IN - Aliahna Maroney Lemmon, 9, Fort Wayne, 23 Dec 2011 - #5

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passionflower said:
He said Aliahna's sisters were asleep on the floor, and Aliahna was sleeping in her grandfather's recliner.

"I brushed the hair back off her forehead and gave her a kiss and sat down and smoked my cigar, and I went to sleep about 6:30," he said. "I sleep on the couch. You know, they're not my kids. I'm not gonna sleep in the same bed as someone else's kids. And they all want to sleep together, so we all just sleep in the livingroom and watch tv together
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20111231/LOCAL/111239903
you must read all!
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Confess to a little....

Gag.

Can we get a group rate on barf bags?
 
Noway said:
Such an experienced liar -- able to convince them all with the right touches of distress -- it really makes me wonder about other victims.
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This is one of the reasons I am balking when folks come down so hard on the family members. This person is quite accomplished at lying. I can see where even people who've been used and abused would listen to his soothing words and actually think, "What a breath of fresh air! Finally, someone kind and generous and caring."

I see the term "sociopath" thrown around on this site freely when it really doesn't apply. But this, my friends...this guy is the poster child for sociopath, in my humble opinion.
 
ClaireNC said:
Really? The 13 year old was the daughter of a woman the Plumadore was living with. There were no custody issues. MP was not the father but just a live-in boyfriend of the mother.
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I understand. My point was only in speculation of why the mom did not pursue criminal action. I hope it wasn't because the girl's parents had a contentuous relationship and the civil court suspected the mom might be accusing dad's friend in order to limit or stop visitation. The civil courts get bogged down with lots of bogus claims and false accusations and it angers me because I think valid claims sometimes don't get enough focus. I don't for one minute think that the claim was false in this case, just wondering what deterred the mom from filing a criminal case and why the civil court didn't push it harder if they couldn't take any action to address her claim in family court.

BTW, Plumadore wasn't a live-in boyfriend of the mother. He was a friend (roommate)of the girl's father. I would think the family court would keep the girl from visiting her father unsupervised or without at least issuing a mandate that Plumadore not have any access or interface with the girl. Instead, it seems they told mom to take it to the police. It stopped there, as far as we know. Maybe there's more to the story than was published. In any case, we know what Plumadore did to another little girl not long afterwards. Trying to make some sense of how Ali ended up in the hands of predators at least 3 times and why Plumadore wasn't pursued when he was accused of stalking a child. Terrible chain of events...
 
What did he find so special about Aliahna that he would keep himself in check for her?
That comment really bugs me. But makes me really think she was his "special little girl".
 
Ladylub said:
What did he find so special about Aliahna that he would keep himself in check for her?
That comment really bugs me. But makes me really think she was his "special little girl".
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Maybe she was his money maker.:furious:
 
my_tee_mouse said:
This is one of the reasons I am balking when folks come down so hard on the family members. This person is quite accomplished at lying. I can see where even people who've been used and abused would listen to his soothing words and actually think, "What a breath of fresh air! Finally, someone kind and generous and caring."

I see the term "sociopath" thrown around on this site freely when it really doesn't apply. But this, my friends...this guy is the poster child for sociopath, in my humble opinion.
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I am sitting on my hands when it comes to saying anything about the family. It will earn me a one way ticket to you-know-where.

The living situation the mom put her kids in -- IIRC 15 of 24 trailers there housed registered sexual offenders (how many of those violators involved victims who were children? and how many of those "other" RSOs had friends ("registered" or not) who had a liking for children?

I don't know any adults with kids in that trailer park sleep at night. It's a snake pit. IMO
 
Let those who need to join Cubby and Madilu in their mutual hand-sitting mouth covering ...

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Wish I could have quoted this to put it here. It brought much-needed smile to my face as I tried to picture this Websleuths version of Twister.
 
