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Video Showing Final Moments Before Baby Falls Off Cruise Ship Leaked

Dec 24, 2019

The video involving the final moments of one-year-old kid Chloe Wiegand, who fell from a Royal Caribbean cruise ship in San Juan, Puerto Rico has been leaked and was telecast on Tuesday in a private channel.

The video was broadcast on the Puerto Rican station Mega TV. The family is upset by the public display of the video.

According to the USA Today report, the silent footage of the July 7 incident forms a crucial part of two cases related to Chloe's death.

There is a criminal case against Anello, the child’s grandfather charging negligent homicide. If convicted, he will face three years in prison.

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Who leaked it?

There is no clue on who had leaked the footage, and how it will impact the pending litigation.

Michael Winkleman, the attorney representing the Wiegand family allowed the media team to view the video to know what is inside it.

“The family publicly asks the Puerto Rican authorities, why was this footage released?” the Wiegand family said in a statement released through Winkleman.

Probe sought

It asked why they are inflicting such emotional distress on the family and called for an independent investigation into the leak.

The USA Today report said the footage showed Anello lifting Chloe and prodding her to bang on the window. The office of Puerto Rico Attorney General Dennise N. Longo Quiñones said her office has no idea how the media outlet got the video.

But the statement of AG added: “A careful review of video confirms Salvatore Anello is guilty of negligent homicide as charged.”

This, however, contradicts the scenario mentioned in the lawsuit filed by the family against the cruise line.

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Royal Caribbean declined to comment on the leak and court cases.

So Winkleman can show his edited version, oh sorry, software issues video, but no one else can do the same?
Rest assured that RCCL, PR LE and Prosecutors all followed chain of custody to preserve the evidence. Winkleman was the only one who had software issues....o_O
 
I don't believe so. It appeared not to be a public area, it looked to be fenced off. I'm hoping that is accurate. There are enough people with PTSD from this event I'm sure, without that being an issue as well.

Thanks, I sure hope you're right. I can't imagine witnessing any of this - my heart goes out to everyone of course, but lately I've been thinking of the poor witnesses as well.
 
Ah yes - Captain Coward. Wasn't he one of the first people to get off the ship? I remember an interview with the cab driver who drove the captain to his hotel - he said the captain complained that his socks had gotten wet! People lost their lives, and he complained about his wet socks.
It wasn’t his fault! He fell off the ship and landed in a lifeboat, remember? Lol.
 
"Cruise Contract" Terms re RCCL Vid Recordings
^^sbm....While it's true the ship surveillance video is their property, I believe you are mistaken in your interpretation that RCCL somehow considers this tragic video their "media product" pursuant to terms of the cruise contract....MOO
@Seattle1 sbm bbm Disagreeing w your ^ conclusion about what I said (but am not commenting on other subjects of your post). Relevant sentence of my post #611:
"RCCL’s “Cruise Contract” terms allow cruiseline to record photos, audios, & videos of passengers, use them for virtually any purpose, and display & “distribute it in any type of media."*

On the post, I just copied part of paragraph 14 and provided a link to full text. I did not "interpret" anything re RCCL "consider"ing or using these vids as their "media product." Nor did I speculate on whether RCCL released/leaked the vids.
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* Royal Caribbean Cruises: Vacations and Cruise Deals Scroll down to bottom of home page, to “Cruise Contract” then to paragraph 14. "USE OF PHOTOS, VIDEOS OR RECORDINGS" for full text.
 
Possibility of Vids Release Back Firing?
.... I've no doubt that RCCL is equally mortified that a video depicting the horrific death of a child is being marketed thanks to the Puerto Rican custodians. It's equally disgusting that the plaintiff's attorney is hosting video viewing appointments with MSM news networks. I really hope its release or leakage doesn't somehow backfire and prevent the People from obtaining justice for baby Chloe....MOO
@Seattle1 bbm sbm
Thank you for expressing this ^ sentiment. And joining w you. Poor little Chloe.

Sorry, not sure I'm following ref to "Puerto Rican custodians." If there's been an MSM verification identifying the leakers, I'd appreciate a link. Or other enlightenment re ^ reference? thx in adv.
 
The whole leaking of the video IMO is just as ridiculous as the banging on the glass story. The PR AG gives a copy to SA's attorney (Ortiz) who gives it to Winkleman who shares it with David B and an IndyStar reporter. Then when the video is leaked to the public the family and Winkleman are furious and demand an investigation. Really?

The family must have given Winkleman permission to share the video with two reporters in the first place - why? What was the purpose? The family might not have considered the video getting leaked but IMO Winkleman probably knew it was a possibility since he deals with cruise ship cases and the media.

And as for keeping their son from seeing the video yes, I get it but it really isn't too much different from him reading the reporters' descriptions. And he's already been exposed to his parents and grandfather giving interviews to numerous msm outlets. It must be really hard on him right now. :(
 
IMO, they have not viewed the video, in order not to prejudice their own testimony or feelings as to SA's innocence or guilt while they await what could be well over a year until trial.
Remembering their backgrounds as a police officer and Assistant Prosecutor, it is not their job to declare his innocence or guilt. It will be up to a jury to decide that.
@foreveryoung :) Agreeing w ^. Not the job of AW & KSW to declare his innocence or guilt in prosecution of SA. But by filing civil suit against RCCL, seems they've announced their opinion on the crim case. jmo
 
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Did PR Release the Vids? Parents Demand Investigation?
@MyBelle bbm sbm


From CBS News Dec. 18 article linked in above post, not clear to me who released vids.

