IN IN - Kristy Kelley, 27, Boonville, 15 Aug 2014 #1

[steelman]

In case anyone is interested:

I ran over to the local grocery store at lunch, and I saw at least two dozen flyers and signs with Kristy's picture and info on them. That's in just a ~1 mile stretch. People are now putting those "Elect so-and-so" type signs in their yard that are big and waterproof with all the information on them about Kristy. I'm not sure who printed them but they really attract attention and are great! I'm just staggered at how much this community has come together and how hard they are working to find Kristy. They have printed T shirts with her info and are handing them out today. They are seriously getting the word out!

Also, I've seen a plane fly over twice today. I can't say if they are looking for Kristy, but it looks like the same plane, small and private, and low flying.

I've personally thought LE aren't saying anything because they have nothing to say, beyond what they shared with the public about a week ago. Though I realize they probably wouldn't show their cards if they had something they are investigating, so as not to spook any POI, I've gotten the sense that there hadn't been much else discovered in the past week. This is just speculation, however, and I really cross my fingers that they actually do know more and are getting closer to an answer!

I don't think law enforcement is going to say anything publicly. What they really need is for that SUV to surface. That's why they continue to let people go out and search all they want to, they need it found.

Even if they currently have a suspect in mind, for instance, someone who called in sick on Friday, was out clubbing the previous night, and has sexual assault priors, that isn't enough to make an arrest. They have to find that car, and ultimately find Kristy.

Once that happens, they are going to send all the searchers home and you won't hear another peep out of them until somebody is in handcuffs.

Just like the Erin Corwin case, the missing marine's wife over in California. Everybody was pretty sure who the culprit was, but until they found her body, the culprit was not only walking around free, but had moved all the way to Alaska. Once she was found, he was immediately picked up and is now headed for a seat on Death row.

 

[88keys]

The entire county plus neighboring counties have been searched, repeatedly. I guess all that's left are private properties and more searches on foot in wooded areas. If you scroll back through the discussion I mention more details on what has been covered.

But most of the county IS privately owned farmland and woods. There is no way they've searched the whole county if they aren't allowed to go on private land without the landowner's permission. And I'm guessing not all of the landowners have searched every acre of their own property.

 

[Tonia]

:doh:

That hadn't occured to me! But you are probably right.

Those were the photo's that were taken that night.She did in fact post them the next day when she came up missing.

 

[steelman]

But most of the county IS privately owned farmland and woods. There is no way they've searched the whole county if they aren't allowed to go on private land without the landowner's permission. And I'm guessing not all of the landowners have searched every acre of their own property.

You are exactly right. Whoever the perpetrator of this crime is, might know a place where there is private property, but the owner is either out-of-state or unavailable to give permission. Case in point might be a plot of land that is mainly leased out to hunters or a plot of land that sits basically abandoned and unused. It's owned by a family but basically is not lived on or worked on.

The only people that honor a lot of those No Trespassing signs, are the searchers themselves. People that have lived around there for years know which properties they are free to roam around on without fear of a landowner shooting at them.

Properties such as this could still be searched to some degree with the use of powerful binoculars or a spotting scope. You might be surprised what you can see tucked back in the trees when you magnify everything about 50 X. Also, sunlight gleaming off of metal is usually pretty easy to spot with binoculars (good ones) even if it is hidden in a grove of trees or bushes.

My guess is, if this was an abduction, then whomever hid that vehicle hid it well enough that you aren't going to see it from a highway or by scanning the treeline with the naked eye. It's probably hidden in one of those type places where you will literally stumble across it completely by accident. But believe me, when you see it sitting there, you'll know it doesn't belong.

 

[concernedmother]

Didnt see anything in the Selvin/Jocky area today.

 

[stayhomemommy]

You are exactly right. Whoever the perpetrator of this crime is, might know a place where there is private property, but the owner is either out-of-state or unavailable to give permission. Case in point might be a plot of land that is mainly leased out to hunters or a plot of land that sits basically abandoned and unused. It's owned by a family but basically is not lived on or worked on.

The only people that honor a lot of those No Trespassing signs, are the searchers themselves. People that have lived around there for years know which properties they are free to roam around on without fear of a landowner shooting at them.