ClaireNC said:
Really? The 13 year old was the daughter of a woman the Plumadore was living with. There were no custody issues. MP was not the father but just a live-in boyfriend of the mother.
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MP was not a boyfriend to the mother. MP lived with the FATHER of the child and it is unknown how he knew the father.
 
yllek said:
I totally agree SuziQ, that's what's frustrating to me. For some reason a criminal case wasn't pursued, though a crime was clearly committed. I don't know if the sexting pics were kept or not. I don't know if the mom was advised that it would be a hard case to prove and a difficult situation to put her daughter through, or if mom reached some kind of agreement in terms of limited visitation or assurance that MP would not be there, or exactly what. I just wish it hadn't stopped there.

For some reason, family/civil court advised mom to pursue a criminal case and something deterred her from following through. I wish the civil court saw fewer false complaints so that they could focus more on encouraging and helping parents in these circumstances to pursue criminal recourse.
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There are definitely questions that need to be answered.
 
I know families like this one. I've worked in conjunction with CPS for many years. Each jurisdiction has their own rules, guidelines and belief system IMO.

I've worked with many families who run from state to state (or city to city) because well CPS won't do anything or can't. And sometimes it's the judge will side with the parent because they've "made improvements." I get so frustrated with the system but I try to instill in each child/teen I work with that someone out there cares for them and will fight for them even if there is legally nothing I can do. The system is broken but the good social workers are out there.

Ali has really affected me. I just bet Mom ran from Iowa and CPS couldn't prevent it or they did it in the middle of the night. I pray her sisters are with a good foster family.

JMO
 
Noway said:
I am sitting on my hands when it comes to saying anything about the family. It will earn me a one way ticket to you-know-where.

The living situation the mom put her kids in -- IIRC 15 of 24 trailers there housed registered sexual offenders (how many of those violators involved victims who were children? and how many of those "other" RSOs had friends ("registered" or not) who had a liking for children?

I don't know any adults with kids in that trailer park sleep at night. It's a snake pit. IMO
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There's the thing...we look at little girls and get so angry when we see that they've been groomed. But when those groomed little girls grow up and have absolutely no concept of what is right and wrong...we condemn them? At what moment does the magic wand get waved over these "groomed little girls" that turns them into mothers who have any sense about how to protect their own? And no, it is not necessarily waved when we groomed little girls become mothers. And yes, I said we.

Unless and until someone presents proof that this mother...whose father was a RSO...whose mother herself is obviously easily snookered...offered up her daughter...unless and until someone can show me that this mother at some point got that this person who obviously knows what to say and when to say it to sway people his way...and turned her daughter over anyway...unless and until someone can show me that this mother does not have bona fide medical issues that added to the eddy of incidents that led to this horrible, deplorable conclusion...then I absolutely refuse to condemn this woman.
 
During the initial hearing, a not guilty plea will likely be entered on Plumadore's behalf until an attorney is able to review the case with him.

Plumadore will also be advised of his rights to representation at that time. He'll be able to retain a private attorney if financially able. If not, a public offender will be appointed to his case.

http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/Whats-Next-For-Michael-Plumadore-136435843.html

BBM

Freudian slip by the writer of the article?

Note: just kidding; I found the mis-wording amusing. I believe all defendants deserve legal representation and hope Plumadore's counsel is adequate; no appeals on the basis of incomptetent counsel if he is found guilty.
 
my_tee_mouse said:
There's the thing...we look at little girls and get so angry when we see that they've been groomed. But when those groomed little girls grow up and have absolutely no concept of what is right and wrong...we condemn them? At what moment does the magic wand get waved over these "groomed little girls" that turns them into mothers who have any sense about how to protect their own? And no, it is not necessarily waved when we groomed little girls become mothers. And yes, I said we.

