IN - Grandfather charged in cruise ship death of toddler Chloe Wiegand #3

[drama_farmer]

Winkleman Website, w App for Cruise Ship Injuries
At lipcon.com homepage, scroll down to see the firm's handy dandy app for your phone, available for downloading BEFORE your cruise. Did parents download app before their cruise?

"Download Our Free Cruise Ship Injury App
Our legal team has developed a unique iPhone and Android-compatible application designed to help you when you need a maritime lawyer the most. Download our exclusive application and bring it with you on your smartphone or tablet on your next cruise vacation. Our app allows you to easily store and retain everything you might need to present to a lawyer:

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  • Capture and record data and photos about your accident or injuries

• 
  
  
  • Input and track injury-related expenses

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  • Review incident response checklists to help you in a cruise accident

• 
  
  
  • Find the closest medical facility

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  • Place Skype calls from your device if you are injured at sea

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  • Submit a free case evaluation form to our team.

Designed and launched exclusively by our firm, the app offers every feature you need if you are injured on your next cruise ship excursion – even a built-in flashlight if you are caught in the dark. Download it for free today." bbm

Great find! Welcome to the world of 21st century "ambulance chasing." IMO

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Winkleman Website, w App for Cruise Ship Injuries
At lipcon.com homepage, scroll down to see the firm's handy dandy app for your phone, available for downloading BEFORE your cruise. Did parents download app before their cruise?

"Download Our Free Cruise Ship Injury App
Our legal team has developed a unique iPhone and Android-compatible application designed to help you when you need a maritime lawyer the most. Download our exclusive application and bring it with you on your smartphone or tablet on your next cruise vacation. Our app allows you to easily store and retain everything you might need to present to a lawyer:

• 
  
  
  • Capture and record data and photos about your accident or injuries

• 
  
  
  • Input and track injury-related expenses

• 
  
  
  • Review incident response checklists to help you in a cruise accident

• 
  
  
  • Find the closest medical facility

• 
  
  
  • Place Skype calls from your device if you are injured at sea

• 
  
  
  • Submit a free case evaluation form to our team.

Designed and launched exclusively by our firm, the app offers every feature you need if you are injured on your next cruise ship excursion – even a built-in flashlight if you are caught in the dark. Download it for free today." bbm

How can this possibly be legal?

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Let's imagine that we could turn back the clock and close the window that Chloe was dropped from. My brain keeps circling back to the fact that a 51 year old step grandfather wanted to encourage a toddler to bang or hit a glass window. I can't imagine that would be classified as reasonable. . . regardless of the deadly outcome. IMO

Parents or caretakers who encourage children to bang on glass should be reported to Child Protective Services. I cannot believe these people thought this was ok. The father is a police officer, and you know he has taken many safety courses. WTF was everyone thinking??? JMOO

 

[sl222]

On the point about the parents not being of modest means -

IMO the mother may have been staying home with Chloe at this time. She's formerly with the prosecutor's office. The father is a police officer. So I think they are also of modest means, not well off.

 

[LietKynes]

Winkleman Website, w App for Cruise Ship Injuries
At lipcon.com homepage, scroll down to see the firm's handy dandy app for your phone, available for downloading BEFORE your cruise. Did parents download app before their cruise?

bbm

^^^ This is why there could be questions.

Since the mother is a paralegal, she'd have experience with whom to contact.
So maybe she didn't need the app ?

 

[mickey2942]

Well my opinion won't change, I completely agree with you and I unlike others see this as a terrible awful mistake.

So, this is interesting. Hypothetically, if you were selected for jury duty for this case, would you be able to view the evidence empirically? Or have you already decided that this was not negligence on the part of Anello?

That lifting up a toddler to sit on a guard railing by an open window 11 stories up is a reasonable act?

 

[al66pine]

Winkleman, Maritime Injury Attorney | Miami Cruise Accident Lawyers | LMAW, P.A "Download Our Free Cruise Ship Injury App"

How can this possibly be legal?

Those few paragraphs do not explicitly say something like "Use app to call us."
Specifically saying that, in conjunction w providing the app, might cross the line. IDK, might not.
It says:
"Our app allows you to easily store and retain everything you might need to present to a lawyer..."
bbm
I did not look at websites for FL Bar or FL SupCt for Rules or Canons on Advertising or Soliciting Clients.

 

[sl222]

A couple of facts to reiterate:

Chloe fell 150 feet. 11 stories. Some reports err and say 115 feet.

SA was at the window with Chloe for a total of 33 seconds. He peered out the window first for several seconds. Then he picked her up and stood her on the hand rail which is there for safety reasons and which is about a foot from the window. Then he sat the child on the hand rail (or the window ledge, that part is vague so far). All that according to CBS reporting on the video which they were allowed to see.

SA is only 51 years old. He refused a breathalyzer.

There is video of the event from multiple angles of what happened.

The prosecutors determined that this was negligence and they have the video from the beginning and interviewed people and also have any records from the ship (drinks if applicable).

So ask yourself how could a child fall to her death unless she was put in danger. Look at the photos of this area of the ship (posted here over and over) and ask yourself if you could mistake that this window was open 11 stories up. And look at that video of the exact area where someone goes straight up to the window. It will give you chills.

 

[mickey2942]

Winkleman, Maritime Injury Attorney | Miami Cruise Accident Lawyers | LMAW, P.A "Download Our Free Cruise Ship Injury App"

Those few paragraphs do not explicitly say something like "Use app to call us."
Specifically saying that, in conjunction w providing the app, might cross the line. IDK, might not.
It says:
"Our app allows you to easily store and retain everything you might need to present to a lawyer..."
bbm
I did not look at websites for FL Bar or FL SupCt for Rules or Canons on Advertising or Soliciting Clients.

