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[IceIce9]

Grandfather of toddler who died after falling from cruise ship window charged with negligent homicide

Several of us here on WS had discussed that the grandfather was negligent in holding little Chloe up to the open window

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[jeena]

I don't understand why some posters are saying SA picked her up overhead and threw her out the window, when the behind video shows SA lifting her, standing her up on the right side of him on the railing, then he switches her to his left side. Now CW appears to be further away from him, possibly sitting on or being held by SA near the metal window frame. With all the antics SA went through handling CW, I don't think her killing was intentional, otherwise SA would probably have thrown her out the window right after he lifted her up. SA admitted to standing her up, sitting her down, holding her with one arm, etc.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

I don't understand why some posters are saying SA picked her up overhead and threw her out the window, when the behind video shows SA lifting her, standing her up on the right side of him on the railing, then he switches her to his left side. Now CW appears to be further away from him, possibly sitting on or being held by SA near the metal window frame. With all the antics SA went through handling CW, I don't think her killing was intentional, otherwise SA would probably have thrown her out the window right after he lifted her up. SA admitted to standing her up, sitting her down, holding her with one arm, etc.

BBM I personally can't believe people who lie and change their stories. IMOO

 

[Montrealaise]

CW's parents say they haven't seen the video, but I wonder whether any other family members have - such as her paternal grandparents, her biological maternal grandfather or her aunts and uncles. After all, the video is accessible to anyone who knows their way around the internet. If they have, that may explain the radio silence from the family and their lawyer since the release of the video.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

If you want to see some examples of plates used to screen for color deficiencies there are some online color vision quizzes you can take. They are just for fun, as an actual test in a doctor’s office would be given under correct lighting conditions and the plates and slides used have very exact colors.

Here is an example
Ishihara Test for Color Blindness

This is the test that I took a few weeks ago when someone posted it. I definitely struggled to see some of the numbers in the colored circles, and there were a few that really had me guessing. It was almost as stressful as the visual field test that I do annually at my ophthalmologist's. I'm sure that SA will be required to undergo similar testing by at least one certified ophthalmologist. He won't be able to "fake" his answers, and there will be a diagnosis based on his performance.

 

[jeena]

BBM I personally can't believe people who lie and change their stories. IMOO

I wonder if RCCL has a "smoking gun" video not released to the public showing exactly what movement SA made to cause her fatal fall?

 

[BeachSky]

'Just discovered the www.weremember condolence site which includes more photos of CW and her family. KW replies to some of CW's rememberance stories from family, friends, and the public. Very sad a child so young ended up on this site instead of living.....

I wonder how the other set of grandparents feel about what SA did with their precious granddaughter. Any word from them?

MOO

 

[jeena]

I wonder how the other set of grandparents feel about what SA did with their precious granddaughter. Any word from them?

MOO

Actually there are two other sets of grandparents, the Wiegands and the Schultz's, Scott Schultz is KW's bio father. I didn't know if you were referring to both sets, but I haven't read of any reactions from the four. I noticed CW's aunt and uncle wrote condolences on the memory pages.

 

[neesaki]

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The colourblindness went out the window at this point.

It sure did, after he stuck his head through the window. Or will he say he thought there was a second panel of glass beyond that point? You know, outside the boat suspended in midair.

 

[BeachSky]

I don't understand why some posters are saying SA picked her up overhead and threw her out the window, when the behind video shows SA lifting her, standing her up on the right side of him on the railing, then he switches her to his left side. Now CW appears to be further away from him, possibly sitting on or being held by SA near the metal window frame. With all the antics SA went through handling CW, I don't think her killing was intentional, otherwise SA would probably have thrown her out the window right after he lifted her up. SA admitted to standing her up, sitting her down, holding her with one arm, etc.

I do not either.I think he was practicing his narcissistic bravado, showing off possibly, doing exactly what HE wanted to do. Much like not wearing a seatbelt.
We had a man visiting in our group down on the beach. He wanted to run out into the ocean waves carrying someone’s baby. We all explained to him that the ocean shelf on our beach drops off suddenly . IOW he was told NO because it is dangerous when relying on keeping your feet “grounded” ...even a few out. Told us we were all crazy..sulked off. I imagine he would of done it - if not for our intervention. Dropped,endangered the baby he would of been carrying. Can’t make this stuff up. Some with Narc personality disorder think rules don’t apply to them. They get fuel from being defiant I guess.

MO experience

 

[IceIce9]

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I wonder how the other set of grandparents feel about what SA did with their precious granddaughter. Any word from them?

MOO

Their silence speaks volumes, IMO.

I certainly haven’t seen any sign of support for SA from any of them. Or SA’s wife for that matter.

 

[IceIce9]

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The colourblindness went out the window at this point.

The colorblindness went out the window when his head went out the window. Twice.

