IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #73

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I thought DN and KN were evicted from the Pig Farm in Oct. 2015.
I'm not sure of the name of the pig farm owners because they didn't want to give their name. However working at a pig farm was given as an example of why DN could be familiar with Delphi and Indiana Packers as he possibly accompanied pigs to be slaughtered. Also, as he was a RSO and IP hires RSO's that is another reason he may be familiar with Delphi.
 
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It has neither been confirmed nor denied that the girls were victims of a SA. At this point, with the information we have through MSM and LE, whether DN or whomever BG turns out to be has a history of SA on his record is irrelevant.
Thank You!
I keep seeing it mentioned when we have no idea if that's even appropriate. It's been creepy.
 
Yes but it is 2 hours from Martinsville pig farm so further than Delphi is which is only 1hr 20 mins .
So he had access to 2 cars in Feb, now I want to find out if and where DN was working in February. KN said he came with her to Hospital visits if he wasn't working or took days off if he was working. Shouldn't the SO registry show his place of work in February 2017? I found him on the Morgan county RSO list but could not see a work address shown. Has anyone already looked at that?

It should show a work address.. unless he didn’t have a permanent job which is what I think.

He could have worked day laborer ( under the table or self employed contractor) in construction or farming.

I know a construction company owner who goes to homeless shelters and camps and hires people to help him. Pays them cash , provides transportation , meals etc.


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I wasn't speaking of DN, didn't even mention him in my post. I was referencing the murders of Abby and Libby in my post.

To answer your question, what do I think of DN breaking KN's nose? Of course I think it's terrible. Choking her? Awful. He should be locked up for a very long time. My opinions on how he treated KN have no relevance on how I feel about his involvement in the Delphi murders, however. I don't think he had any.
I wasn't speaking about DN in my first sentence either. In the rest of my post I was asking if you thought the violence from DN was an escalation.(from exposing himself/SA). I wasn't talking about his involvement in the murders.
 
I wasn't speaking of DN, didn't even mention him in my post. I was referencing the murders of Abby and Libby in my post.

To answer your question, what do I think of DN breaking KN's nose? Of course I think it's terrible. Choking her? Awful. He should be locked up for a very long time. My opinions on how he treated KN have no relevance on how I feel about his involvement in the Delphi murders, however. I don't think he had any.
Great post, not jumping on a bandwagon does not equal thinking DN's actual criminal history is okay. I'm talking documented criminal history not the conjecture flying around.
It really gets lost that not ready to convict and hang the guy for murder has nothing to do with being ok with his history. I'm not okay with it.
 
Wow, this is starting to sound like deja vu with the RL threads.
 
I'm sorry but this is irresponsible so we can now accuse random co workers of murder?
I think we can as we aren't naming anyone. It's similar to saying BG was a transient or a truck driver isn't it?
 
Great post, not jumping on a bandwagon does not equal thinking DN's actual criminal history is okay. I'm talking documented criminal history not the conjecture flying around.
It really gets lost that not ready to convict and hang the guy for murder has nothing to do with being ok with his history. I'm not okay with it.
Please see my response to the post.
 
Great post, not jumping on a bandwagon does not equal thinking DN's actual criminal history is okay. I'm talking documented criminal history not the conjecture flying around.
It really gets lost that not ready to convict and hang the guy for murder has nothing to do with being ok with his history. I'm not okay with it.

Exactly. There is no correlation between not thinking he's BG and being "okay" with DN's criminal history. I might not think there's enough evidence to prove that he killed Abby and Libby but that doesn't mean that I am "pro DN" and that I don't think he's a criminal. I can still think he's a scary guy to be around, someone who deserves significant jail time for his various crimes, and yet think he probably didn't have anything to do with the Delphi crimes.
 
I think we can as we aren't naming anyone. It's similar to saying BG was a transient or a truck driver isn't it?

Not really seeing the similarity. Saying that BG could be a transient or truck driver and speculating on his job title, to me, isn't quite the same as implying that a person that DN worked with could have been an active participant in a murder just because DN didn't have a license (or a vehicle at the time). In one case, we're speculating on career title. In another, we're speculating on specific people at a specific place of business simply because they worked with DN (and for no other reason other than the fact that they are employed there). We don't know much of anything about DN's co-workers so I can see how folks would be uncomfortable with that conjecture. Of course, this is all subjective.
 
Possible things to check:
Where/if DN was working in Feb 2017?
Did he have familiarity with Delphi via acquaintances or work?
How far was the furthest he travelled to commit an offence?
Did he ever travel to or work for IP?
Possible sources
RSO registers
MSM
SM
Court records
 
Thank You!
I keep seeing it mentioned when we have no idea if that's even appropriate. It's been creepy.


You’re welcome! and I completely agree about the inappropriateness.

I’m still on the fence with DN. Until I have evidence he was not in Delphi on February 13, it’s possible that he was. Some things point to him, some things point away. A lot of circumstantial evidence can be spun for either argument. Answers to questions bring more questions.

I have a huge problem with DN being called “a violent sex offender” (posted yesterday upstream) and DN being automatically ruled out as BG because he has “no sexual assault history” (posted today upstream). Two extreme ends of the same line. I’ll say it again. We need to stick with what few facts we have.

