IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #22

[egs]

Her Twitter pic which I have a copy of is of her with one arm raised as she slams a shot of alcohol. She titled it "rage."

Hey there. As a youth and a college student myself I can tell you that rage is just another way we kids say "party"

Edit- sorry this was already pointed out

 

[luna80]

- Why would ZO be angry with CR for "letting Lauren talk" about drugs?
- And if that was behind the fight, why would JW's friends jump in and cover for ZO?

Protecting his interests - if no longer supplying due to alleged DEA raid earlier this year - then best ensure interests of new supplier

 

[indianagirl315]

AEPi is back. They are on N. Jordan Ave.

Yes, and JW's fraternity used to be Alpha epilson pi before they got kicked off campus. Now JW's fraternity goes by an abbreviation of Aepi. The Aepi that is on N. Jordan is the new fraternity that is not affiliated with JW's frat. Two separate entities.

 

[sv614]

Fox News

TIME OUT

Did this guy just imply or accidentally reveal that he saw that video of LS stumbling out of the elevator at Smallwood and falling to her knees? [0:52]

 

[luna80]

If LS left JR's and made her way to ZO/AB's and something happened there, that would make more sense. But we'd have to establish that there is a path and entrance to ZO/AB's that is not covered with cameras - I don't recall whether we've done that. Absent that evidence, I have to go back to JR. ZO/AB involvement would also be inconsistent, imo, with their behavior after June 3, including Tr's supposed sighting.

For what it's worth I saw the following at http://legalpublication.blogspot.com/2011/06/lauren-spierer-disappearance-puzzles.html

7. Surveillance cameras, if motion activated, tend to detect larger objects. Depending on their settings, Lauren would not necessarily be considered a "larger object."

 

[jjenny]

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Did this guy just imply or accidentally reveal that he saw that video of LS stumbling out of the elevator at Smallwood and falling to her knees? [0:52]

I think he is just trying to describe what was already reported. I sincerely doubt they are showing that video to TV heads.

 

[sv614]

I think he is just trying to describe what was already reported. I sincerely doubt they are showing that video to TV heads.

But but but but he says "what we've learned ... what I saw, er, uh, learned of with that video ..." as if specifically trying to backtrack and correct himself. [0:52]

He's not a TV head - he is a staff writer for LoHud that has contributed to Spierer stories!

http://www.lohud.com/article/201106...tion-compounds-concerns-about-cocaine-alcohol (bottom in bold)

http://www.lohud.com/article/201107...eo-appeared-no-condition-help-friend-get-home < --- its his story!

http://www.lohud.com/article/201108...ren-Spierer-s-parents-return-home-Westchester < -- written by Shawn Cohen yesterday

He saw it I'm telling you! He's the source!

 

[Darcyline]

I assumed he stumbled over his words and said saw, then corrected himself and just said learned since he didn't actually see it-just heard it described by people who did see it.

 

[jjenny]

I assumed he stumbled over his words and said saw, then corrected himself and just said learned since he didn't actually see it-just heard it described by people who did see it.

I agree. He was stumbling. He also claimed she was "carried out" of the building, whereas whoever saw the video described it as being "led out" or "escorted out." I don't think he saw any videos.

 

[sv614]

I agree. He was stumbling. He also claimed she was "carried out" of the building, whereas whoever saw the video described it as being "led out" or "escorted out." I don't think he saw any videos.

Ok but everything that was reported about this was reported by him, so he would be the closest source to the "anonymous" source anyway. (See my point #3 below!)

In other words, the guy in the Fox News video IS the reporter who is claiming to have spoken to the witness! And when asked about the witness, he says it's a witness he trusts and has dealt with before!