Properties such as this could still be searched to some degree with the use of powerful binoculars or a spotting scope. You might be surprised what you can see tucked back in the trees when you magnify everything about 50 X. Also, sunlight gleaming off of metal is usually pretty easy to spot with binoculars (good ones) even if it is hidden in a grove of trees or bushes.

My guess is, if this was an abduction, then whomever hid that vehicle hid it well enough that you aren't going to see it from a highway or by scanning the treeline with the naked eye. It's probably hidden in one of those type places where you will literally stumble across it completely by accident. But believe me, when you see it sitting there, you'll know it doesn't belong.

I vaguely recall a case where a young lady was dumped on some private land. I think some hunters did find her body? Maybe? Gosh. Brain fog. I do wish I could remember more about it.

Anyway, your point is right on. On private land, in cases where there's a large parcel and it's not often looked-over (or the owners live out of state, etc) a body could sit unnoticed for a very long time, especially if there's nothing to link them to the case. :/

 

[NoraEltrain]

I didn't get an answer to my last post...Have they searched Pigeon Creek yet?

 

[steelman]

I didn't get an answer to my last post...Have they searched Pigeon Creek yet?

That question is going to have to be answered by a local who is familiar with the search areas.

Blueherring or Azureine might be able to help answer that, they live right there.

 

[88keys]

You are exactly right. Whoever the perpetrator of this crime is, might know a place where there is private property, but the owner is either out-of-state or unavailable to give permission. Case in point might be a plot of land that is mainly leased out to hunters or a plot of land that sits basically abandoned and unused. It's owned by a family but basically is not lived on or worked on.

It doesn't have to be abandoned or unused. Even land that is used for hunting or fishing doesn't have people traipsing across it every day. And even farmland that is in use (has crops planted on it now) won't be harvested for at least a few more weeks, and probably longer. Deer season doesn't start for a while, either.

I guess my point is that even the land that is in use is still remote and isn't crossed by humans a lot. I'm not sure people understand how rural this area really is. And if you add in a barn or a shed or other structure where a vehicle could be concealed...well, it just makes it really difficult to find her.

 

[concernedmother]

88keys you are so right. It hit me today how
Overwhelming this area is.Its like looking for a needle in a haystack when you venture out of town.

 

[steelman]

I vaguely recall a case where a young lady was dumped on some private land. I think some hunters did find her body? Maybe? Gosh. Brain fog. I do wish I could remember more about it.

Anyway, your point is right on. On private land, in cases where there's a large parcel and it's not often looked-over (or the owners live out of state, etc) a body could sit unnoticed for a very long time, especially if there's nothing to link them to the case. :/

Were I there doing the searching, I think I would still venture on to some of those abandoned or unused properties and have a look around.
Maybe take a slow ATV ride through there just to see what I could see. This is one of those rare cases where you could probably do a little trespassing and the cops probably would turn a blind eye to it.

Hopefully all of the landowners that own property of any size will allow the searchers to at least do a drive-thru on some of their dirt roads.
I would imagine that most of them are being pretty cooperative about it.

Of course, my theory is that there may be two or more perpetrators involved and her car could be 2 or 3 counties over, where no one is actively searching.

Dogs don't like to s**t where they eat.

 

[Azureine]

I didn't get an answer to my last post...Have they searched Pigeon Creek yet?

I don't know. They aren't posting on the webpage where they have searched anymore, and I wasn't able to search over the weekend so I haven't seen the map. I would assume that if it is accessible by ATV or car, then they have at least searched the banks to see if there were tire tracks or disturbed vegetation. Pigeon Creek is pretty long though, and I'll bet it runs through some private properties so maybe not all of it has been searched.

I do not believe there has been any diving or going in any bodies of water, but that's again an assumption from what I've heard. With so many bodies of water around here, where do you even start?

Here is what concerns me: What if there is an abductor and they are helping with the search? Once an area is marked off the map, they can just move evidence to that location, thinking it probably won't be searched again. I guess that's why they took it off the FB page, but anyone can go into Studio Bee and look at the map. Or, what if someone involved owns private property and said they searched it and claimed they found nothing? Then it gets marked off the map.

My family has private wooded property around here and we searched it on foot, and it got marked off the map. Nobody has been out here since.