"We are unaware of how Kobbo Santarrosa obtained the video of the unfortunate incident where Chloe Wiegand lost her life," Attorney General Dennise Longo Quiñones told CBS News." Could this PR official have made an inaccurate or false stmt? Sure. But multiple other entities had (copies of) the vids and could have released them. Imo, doubtful they were released to humiliate parents for filing suit.

In demanding an “independent investigation” into who “leaked” the vids, Chloe’s Mother is acting as if she & Chloe’s Father had solid basis for suppressing the vids, but imo, she is grasping at spiderwebs.

These vids are not top secret, classified government recordings. From a commonsense legal angle, the vids themselves are the property of the cruiseline. RCCL’s “Cruise Contract” terms allow cruiseline to record photos, audios, & videos of passengers, use them for virtually any purpose, and display & “distribute it in any type of media.*

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* Royal Caribbean Cruises: Vacations and Cruise Deals Scroll down to bottom of home page, to “Cruise Contract” paragraph 14 Including "exclusive right throughout the universe and in perpetuity to include photographic, video"
We'll agree to disagree. The mother stated her reason for not wanting the video public was to protect her older child. I find it to be a very compelling reason and would feel the same way.

SA is an American citizen and has rights. Puerto Rico has its own Attorney General but there is also a U S Attorney for the District of Puerto Rico. I think there will be an investigation underway into who released the video.

JMO

1-7.000 - Confidentiality and Media Contacts Policy
 
Just like Winky wants to convict the cruise line in the court of public opinion. Even if you are filing a lawsuit, I see no reason for the family to go on a press tour except to influence public opinion.
Yes, and the news media is giving them a big assist. An American jury is going to have no problem finding for the plaintiff in this case. Having windows that open near a play area is ridiculous.

JMO
 
People look through closed glass windows, and out open windows.

Colorblindness doesn’t mean certain colors turn invisible. Like, if you can’t see red because you are colorblind snd I’m wearing a red coat, you will still *see* the coat. It won’t be like Harry Potter’s invisibility cloak. It would just appear a shade of green (probably).

A colorblind person would still see the window tint, and the difference in shades - if open no tint, darker tint where the open window overlaps another window. “Colorblind” doesn’t mean all the windows appear clear.
If the person is color-blind and can't see blue/green, what exactly will they see if they look through a blue tinted window or an open window, 11 stories up? I think they would see the same shade of sky whether window was open or closed.

JMO
 
We'll agree to disagree. The mother stated her reason for not wanting the video public was to protect her older child. I find it to be a very compelling reason and would feel the same way.

SA is an American citizen and has rights. Puerto Rico has its own Attorney General but there is also a U S Attorney for the District of Puerto Rico. I think there will be an investigation underway into who released the video.

JMO

1-7.000 - Confidentiality and Media Contacts Policy
BBM

I’m not really sure what your point is? I live in Indiana. We have an Attorney General. And we also have appointed US Federal Attorney's. Not really any different than PR...

Meet the U.S. Attorney
Southern District of Indiana

and to another point CW was an American citizen, her rights were violently violated. The prosecutors found probable cause to bring charges against SA for causing her death. So there’s that.

And last: The family has opted to try to convict RCCL of guilt in the court of public opinion via the media. They made the video fair game.


...MOO and whatnot
 
If the person is color-blind and can't see blue/green, what exactly will they see if they look through a blue tinted window or an open window, 11 stories up? I think they would see the same shade of sky whether window was open or closed.

JMO
Contrast sensitivity. It’s a thing.

A color “blind” (misnomer) person will still (generally) be completely able to pick out that open window from the one closed. :facepalm;

I look forward to the trial because if he were so blind, when did he last drive? Work? When was his last eye exam? When was this detected? When was his last neuro-ophthalmic exam? Is his color blindness genetic or secondary ? And if so, to what etiology?

so many questions.
 
So Winkleman can show his edited version, oh sorry, software issues video, but no one else can do the same?
Rest assured that RCCL, PR LE and Prosecutors all followed chain of custody to preserve the evidence. Winkleman was the only one who had software issues....o_O
Huh? I don't understand. The words software or edit do not appear anywhere in the linked news article? :eek:
 
Huh? I don't understand. The words software or edit do not appear anywhere in the linked news article? :eek:

The video - with 'likely software issues' - was shown by the family's lawsuit attorney to US reporters as early as Tuesday Nov 26th.
The video - without 'likely software issues' - was posted by PR TV three weeks later on Tuesday Dec 17th.
IN - Grandfather charged in cruise ship death of toddler Chloe Wiegand #5



“The video shown to us was not in real time,” correspondent David Begnaud said. The family attorney “says the video that he showed us was the same format he received from prosecutors,” Begnaud added.

Noting a discrepancy in how long Anello was holding Chloe, Begnaud said, “the grandfather actually looks out the window for about eight seconds. He reaches down, he picks Chloe up, and he holds her over the railing for nearly 25 seconds.”

In a statement to CBS News, Winkleman said, “any variation in time likely has to do with software issues.

‘It’s like the glass disappeared’: Grandfather cries as he recounts toddler falling to her death from a cruise ship
 
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Thanks for sharing your opinion. :rolleyes: But you still did not clarify your concern about Puerto Rico having an Attorney General and a US Attorney. What bothered you about that?

did any one else question SA’s nationality or citizenship? Or have the opinion that I was somehow ignorant of it?
Or that I stated/implied he doesn’t have any rights?

I'm not concerned at all that Puerto Rico has both an AG and a US Attorney. I'm very glad, actually. SA has a right to a fair trial and that includes evidence that hasn't been leaked.

JMO
 
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