So ... let's recap:

1. A The Journal News (LoHud.com) reporter has been writing about the LS story since pretty much the very beginning:

http://www.ongo.com/v/1121154/-1/34...ers-companion-beaten-before-her-disappearance

2. 5-6 weeks later - with much reporting in between - said reporter claims a source gave him an account of the video of LS stumbling out of an elevator

http://www.jconline.com/article/201...ce-says?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p

3. The reporter's story raises eyebrows into who this witness may be, but the reporter won't budge on his source only to say that he has dealt with him before, finds him extremely trustworthy, and that he went over the story several times with the source to make sure it was a 100% accurate reflection. The reporter insists that the source understands the importance of what he was saying.

http://www.jconline.com/article/201...ce-says?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p

By the way - there are 2 possible ways to look at this. Either the leak was from LE or from someone on the inside at Smallwood. So is he implying LE leaked to him, or that he regularly deals with someone on the inside of Smallwood?

4. There are NO other reported leaks.

5. The reporter goes on Fox News to talk about this, and yet declines to disclose (at least in the clip) that he is the Senior Reporter on this story! His nonchalance and perceived distance from this story even has you guys fooled that he is just a "TV head" and is here to discuss it as a general expert.

[ame="http://video.foxnews.com/v/1125549163001/what-do-lauren-spierers-friends-know/"]Fox News Video[/ame]

6. In the video he slips and says "I saw" when referring to the video, paused and then corrects himself.

So I'm thinking this reporter got to someone and saw the video himself.

I'm not sure what all of this means exactly, but someone - likely LE but perhaps a "rogue" (ie without official permission) - wanted this angle of the story to be known. They want that narrative of stumbling, disorientation, inebriation and lack of control out there.

I think the significance of this would be that CR and his attorney probably know a bit more to this, but want to keep the narrative of LS's extreme intoxication as quiet as possible.

Why? Because that fuels the narrative of "she OD'd and someone hid her body." From what I have read on this forum, Indiana laws are not forgiving of those who give drugs to/do drugs with someone who eventually dies from use. A former DA would know that.

For the record, I don't think CR contributed to her disappearance. But I think he has a pretty good idea of who did (my money is on JR), and feels guilty by association to the night's events.

JUST MY OPINION

 

[jjenny]

I think the closest he got to that video is that somebody described it to him. There is a big difference between "carried out" and "escorted out." Any way, what difference does it really make whether he actually saw it or not?

 

[Tr.]

Do you have an answer to my question? Or a suggestion of how AB (and HT?) knows something that JR doesn't?

Until LS is located people are going to explore all avenues and multiple scenarios. You may as well get used to it and use it to explore your own theory.

Reporting a sighting of two people involved with the case does not necessarily implicate them or draw attention away from JR.
You can focus on your theory while remembering that others will and have the right to do the same.

As to Charlene's comments "pushing" towards JR and that being "our best lead", I can tell you that the earliest searches focused on the boyfriend.
At the time that was the "best lead". I never bought it but I helped search anyway and worked on my own theory along the way.
Point being, as the case evolves, theories and opinions can change. Not everyone is going to follow those leads.
Some are steadfast in their position that JW is the perp and others have their theories.
So if something I'm exploring doesn't fit with what you believe, please don't take offense or waste your time trying to convince me one way or another.

To answer your question about HT and AB. Imo the connection here is relevant for several reasons.
I don't believe that the timeline reported by JR is correct.
I suspect that:
- ZO and AB were at SW per HT's request.
- ZO assaulted CR based on something that HT told him
- HT "helped" JR with the timeline to cover the fact that LS actually left 5 North at 3:30am
- AB was spotted "assisting" LS by an eye witness at 3:38am
- LS was removed from the area by AB or AB and ZO.
- JR is covering for HT and AB and trying to conceal his drug activity.
- JW was not involved.
- Crazy as it sounds...I think HT had very intimate feelings for LS and that is what started the ball rolling so-to-speak.

 

[Tr.]