If in fact she was taken, and the abductor has half a brain and is not in any way connected with Kristy and it was a random act, it could be near impossible to find her or her car given the terrain and all the hidey holes someone could use. Someone mentioned that this is good old boy country, where hunters know the land like the back of their hand. Indeed they do, which is what worries me. My biggest fear is that Boonville, Indiana will end up featured on ID channel's Disappeared. If there is anything worse than what this poor family is going through, it would be no closure.

 

[Amster]

I wouldn't try that "little trespassing....slow ATV ride" on any ones private property. Why would the cops turn a blind eye? I would hope not!

 

[concernedmother]

There are little towns in this area with names but nothing more than a few houses in them. Surrounding counties the same.

 

[steelman]

I don't know. They aren't posting on the webpage where they have searched anymore, and I wasn't able to search over the weekend so I haven't seen the map. I would assume that if it is accessible by ATV or car, then they have at least searched the banks to see if there were tire tracks or disturbed vegetation. Pigeon Creek is pretty long though, and I'll bet it runs through some private properties so maybe not all of it has been searched.

I do not believe there has been any diving or going in any bodies of water, but that's again an assumption from what I've heard. With so many bodies of water around here, where do you even start?

Here is what concerns me: What if there is an abductor and they are helping with the search? Once an area is marked off the map, they can just move evidence to that location, thinking it probably won't be searched again. I guess that's why they took it off the FB page, but anyone can go into Studio Bee and look at the map. Or, what if someone involved owns private property and said they searched it and claimed they found nothing? Then it gets marked off the map.

My family has private wooded property around here and we searched it on foot, and it got marked off the map. Nobody has been out here since.

If in fact she was taken, and the abductor has half a brain and is not in any way connected with Kristy and it was a random act, it could be near impossible to find her or her car given the terrain and all the hidey holes someone could use. Someone mentioned that this is good old boy country, where hunters know the land like the back of their hand. Indeed they do, which is what worries me. My biggest fear is that Boonville, Indiana will end up featured on ID channel's Disappeared. If there is anything worse than what this poor family is going through, it would be no closure.

Everything you said is exactly right. I think that is why law enforcement is welcoming anybody and everybody who wants to take the time to go out and search, and search as often and anywhere they can.

The only saving grace here is that hopefully this wasn't some well thought out, carefully planned act. If the perp was hurried and just in a rush to conceal things as good as possible, then the likelihood goes way up that her vehicle might be found soon.

However, on the other hand, if this is some psycho that actually fantasized and patiently waited for an opportunity just like this, then his concealment of the crime would likely be a lot more sophisticated. And yes, concealing both the vehicle and Kristy would have been thought about and planned well in advance of this disappearance.

Even though that may be a possibility, everyone still has to do as best as they can to make an effort to find her. If you start thinking about all the hypothetical scenarios, you will just throw your hands up and quit. The closest places to town have been searched by now. As searchers continue to fan out and go further away, there is still a very good chance that she will be found.

 

[steelman]

I wouldn't try that "little trespassing....slow ATV ride" on any ones private property. Why would the cops turn a blind eye? I would hope not!

I guess that's you.........that's not me. Your're taking what I said out of context and trying to make a big deal out of it, as if I would just go cruising around on someones property anytime I felt like it. WE were talking about properties that are essentially abandoned or unused for the most part but are still considered private property. If the landowners aren't anywhere around, I guess they wouldn't complain, would they?
That is exactly the kind of place somebody might try and hide something.

 

[concernedmother]

If you asked most people would probaby just let you look around.

 

[Midwest]

If my daughter were missing I wouldn't bother kindly checking with every owner of every inch of property. While I'm normally a very respectful person and wouldn't dream of putting someone out just to benefit myself...I would do absolutely whatever I needed to do to search the area. I can't imagine any property owner objecting once they find out why someone was on their property. Unless someone's really tearing things up and ruining something. Anyone who has had a child could understand a mother's disregard for a "No Trespassing" sign and hopefully would see helpful volunteers as an extension of that mother's desperation. I don't know if the police would turn a blind eye or not and I would follow instructions if I were a volunteer...but not if I were the mother of the missing.

 

[Seajay]

I just keep in mind that the property owner in the Leann Bearden case looked on his property as asked but didn't look up and see her hanging in the tree. So even if property owners are asked to check their property and it gets marked off the map as searched, we don't really know how well it was searched, ya know???

 

[concernedmother]

Most of the time someone is found by accident by a jogger or something like that.