Hmm, I must put this app on my phone if we ever go on another cruise. Excellent find.

 

[neesaki]

I would forgive him too...<<< While he was in prison, for criminal neglect resulting in manslaughter.

Same here.... and, after he owns up to what he did and asks for forgiveness. It’s called repentance. I do wonder if that’s a concept he’s familiar with.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

On the point about the parents not being of modest means -

IMO the mother may have been staying home with Chloe at this time. She's formerly with the prosecutor's office. The father is a police officer. So I think they are also of modest means, not well off.

That cruise had to have cost a lot. JMO

 

[al66pine]

Fall from 115 ft or 150 ft?
I do not know if it ^ matters, but per NY Times, 115 ft figure came from PR Atty Gen stmt, Oct 29.*
PR AG = reliable source, but there could be a translation booboo. Or plain old typo.
In posting since then, I've just said, 100+ foot fall.
Doubtful imo a fall from either height w/be survivable, except under verrrry extraordinary circumstances.
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* "Mr. Anello, 51, “negligently exposed the child to the abyss through a window on the 11th floor of the cruise ship,” Dennise N. Longo Quiñones, the Puerto Rico attorney general, and other officials said in a statement. The child fell 115 feet off the cruise ship, called Freedom of the Seas."
"On Monday, Judge Jimmy Sepulveda of the San Juan Investigation Court set bail at $80,000 for Mr. Anello, who was charged with one count of negligent homicide."
^ Grandfather Charged in Toddler’s Fatal Fall From Cruise Ship NY Times, Oct 29

 

[Aydrianna523]

A couple of facts to reiterate:

Chloe fell 150 feet. 11 stories. Some reports err and say 115 feet.

SA was at the window with Chloe for a total of 33 seconds. He peered out the window first for several seconds. Then he picked her up and stood her on the hand rail which is there for safety reasons and which is about a foot from the window. Then he sat the child on the hand rail (or the window ledge, that part is vague so far). All that according to CBS reporting on the video which they were allowed to see.

SA is only 51 years old. He refused a breathalyzer.

There is video of the event from multiple angles of what happened.

The prosecutors determined that this was negligence and they have the video from the beginning and interviewed people and also have any records from the ship (drinks if applicable).

So ask yourself how could a child fall to her death unless she was put in danger. Look at the photos of this area of the ship (posted here over and over) and ask yourself if you could mistake that this window was open 11 stories up. And look at that video of the exact area where someone goes straight up to the window. It will give you chills.

You're probably right.
I don't know why I hang on to the possibility of innocence. The Puerto Ricans probably got it right.
I do have a bit of tendency to hang onto someone's innocence too long in some cases (like kk in the frazee case).
But then I contine to think stuff like...what if he had cataracts? Sigh.
But in due time it will be resolved...

 

[Midwestmom2019]

SA's Frequent Moves?
@SuzDuJour IIRC, someone here said they counted ~ 29 moves on a public record report.
I noticed ---
--- a few addy's pre-dated 2000.
--- a couple addy's were PO boxes (one in Ohio).
--- one addy was shown twice, w same date.
--- one addy was displayed 3 times, w same date. Duplicate/erroneous entry?
Even ignoring these ^, looks like SA moved ~20 in ~ 20 yrs; mostly in South Bend/Valparaiso areas, except for a few in early/mid 2000s in Moline IL/quad city area. << per cursory glance at zip codes.

Who moves that frequently?

No steady job.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

How can this possibly be legal?

Bc potential client still has to submit the info to the firm.

 

[mickey2942]

You're probably right.
I don't know why I hang on to the possibility of innocence. The Puerto Ricans probably got it right.
I do have a bit of tendency to hang onto someone's innocence too long in some cases (like kk in the frazee case).
But then I contine to think stuff like...what if he had cataracts? Sigh.
But in due time it will be resolved...

At age 51, it is very unlikely that SA had cataracts. And even less likely that he had Age Related Macular Degeneration. Cataracts usually "ripen" and start to interfere with vision around age 65 or older. And even then, it is usually the problems with glare, fine print. Not identifying windows.

Not being argumentative. I just know quite a bit about vision loss.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

Perhaps that's why they are so insistent that Grandpa was not at fault - it they admit that he is responsible, they also have to face the fact that they entrusted their toddler to a person who, much as he loved her, does not have the judgment and common sense needed to take care of a small child.

Nope. You’re all not correct, but good guesses.
If SA found guilty, under maritime law, liability is shared, from what I have read. So their kabillion dollar case turns into half a kabillion. I can’t remember if it’s half and half, I’d have to look again. Maybe if more than half liable, other party goes free.

 

[Aydrianna523]

At age 51, it is very unlikely that SA had cataracts. And even less likely that he had Age Related Macular Degeneration. Cataracts usually "ripen" and start to interfere with vision around age 65 or older. And even then, it is usually the problems with glare, fine print. Not identifying windows.

Not being argumentative. I just know quite a bit about vision loss.

I was an odd case. I was almost legally blind by 64 with mine. It probably did start in my 50s but my optician never picked it up on it...so I just gave up trying to find a solution.
Are they hard to diagnose?

 

[scruffydog]

No steady job.

Non payment of rent..

 

[scruffydog]

So, this is interesting. Hypothetically, if you were selected for jury duty for this case, would you be able to view the evidence empirically? Or have you already decided that this was not negligence on the part of Anello?

That lifting up a toddler to sit on a guard railing by an open window 11 stories up is a reasonable act?

Only reasonable for a complete idiot.