IN - Grandfather charged in cruise ship death of toddler Chloe Wiegand #6

[justice4allnow]

His hold on little Chloe must have been so precarious. In the CBS interview, both David Begnaud and Sam Anello mimed holding Chloe next to their bodies, in a "bear hug" they termed it, both with one arm and with two arms. But she wasn't held next to Sam's body at all- his bulk was bent over across the safety railing, leaning out and he appears to be holding her out the window, simply with his left arm curled around her. And that was for about 30 seconds. No wonder he lost his grip, that was like 20 lbs held out and away from his body, with his non-dominant arm. After watching the LaComay video, like many of you I tried leaning over a high counter to see how far I could reach, turned out to be pretty far. Now do that holding a 20 lbs sack of groceries in one arm, not a dumb bell, over the edge. Now imagine that weight shifting and moving. I will never understand his decisions about his precious grandchild.

 

[neesaki]

So what’s David Begnaud’s spin on this now? He was so gung ho at the first round table with three other reporters from the station.
And those crocodile tears and trembling body movements. It was so bad on SA Bregnaud had to put his hand on SA’s thigh to comfort him.
Euk. Is there an academy award for the worst performance in a documentary?
I’m colorblind. I was trying to feel
the window. If didn’t see the shades of blue. But I sure stuck my head out of the window to see how far down it was. I got dizzy looking down and I wasn’t even on the ship.
You know, it has crossed my mind that as a premie she may have been indulged to extreme. Spoiled. Sure let’s beat on windows at hockey games. Let’s go to all the hockey games right after you’re released from icu. Let’s dress you up as a little doll. You can do whatever you want to do. No one ever said no to Chloe.
IMOO. So why wasn’t she reigned in? It could have saved her life.
Maybe I’m wrong. Cute “little mermaid” outfit way too big for her. She’d have been stumbling on the hem. I wonder if there were any other mishaps?

You make good points, things I’ve pondered myself. Not sure what all is going on in this case, but there are sure a lot of red flags. IMO

 

[neesaki]

His hold on little Chloe must have been so precarious. In the CBS interview, both David Begnaud and Sam Anello mimed holding Chloe next to their bodies, in a "bear hug" they termed it, both with one arm and with two arms. But she wasn't held next to Sam's body at all- his bulk was bent over across the safety railing, leaning out and he appears to be holding her out the window, simply with his left arm curled around her. And that was for about 30 seconds. No wonder he lost his grip, that was like 20 lbs held out and away from his body, with his non-dominant arm. After watching the LaComay video, like many of you I tried leaning over a high counter to see how far I could reach, turned out to be pretty far. Now do that holding a 20 lbs sack of groceries in one arm, not a dumb bell, over the edge. Now imagine that weight shifting and moving. I will never understand his decisions about his precious grandchild.

I wouldn’t hold my GD tote bag in such a precarious position as this man did poor little Chloe. Really? I mean, Oh My God.....
Which leads me to two conclusions.
This man, SA, has to be one of two things. Either:

1. A complete and total reckless Moron who had no regard whatsoever for the safety and well-being of his Granddaughter.

OR

2. He is a cold blooded Murderer

IDK, take your pick. JMO

Hell yeah, this case just gets all over me. But there is absolutely NO excuse for his actions.

Sorry if my claws are coming out.

 

[katydid23]

I wouldn’t hold my GD tote bag in such a precarious position as this man did poor little Chloe. Really? I mean, Oh My God.....
Which leads me to two conclusions.
This man, SA, has to be one of two things. Either:

1. A complete and total reckless Moron who had no regard whatsoever for the safety and well-being of his Granddaughter.

OR

2. He is a cold blooded Murderer

IDK, take your pick. JMO

Hell yeah, this case just gets all over me. But there is absolutely NO excuse for his actions.

Sorry if my claws are coming out.

I think it is number one. And I think he should serve some time for his callous disregard for human life.

As much as I dislike this man, I don't believe he planned to kill her. I think he is reckless, stupid, selfish, deceitful and a coward, for trying to place the blame on everyone but himself.

But I don't think he meant to kill her. JMO

 

[TDoc72]

I’ve been trying to keep up and read all the posts, sorry if this sounds clueless.
In the beginning from what I had read and surmised - I thought he was holding Chloe while she was sitting on the railing and she pitched forward (somehow).