MOO

 

[neesaki]

These were done in December on the Voyager of the Seas.
I hope this helps. View attachment 223775View attachment 223776View attachment 223777View attachment 223778

The measurement there looks like it is 15 inches from the Outer edge of the window frame/ casing to the outer edge of the of the wood railing. I thought it was reported earlier that it was 18 inches.

 

[neesaki]

In AS’s interview he stated, “She is down by the window looking out the glass. I knelt down... we always like at a hockey game we would bang on the glass and it was fun so when I knelt down to be with her at that level and I couldn’t reach the glass really...only with my finger tips so I knew she couldn’t either so that’s when I decided I would pick her up...”.

My questions are: Why couldn’t he touch/reach the bottom glass? And if he knew he couldn’t reach the bottom glass, why would he think picking her up and placing her on the railing would allow her to “better reach/bang” on the glass?

In my opinion, it sounds like an “after” story made up to “explain away” the public’s question...why didn’t she just bang on the glass below the railing...why did she need to be lifted up to bang on the glass?

Exactly. That video of him and his fake sobbing routine is so pathetic, makes me want to throw up.

 

[BeachSky]

Actually there are two other sets of grandparents, the Wiegands and the Schultz's, Scott Schultz is KW's bio father. I didn't know if you were referring to both sets, but I haven't read of any reactions from the four. I noticed CW's aunt and uncle wrote condolences on the memory pages.

I’m just curious how the OTHER grands on Chloe’s dad side...
or even OTHER relatives really feel about how SA endangered & killed their Chloe.
Probably being quiet ...but if we see the insane choice he made.... well.

JMO

 

[Pammi]

I wonder if RCCL has a "smoking gun" video not released to the public showing exactly what movement SA made to cause her fatal fall?

They have multiple cameras in every area, I believe there’s probably a camera from behind the bar facing that area, and likely on the outside of the boat to monitor stupidity on the suite balconies. I think yes there’s more.

 

[neesaki]

Thank you for these pictures. So, my question is, did SA hold Chloe to the window, and when she fell, did he think that she fell down, and landed on the floor? Instead, she fell forward and out of the window?

Except he looked out the window, not at the floor. So now what SA?

 

[IceIce9]

This is the test that I took a few weeks ago when someone posted it. I definitely struggled to see some of the numbers in the colored circles, and there were a few that really had me guessing. It was almost as stressful as the visual field test that I do annually at my ophthalmologist's. I'm sure that SA will be required to undergo similar testing by at least one certified ophthalmologist. He won't be able to "fake" his answers, and there will be a diagnosis based on his performance.

A test you take online won’t be as accurate as a test performed by a trained technician. The number plates used are to be stored in a dark, humidity-controlled environment to protect the colors.

There are some “fake” plates thrown in randomly that have NO color deficiency feature built in. In other words, any person being tested, whether color blind or not, would be able to read the number on the “fake” plates. So if someone says they can’t read the “fake” plate number you can assume it is someone who wants to fail the test, for whatever reason.

In testing for color vision we would first use a simple Ishihara plate test. These are the most common screening tests, and usually consist of 15 or more number plates. A few “fake” plates will be thrown in to catch fakers. A person with red-green color blindness will see some numbers differently, or not be able to distinguish a number at all.

For example, the number 8 on a speckled background with different contrasting colors will appear as a 3 to a person with red-green color blindness, while a person with normal vision will see an 8.

If someone fails the Ishihara plate screening test, there are a few other tests that can be done by a technician that are more diagnostic in nature. A person failing those tests would be referred to a specialist.

 

[mickey2942]

The colorblindness went out the window when his head went out the window. Twice.

MOO

Thank you. My point exactly! With this evidence to back up my initial reaction to this preposterous story.

 

[mickey2942]

A test you take online won’t be as accurate as a test performed by a trained technician. The number plates used are to be stored in a dark, humidity-controlled environment to protect the colors.

There are some “fake” plates thrown in randomly that have NO color deficiency feature built in. In other words, any person being tested, whether color blind or not, would be able to read the number on the “fake” plates. So if someone says they can’t read the “fake” plate number you can assume it is someone who wants to fail the test, for whatever reason.

In testing for color vision we would first use a simple Ishihara plate test. These are the most common screening tests, and usually consist of 15 or more number plates. A few “fake” plates will be thrown in to catch fakers. A person with red-green color blindness will see some numbers differently, or not be able to distinguish a number at all.

For example, the number 8 on a speckled background with different contrasting colors will appear as a 3 to a person with red-green color blindness, while a person with normal vision will see an 8.

If someone fails the Ishihara plate screening test, there are a few other tests that can be done by a technician that are more diagnostic in nature. A person failing those tests would be referred to a specialist.

People who "fake" the test, when they say they can't "see" anything, the clinical term is, "malingering". It is very interesting to watch people who are malingering, as opposed to people who are actually impaired.