DN, as far as MSM and LE have informed us, does not have a history of being “a violent sex offender”. We also do not know from MSM or LE whether the girls were SA or not. Any SA history or lack thereof in the background of a potential BG POI is irrelevant unless we know for sure if the girls were SA or if a SA attempt was made on them. If BG murdered them in a rage, the SA card might not even come into play.

I have no sympathy for DN’s past offenses. Whether or not he is BG, I think he’s going to be tied up in the legal system for quite a while. I also don’t want to see him railroaded for murdering the girls if he is not BG or an accomplice. That would mean the real BG is free to strike again.

I won’t jump on the DN-is-BG bandwagon because I was appalled by the RL-is-BG bandwagon last spring. I also won’t say DN is so not BG because there are too many unanswered questions. For example where on earth was DN on February 13? KN can’t remember for sure and allegedly (see upstream) was looking for him mid-afternoon that day. Until he is accounted for, it cannot be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was or was not in Delphi. There are ways DN could have learned about the trails and bridge and ways he could have gotten to Delphi. Many have been mentioned already in this thread so I won’t recap. It’s equally as likely DN never knew about the Monon High Bridge or the trail system leading to it before he and KN saw the news about the murders.

(As an aside since my train of thought derailed while typing, if someone drove whomever is BG to or from Delphi why wouldn’t they report it? Maybe they weren’t supposed to be driving. Maybe they have one or more parole violations. Maybe they have one or more outstanding warrants. We all saw what happened to RL and know where he is for his parole violations.)

There have been other cases where all the evidence points to one person and it just HAS to be that person. Then you find out, oh, no, wait.... that person is proven innocent and it’s this other guy over here that no one suspected.

If the answers LE is discovering only lead them to more questions, it’s no wonder this case is taking so long to sort out.

No matter who BG ends up being, this case is not going to be a slam dunk, even with the video and audio from Libby’s phone. If it was it would already be solved.
 
I agree 100% with the SA being thwarted & BG killing them out of anger. MOO


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How on earth could the girls keep him from assaulting them but not from killing them? Jmo that might be wishful thinking. Especially as do not know if they were, or were not sexually assaulted. Jmo
 
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How on earth could the girls keep him from assaulting them but not from killing them? Jmo that might be wishful thinking. Especially as do not know if they were, or were not sexually assaulted. Jmo

I think they tried to run, one got caught and he coerced the other, angry, the killer just killed them.
 
You’re welcome! and I completely agree about the inappropriateness.

I’m still on the fence with DN. Until I have evidence he was not in Delphi on February 13, it’s possible that he was. Some things point to him, some things point away. A lot of circumstantial evidence can be spun for either argument. Answers to questions bring more questions.

I have a huge problem with DN being called “a violent sex offender” (posted yesterday upstream) and DN being automatically ruled out as BG because he has “no sexual assault history” (posted today upstream). Two extreme ends of the same line. I’ll say it again. We need to stick with what few facts we have.

DN, as far as MSM and LE have informed us, does not have a history of being “a violent sex offender”. We also do not know from MSM or LE whether the girls were SA or not. Any SA history or lack thereof in the background of a potential BG POI is irrelevant unless we know for sure if the girls were SA or if a SA attempt was made on them. If BG murdered them in a rage, the SA card might not even come into play.

I have no sympathy for DN’s past offenses. Whether or not he is BG, I think he’s going to be tied up in the legal system for quite a while. I also don’t want to see him railroaded for murdering the girls if he is not BG or an accomplice. That would mean the real BG is free to strike again.

I won’t jump on the DN-is-BG bandwagon because I was appalled by the RL-is-BG bandwagon last spring. I also won’t say DN is so not BG because there are too many unanswered questions. For example where on earth was DN on February 13? KN can’t remember for sure and allegedly (see upstream) was looking for him mid-afternoon that day. Until he is accounted for, it cannot be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was or was not in Delphi. There are ways DN could have learned about the trails and bridge and ways he could have gotten to Delphi. Many have been mentioned already in this thread so I won’t recap. It’s equally as likely DN never knew about the Monon High Bridge or the trail system leading to it before he and KN saw the news about the murders.

(As an aside since my train of thought derailed while typing, if someone drove whomever is BG to or from Delphi why wouldn’t they report it? Maybe they weren’t supposed to be driving. Maybe they have one or more parole violations. Maybe they have one or more outstanding warrants. We all saw what happened to RL and know where he is for his parole violations.)

There have been other cases where all the evidence points to one person and it just HAS to be that person. Then you find out, oh, no, wait.... that person is proven innocent and it’s this other guy over here that no one suspected.

If the answers LE is discovering only lead them to more questions, it’s no wonder this case is taking so long to sort out.

No matter who BG ends up being, this case is not going to be a slam dunk, even with the video and audio from Libby’s phone. If it was it would already be solved.
Excellent post. I agree with everything you said.

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How on earth could the girls keep him from assaulting them but not from killing them? Jmo that might be wishful thinking. Especially as do not know if they were, or were not sexually assaulted. Jmo

By sexually assaulting them after he killed them.
Not necessarily with something that would leave DNA.
If they were in fact sexually assaulted.IMO
 
How on earth could the girls keep him from assaulting them but not from killing them? Jmo that might be wishful thinking. Especially as do not know if they were, or were not sexually assaulted. Jmo
Thwarted by being disturbed in some way or by them running away, yelling screaming across Creek or hearing people calling or by them fighting or whatever. MOO
 
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