Is the consensus that he was holding her outside the window?

Now this has me wondering if she went head first or feet first. (Sorry...I know.).

 

[Midwestmom2019]

I was able to get the CC on and in English. It is a very poor translation, but I'm picking up that La Comay is saying that what has been reported as an 18 inch gap between the railing and the window is not correct, and that the actual measurement is much less. I saw the number 9 closely following the comment on 18 inches.

@35:41, the translated version has La Comay saying "...let's see what he says how much there were away let's see". Then a clip of David Begnaud saying that the gap is 18 inches.

The translation goes on "says that from the railing to the glass 18 inches, 18 inches". "We have prepared it here exactly as it is on the ship." "Let's first see the railing of 9 the ship's rail in this man says that can't touch the glass...let's see the boat rail video." Then shows the YouTube video of the man that we have previously viewed, pointing out over the railing.

Hmm...I will admit that on the video of the tour of Deck 11, where the guy reaches out the window, the reach does look to be considerably less than 18 inches.

Goes on to say "look at where is the window here. We have done that which is here."

So I'm guessing that in the La Comay reenactment, they did not place the window a full 18 inches out from the railing.

Is the 18 inch gap yet another inaccuracy that we've been led to believe?

Remember to account for the width of the railing and the width of the window track and frame. Both
railing and window frame were several inches wide. Even if they were only 3 inches wide, that’s 6 inches that LaComay was counting in the 18 inches. That leaves a 12 inch opening between railing and window.
Way back we calculated it based on a cruiser’s measurements.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

I wouldn’t hold my GD tote bag in such a precarious position as this man did poor little Chloe. Really? I mean, Oh My God.....
Which leads me to two conclusions.
This man, SA, has to be one of two things. Either:

1. A complete and total reckless Moron who had no regard whatsoever for the safety and well-being of his Granddaughter.

OR

2. He is a cold blooded Murderer

IDK, take your pick. JMO

Hell yeah, this case just gets all over me. But there is absolutely NO excuse for his actions.

Sorry if my claws are coming out.

No reason to be sorry. Mama bears’ claws are razor sharp. For good reason.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

No reason to be sorry. Mama bears’ claws are razor sharp. For good reason.

And, for the most part, their intuition is right on target.

 

[Only4Justice]

His hold on little Chloe must have been so precarious. In the CBS interview, both David Begnaud and Sam Anello mimed holding Chloe next to their bodies, in a "bear hug" they termed it, both with one arm and with two arms. But she wasn't held next to Sam's body at all- his bulk was bent over across the safety railing, leaning out and he appears to be holding her out the window, simply with his left arm curled around her. And that was for about 30 seconds. No wonder he lost his grip, that was like 20 lbs held out and away from his body, with his non-dominant arm. After watching the LaComay video, like many of you I tried leaning over a high counter to see how far I could reach, turned out to be pretty far. Now do that holding a 20 lbs sack of groceries in one arm, not a dumb bell, over the edge. Now imagine that weight shifting and moving. I will never understand his decisions about his precious grandchild.

I hope he is convicted.

 

[Only4Justice]

I think it is number one. And I think he should serve some time for his callous disregard for human life.

As much as I dislike this man, I don't believe he planned to kill her. I think he is reckless, stupid, selfish, deceitful and a coward, for trying to place the blame on everyone but himself.

But I don't think he meant to kill her. JMO

BUT he did. IMO

 

[Medstudies]

Just thinking on the positioning of Chloe. (MOO) I believe she was placed, at minimum, on the window ledge. (Maybe on and completely out?)

Now assuming she was ON the ledge, and she were standing, I could see her feet slipping off. Either due to panic or just that she was a wobbly toddler on a precarious ledge. - but IF she had been seated on that ledge I could imagine she wiggled off - in pain: because the surface would have been blazing hotter than hades, right? (4ish, full day sun, metal ledge, windows reflecting light back onto that surface.)

and in MOO, he wasn’t prepared for either situation because a) he’s a moron or b) he’s a stupid moron.

#justice4Chloe #thewindowdidntkillher

 

[justice4allnow]

That Fundrazr is sad at $6000.

They raised $5800 for Chloe's bench before shutting off donations.

Fundly raised $22,000 for the family's funeral, travel and legal costs.