To answer your question about HT and AB. Imo the connection here is relevant for several reasons.
I don't believe that the timeline reported by JR is correct.
I suspect that:
- ZO and AB were at SW per HT's request.
- ZO assaulted CR based on something that HT told him
- HT "helped" JR with the timeline to cover the fact that LS actually left 5 North at 3:30am
- AB was spotted "assisting" LS by an eye witness at 3:38am
- LS was removed from the area by AB or AB and ZO.
- JR is covering for HT and AB and trying to conceal his drug activity.
- JW was not involved.
- Crazy as it sounds...I think HT had very intimate feelings for LS and that is what started the ball rolling so-to-speak.

I should add that I think it possible that AB took LS to JR's and then she was removed from the area.
I believe that at least three people know exactly what happened to LS that night.
JMO as always.

 

[bloom54]

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Did this guy just imply or accidentally reveal that he saw that video of LS stumbling out of the elevator at Smallwood and falling to her knees? [0:52]

"what I saw... what I learned... " I think he's just reporting on other news stories... this is Fox News after all...

I did, however, like the Judge's Summation at the end! Especially her call out to the families/parents. "We have an obligation to instill a moral core in our children..."

 

[bluebirdii]

What is the link to this facebook page?

 

[Jupiter812]

"what I saw... what I learned... " I think he's just reporting on other news stories... this is Fox News after all...

I did, however, like the Judge's Summation at the end! Especially her call out to the families/parents. "We have an obligation to instill a moral core in our children..."

I like her. :clap: I've not seen her before. Is she local? The remainder of her summation:

"...But with a wink and a nod these parents support a conspiracy of silence. I think they should put themselves in the shoes of Lauren's mother and father."

Message to any parents of POI out there in lurkdom land: LISTEN UP!

 

[Jupiter812]

What is the link to this facebook page?

I think linking to this is allowed since it is not an individual's page.

https://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=hp#!/groups/LSCD1/

 

[plaidmom]

"what I saw... what I learned... " I think he's just reporting on other news stories... this is Fox News after all...

I did, however, like the Judge's Summation at the end! Especially her call out to the families/parents. "We have an obligation to instill a moral core in our children..."

BBM

No, Shaun Coen broke the story on the elevator video. As soon as his name was mentioned, I thought it was familiar. I've always wondered who his "source" was.

Check out the links sv614 provides above.

p.s. I'm not usually a fan of FoxNews either, but that was a great find! Thanks for posting it.

 

[Chris007]

Until LS is located people are going to explore all avenues and multiple scenarios. You may as well get used to it and use it to explore your own theory.

Reporting a sighting of two people involved with the case does not necessarily implicate them or draw attention away from JR.
You can focus on your theory while remembering that others will and have the right to do the same.

As to Charlene's comments "pushing" towards JR and that being "our best lead", I can tell you that the earliest searches focused on the boyfriend.
At the time that was the "best lead". I never bought it but I helped search anyway and worked on my own theory along the way.
Point being, as the case evolves, theories and opinions can change. Not everyone is going to follow those leads.
Some are steadfast in their position that JW is the perp and others have their theories.
So if something I'm exploring doesn't fit with what you believe, please don't take offense or waste your time trying to convince me one way or another.

To answer your question about HT and AB. Imo the connection here is relevant for several reasons.
I don't believe that the timeline reported by JR is correct.
I suspect that:
- ZO and AB were at SW per HT's request.
- ZO assaulted CR based on something that HT told him
- HT "helped" JR with the timeline to cover the fact that LS actually left 5 North at 3:30am
- AB was spotted "assisting" LS by an eye witness at 3:38am
- LS was removed from the area by AB or AB and ZO.
- JR is covering for HT and AB and trying to conceal his drug activity.
- JW was not involved.
- Crazy as it sounds...I think HT had very intimate feelings for LS and that is what started the ball rolling so-to-speak.

I for some reason really agree with you on this. I think AB was the mystery man at 3:38. I also think she go to their place at 10 & College without being seen by cameras somehow. I think that the white truck might still have something to do with it since it is also related to ZO/AB and the police know a lot about these guys that is being kept out of the media.

All of this and more is just my opinion though.

 

[Mergatroid]

Hi chris007, how is the white truck related to ZO/AB?