.) And 15 search warrants when they updated the number at a later date. Some of the search warrant locations (about 4 of them) are in the case map but the majority we don't know where they were.
To obtain phone records in criminal cases, law enforcement must get a search warrant from a judge, who must determine that there is probable cause to believe the target has committed a crime.

http://articles.latimes.com/2002/sep/06/local/me-onthelaw6
 
To obtain phone records in criminal cases, law enforcement must get a search warrant from a judge, who must determine that there is probable cause to believe the target has committed a crime.

http://articles.latimes.com/2002/sep/06/local/me-onthelaw6

I might be misunderstanding the laws, but I believe it depends on what information you want. In this case, LG's guardians (grandparents, I believe) can allow access to her phone and whatever records they have. From there, LE would just need a subpoena to access the names and addresses of the account holders of any numbers found on the phone or in the records. In order to check the gps/locations of those numbers at the time the calls were made would require a search warrant.

If I have that wrong, I'm sure someone more knowledgeable about it will correct me. MOO
 
To obtain phone records in criminal cases, law enforcement must get a search warrant from a judge, who must determine that there is probable cause to believe the target has committed a crime.

http://articles.latimes.com/2002/sep/06/local/me-onthelaw6
Well the search at RLs involved dogs which wouldn't be needed for phone records. I don't know what any of the search warrants were for and a poster tried to get copies but they are all sealed apparently.
 
I have no idea about probabilities. I'm horrible with numbers .but anyways this bizzare coincidence is one of the reasons I think the cases are probably connected. Somewhere many threads back, Otto compiled a list of all the similarities. I will try to dig it up

Yeah if you find it I'd be super interested in seeing it!! :)
 
But you would have to be in the area as BG photo was at 2.30pm so it's highly doubtful they saw the photo and then thought they would go and catch the girls and murder them IMO
Someone could have also seen them being dropped off or have arranged to meet them via an app.
 
If it was evident that the homicide didn't occur at the discovery location, its highly unlikeky LE overlooked checking unsecured adjacent outbuildings in pursuit of the actual murder location until over a month later. MOO
What do you think they were searching for with dogs at RL's over a month later?
 
What do you think they were searching for with dogs at RL's over a month later?
We don't know the COD, if blood was involved from the girls they could have been looking for clothing that was hidden, if a knife was used dogs might be able to locate it if hidden. We don't really know what they were looking for. The bodies of those girls didn't necessarily have to have been in a different location, dead or alive, that they were searching.
 
Again, I don't know what you mean. We know who dropped them off and what is this "gap" and RL that you're on about?

There are other ppl that were there. Whomever was supposed to get them.
Others that have property there.
The neighbor
Family members.
Sex offenders.
Ppl that looked like BG.

And them came RL.
Because they were found on his property.

There is a lot of in between here that we have no idea what went on.

The silence has me curious
 
I have no idea about probabilities. I'm horrible with numbers .but anyways this bizzare coincidence is one of the reasons I think the cases are probably connected. Somewhere many threads back, Otto compiled a list of all the similarities. I will try to dig it up

Great sleuthing! Bravo! :great::yourock::websleuther:
 
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