IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #72

[ImnoSherlock]

the idea she doesn't remember the doctor appointment yet she drove him the next day is ridiculous. he wants her to give him an alibi, so she is saying she cant remember. thats my take. remember haleigh cummings? lets remember that this woman was married to a RSO, living out of a car with him and her children.

A woman who has been violently abused, destroyed, and controlled by a sociopath can be unflinchingly loyal ( look at Manson's girls). So I'm not going to put too much stock in him being at that appointment that day.

sounds to me like she won't say he wasn't there, not that she can't remember

Anyone that saw her original FB wouldn't put much stock in him being at that appointment neither. She also said she is a victim of her own choices.

 

[Boxer]

Most clinics have video now. So that will be reviewed - hopefully kept that long.

 

[Arubagirl7]

Could be. Let's hear confirmation if there really was a dr appointment on the 13th (not to mention
confirmation if he attended the appointment).

LE will be confirming the info, I'm sure.

jmo

I think that LE would need to subpoena KN’s medical record from 2/13 directly from the facility where she had the ultrasound in order to accurately determine the time that the procedure was done. They also may be able to determine the time she checked in as well. I doubt that the report would indicate who was present with her, and I think it unlikely that a staff member would remember. And by law, I don’t know if a staff member could violate her
Privacy to speak on that matter. I’m not sure about that. I think it may be possible that a technician or physician may have made some notes, eg “results reviewed with patient and husband.”

The fact that KN does not recognize the clothes of BG as those her husband would wear means nothing IMO. Why would someone try to disguise himself in his own clothes? Although, I think that BG may have intended to expose himself and scare the girls, I think the murder was a sudden act in a fit of rage.

 

[Arubagirl7]

The baby was born 4/30/2017. Than means that conception was around August 7th.
Her first ultrasound should have been done between16 and 20 weeks.
That would make her first ultrasound where you find out the baby's gender and whether the baby has normal anatomy somewhere around 11/13 to 12/10.
Ultrasounds after that are usually seem to be due to a risk cause.

But we don’t know if she had a typical prenatal course. The ultrasound on 2/13 may have been her one and only.

 

[Arubagirl7]

Most clinics have video now. So that will be reviewed - hopefully kept that long.

What type of video do you mean? Survelliance video on the outside of the building? . Or video of the patient having a procedure?

 

[Jabarn]

I think that LE would need to subpoena KN’s medical record from 2/13 directly from the facility where she had the ultrasound in order to accurately determine the time that the procedure was done. They also may be able to determine the time she checked in as well. I doubt that the report would indicate who was present with her, and I think it unlikely that a staff member would remember. And by law, I don’t know if a staff member could violate her
Privacy to speak on that matter. I’m not sure about that. I think it may be possible that a technician or physician may have made some notes, eg “results reviewed with patient and husband.”

The fact that KN does not recognize the clothes of BG as those her husband would wear means nothing IMO. Why would someone try to disguise himself in his own clothes? Although, I think that BG may have intended to expose himself and scare the girls, I think the murder was a sudden act in a fit of rage.

I think the BG was on high alert for any opportunity. I have felt strongly he was a wolf stalking the innocent for his own purposes. I will say, she is minimizing her involvement, although she blurrily points the guilty finger at her husband at the same time. Hopefully, there will be more information tomorrow.

 

[Rossymom]

Can her FB posts from 2/13 be brought into play in a court room?
Yes, I know we are not to sleuth her or share data from her FB account.
I am just curious if we could see that happen in court, because there is a post regarding her appointment.

 

[Boxer]

But we don’t know if she had a typical prenatal course. The ultrasound on 2/13 may have been her one and only.

True - I am assuming she is getting social services along with her medical care -- I mean that she would be seeing the obstetrician as a medicaid patient. Good notes should be taken.

 

[Boxer]

I want to say DN gets out of jail. She could rightfully be frightened - his sentence may end up being 6 months.

 

[ImnoSherlock]

Can her FB posts from 2/13 be brought into play in a court room?
Yes, I know we are not to sleuth her or share data from her FB account.
I am just curious if we could see that happen in court, because there is a post regarding her appointment.

I'm sure the fuzz can bring into play whatever they want if it helps them out.

 

[mtnlites]

This raises a red flag for me you would know for definite if your significant other was at your ultrasound or not. This is a memorable occasion you’re not likely to forget in my opinion.