Unless and until someone presents proof that this mother...whose father was a RSO...whose mother herself is obviously easily snookered...offered up her daughter...unless and until someone can show me that this mother at some point got that this person who obviously knows what to say and when to say it to sway people his way...and turned her daughter over anyway...unless and until someone can show me that this mother does not have bona fide medical issues that added to the eddy of incidents that led to this horrible, deplorable conclusion...then I absolutely refuse to condemn this woman.
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Most survivors know what happened to them is wrong and not only that they refuse to allow their children to be exposed to the horrors they were. It's a myth that everyone who is abused will go on to abuse. I am an example that that is not true. In fac,t my experience has made me more aware and able to spot sociopaths and other creeps easier. Mom has no excuse. None.
 
FWIW and my MOO, a victim stops being a victim the moment they become a perp.
 
SuziQ said:
Most survivors know what happened to them is wrong and not only that they refuse to allow their children to be exposed to the horrors they were. It's a myth that everyone who is abused will go on to abuse. I am an example that that is not true. In fac,t my experience has made me more aware and able to spot sociopaths and other creeps easier. Mom has no excuse. None.
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I agree with you about MOST survivors. And in my case I was very protective of my kids. But I only had one abuser in my environment. And it was top secret, a toxic secret, because no one else in my family would have allowed ti to continue. In fact one of the reasons I never told on him was because I knew my father would have killed my uncle if he had found out about it. At least it seemed possible in my young mind.

But there are some girls who grow up in an entire family of abusers and in a web of sickness and deceit, where it is condoned. Not only condoned, but highly valued. And IF Ali's mother grew up that way, then I will give her some sympathy because if so, she is truly damaged.
 
twall said:
Last updated: December 31, 2011 6:59 p.m.

Face to face with Michael Plumadore

On Christmas Day – before Plumadore had told investigators they could find Aliahna's body parts in his freezer and in the trash bin of a nearby business – I sat down with him in an aging but well-kept mobile home, where Aliahna's deceased grandfather used to live.

"I have a real massive and bad temper, but I've kept it in check because of Ailey," he said, using Aliahna's nickname.

However, he acknowledged losing his cool while investigators were interviewing him.

"When the FBI and stuff like that did an investigation, they tried that good cop, bad cop. They tried to put me in the category of an evil person," he said with his Southern drawl. "I kind of snapped and went off and jumped out my chair and had words."

Plumadore said he eventually calmed down and offered to let investigators sample his DNA and administer a polygraph test. He said he also gave them his cellphone without hesitation.

much more at link

http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20111231/LOCAL/111239903
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Very interesting.

So he says all of them were sleeping in the living room. Why would he make a point of saying that he wouldn't sleep in the same bed as kids who weren't his?

He says that Ali was up at 2-2:30 am and wanting her mother. Ok I can actually see this happening. But he has supposedly had the kids for a week. But she suddenly in the middle of the night wants her Mommy? What suddenly made her homesick? What suddenly made her want her Mommy?

He says nothing about what was happening for the next 4 hours. But he allegedly was up all night. At 6 am, he is headed for the store for a cigar? Was that a post coital smoke?

I was trying to think of the reactions/responses of a 9 year old girl. This wouldn't be your typical 9 year old in some ways. Previously molested, with the perp now in jail. So she knew about the justice system, she knew if she complained that he could be arrested. I'm thinking at some point she may have told him she would tell, and that he would go to jail.

She was allegedly killed outside on the steps. Did he tell her she could go home in order to get her outside and keep from waking the 6 year olds? Did he drag her out there? Or did she attempt to run away from him? If so why didn't she try to run while he was at the store? Or was she still really alive by that time?

Perps often give little bits of truths in telling their 'revised' stories. They hope that will help them to remember the details of what they tell, by keeping it as true as possible and only changing incriminating details.

The most interesting thing to me was that it was his idea to tell the 'perp' to send a letter telling what happened or where she was. I think if he hadn't been arrested, hadn't been found out he might actually have done that. Might have later sent a letter, though it is hard to say what he would have written to them.
 
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