So you are saying that there is another fund to buy a bench in Chloe's honor? I know about the Fundrazr for Sam Anello's legal expenses, and the Fundly for the family's expenses, but there is a third fund for a bench?

 

[Lawnguylander1964]

So you are saying that there is another fund to buy a bench in Chloe's honor? I know about the Fundrazr for Sam Anello's legal expenses, and the Fundly for the family's expenses, but there is a third fund for a bench?

Yes the bench fund is on the popular one and called "Memorial Bench for Chloe"

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Just thinking on the positioning of Chloe. (MOO) I believe she was placed, at minimum, on the window ledge. (Maybe on and completely out?)

Now assuming she was ON the ledge, and she were standing, I could see her feet slipping off. Either due to panic or just that she was a wobbly toddler on a precarious ledge. - but IF she had been seated on that ledge I could imagine she wiggled off - in pain: because the surface would have been blazing hotter than hades, right? (4ish, full day sun, metal ledge, windows reflecting light back onto that surface.)

and in MOO, he wasn’t prepared for either situation because a) he’s a moron or b) he’s a stupid moron.

#justice4Chloe #thewindowdidntkillher

You got that right! When you're on those upper open decks of a cruise ship in a warm climate, you cannot sit or stand on just about any surface without clothing/shoes. Deck flooring can burn the bottoms of your feet very quickly - even just a few steps from your lounger into the pool. Metal surfaces are especially hot, and I'm sure that if Chloe's little legs touched the metal window frame, it burned When DH and I sit on our ship balcony, we always place towels over the chair so our arms and legs don't come into contact with the hot metal frame.

There are just so many reasons why Grandpa should not have been left to care for Chloe for even a few minutes. He had absolutely no common sense and total lack of good judgment about protecting a toddler from the many dangers that were lurking on the ship. Before he even lifted Chloe up to the open window, he had allowed her to run several feet ahead of him and into an adult bar area, FGS!

 

[justice4allnow]

Yes the bench fund is on the popular one and called "Memorial Bench for Chloe"

Looked at the fund, it says whatever isn't used for the bench will be used "to directly benefit the family." A total of over $34,000 has been donated so far to the three funds, with some expenses covered by Royal Caribbean. People have opened their hearts and their checkbooks. Hopefully the family is comforted knowing so many people, some strangers, care about Chloe. And may they give up trying to sue the cruise line for Sam's tragic stupidity.

 

[Chikkamma]

Looked at the fund, it says whatever isn't used for the bench will be used "to directly benefit the family." A total of over $34,000 has been donated so far to the three funds, with some expenses covered by Royal Caribbean. People have opened their hearts and their checkbooks. Hopefully the family is comforted knowing so many people, some strangers, care about Chloe. And may they give up trying to sue the cruise line for Sam's tragic stupidity.

Nothing about this families’ actions lead me to believe they will give up suing RCCL. They are opportunists who won’t easily relinquish the chance to profit even in tragedy. IMO the only reason they’d drop their suit would be because the video was leaked and they know it is destined to lose.

 

[katydid23]

BUT he did. IMO

True. Which is why he should be held accountable for depraved criminal negligence. JMO

 

[MimosaMornings]

I am surprised since they had just boarded the ship that they had not put Chloe down for a nap. Where were all the other adults?
Just trying to figure out why they left him to tend to her? A cruise ship is not a self contained baby sitter and you have to pay attention to someone Chloe’s age and size!

 

[borndem]

I think it is number one. And I think he should serve some time for his callous disregard for human life.

As much as I dislike this man, I don't believe he planned to kill her. I think he is reckless, stupid, selfish, deceitful and a coward, for trying to place the blame on everyone but himself.

But I don't think he meant to kill her. JMO

I agree -- I don't think he wanted to kill or hurt her. He was probably happy and excited to be there, maybe a bit pepped-up (no drugs, etc.), just a bit of adrenaline. Chloe was fidgety, excited, and energetic possibly from being in the play area previously, IDK, and Grandpa just got swept up, made a horrible decision to put here up there, something may have distracted him, or she just jumped or wiggled out of his hands and those couple of seconds were lethal.
I do see it as negligence on his part, using poor judgement, and certainly something that he could have easily avoided.

 

[Lawnguylander1964]

$34,000 doesn't seem like a lot to me due to the international coverage this case has gotten.

We had a tragedy in my town and it's up to $187k.