It's hard to say. I've had 3 kids. With high risk pregnancies, I had ultrasounds every 4-6 weeks throughout all pregnancies. Unless something specific happened at the appointment (gender was revealed, I passed gas on the examination table, doctor was 2 hours late, we went out to lunch afterwards) I couldn't tell you if my husband was there or not.

 

[mrtnira]

I'm sure the fuzz can bring into play whatever they want if it helps them out.

The posts should be usable by authorities. They would be a publicly accessible record without special protections.

 

[mtnlites]

Most clinics have video now. So that will be reviewed - hopefully kept that long.

I would be hesitant to say that "most" clinics have video cameras now. It is important to balance video surveillance with HIPPA regulations. It is illegal for a doctor's office or physician to videotape a patient's examination unless they get explicit, signed, consent from the patient. Video surveillance IS allowed, but there are still certain laws pertaining to it. For the most part, they can only be used to catch illegal activity, such as breaking and entering, and are therefore mounted on the exterior of the building. Many only record in 48-hour blocks and then start over on a loop. I would be VERY surprised if a small town clinic still had surveillance tape after 8+ months on hand-if they had video surveillance at all. I have a chronic, progressive medical condition and I see a different specialist several times a month (cardiologist, pain management specialist, rhuematologist, gastroenterologist, ENT, orthopedist, and neurologist) and only one of those has a video camera and that's because they're located in a big office building with many other businesses inside, including a credit union.

 

[Justice101]

Following new thread.....

 

[Boxer]

I would be hesitant to say that "most" clinics have video cameras now. It is important to balance video surveillance with HIPPA regulations. It is illegal for a doctor's office or physician to videotape a patient's examination unless they get explicit, signed, consent from the patient. Video surveillance IS allowed, but there are still certain laws pertaining to it. For the most part, they can only be used to catch illegal activity, such as breaking and entering, and are therefore mounted on the exterior of the building. Many only record in 48-hour blocks and then start over on a loop. I would be VERY surprised if a small town clinic still had surveillance tape after 8+ months on hand-if they had video surveillance at all. I have a chronic, progressive medical condition and I see a different specialist several times a month (cardiologist, pain management specialist, rhuematologist, gastroenterologist, ENT, orthopedist, and neurologist) and only one of those has a video camera and that's because they're located in a big office building with many other businesses inside, including a credit union.

Well - you may well be right, and that means there will be no video. The 'tape' is really data and that probably wont be run over possibly is be for a long time.
It would be to DNs advantage to have a video of him in Martinsville on the afternoon of 2/13. LE could return to using all their resources to concentrate on their other leads.

 

[minazoe]

these poor detectives must be tearing their hair out..this is a case so disturbing it's not spoken of, the death details on the girls has never been leaked, not a word, not a suggestion..full lock down. The whole town of Delphi must have to experience nearly unreasonable fear and the ugly negative energy of something so evil it takes on a life of it's own.

Fathers, daughters, mothers and daughters , every woman and man

These detectives must be frustrated, frazzled and on fire to have this settled.

MOO

 

[georgiajean]

I can't figure out why she gave that interview. I'm guessing she doesn't have counsel? Or, as you said, distancing herself.

I wish she'd jog her memory about that Feb 13 appointment.

JMO

I am reminded of one of the big reasons people stay in abusive, horrible relationships and situations: They don't believe they have value or are worth better.
So I'm thinking that the attention being received right now might feel very good, and cause one to get a bit stronger. At the same time, there's that nagging anxiety about the future....."what if he gets out, and hears what I've said? What is he going to do?" Which might explain walking the fence and not committing one way or the other. JMO completely.

 

[deedee21]

She should have been asked if she could imagine he would swing a hatchet at people on a trail?
And can she picture him trying to get into a strangers car to assault them?

She knows his history. Hes violent. Hes a loose cannon. His behavior is why he could not keep a roof over their heads and food on the table.
She would of been better off moving into a shelter for battered women.

 

[deedee21]

DN could have used her car with or without her permission. May not be something shes wants to admit. Not unheard of for him.
Some of her answers are vague. Technique used to distance yourself from the truth. Talking from both sides of her mouth.

 

[Rallibella]

Hi, everyone. My laptop died so am just now getting online. I take it we're still just waiting?