IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #25

[imkeylime]

I think the most interesting thing about the letter is that it strongly suggests she is writing to ONE person. I just can't see any way in which ONE of LS' friends was responsible for her death/disappearance -- not least of all because few of them had access to a car. I think this letter targets a random abductor.

That said, there's no evidence whatsoever that CS has any better idea what happened than we do... So maybe she's just thinking that if a group of LS' friends knew the truth someone would have cracked by now, so -- having targeted the friends in the past with her letters -- she's now targeting a stranger on the off chance that's who she's dealing with.

That's a good point, SeaEclipse, it does seem like she's addressing one particular individual. As you said, she may be on the same journey we are, just trying to rule out and piece together ... and random abductor is what she's considering at this juncture.

I would think she has more info re: the PsOI than we do, but I have no proof of that, either.

 

[bloom54]

I have long thought, and this letter from CS doesn't change my view on this, that CS has someone helping to direct the media contact. This letter surely seems to have a different tone than earlier ones, but I think it's every bit as planned and crafted as the others have been. Surely, she has her own style... but the timing, the target... all of that seems pretty planned to me...

With the new focus on the "off the streets of Bloomington," I wonder if the video that we heard about (the one from, I believe, the back entrance to SW), had enough info to indicate that she did indeed make it back to the street....

 

[AbbeyR]

I have long thought, and this letter from CS doesn't change my view on this, that CS has someone helping to direct the media contact. This letter surely seems to have a different tone than earlier ones, but I think it's every bit as planned and crafted as the others have been. Surely, she has her own style... but the timing, the target... all of that seems pretty planned to me...

With the new focus on the "off the streets of Bloomington," I wonder if the video that we heard about (the one from, I believe, the back entrance to SW), had enough info to indicate that she did indeed make it back to the street....

I didn't interpret that part of the letter as literally as some of you. My feeling was that it was just a reiteration of the earlier part of her letter, in which she wrote: "The truth of the matter is, Lauren did disappear in Bloomington, Indiana. I apologize for our intrusion." As in, I felt that although that part was directed to the ambiguous 'you', the letter was also directed to the public, in defense of the posters and as a reminder that the posters are there -- on the streets of Bloomington, where Lauren was last seen -- because they are still searching there, still looking for tips, and the PO box is still open.

But then, it's so hard to tell when we analyze every word. Also, I may have missed something important --I'm not sure what video you are talking about behind SW?... I'll have to go back and look.

 

[Mustang Sally]

Of course, I realize when we read these that CS's mind is probably racing and every day she may have a slightly different feeling, scenario, or even perp in mind. Poor woman

Yes, and Darcyline, this ties in with my remark about manpower resources. I would think that CS would have access to someone who would help her craft letters so that her words maximized the likelyhood that this "YOU" person would give a clue to LS whereabouts. Her posts are more like free form musings.

I really admire these parents!! They are NOT going to give up on FINDING their Daughter...

Again...this case seems to be at a standstill...Cold Case???

I am praying that the Local LE's are still working on finding Lauren! She and her family deserve some closure! Sadly it will most likely be a heartbreakingly sad closure. I really feel that LAUREN is Not Longer with us. Perhaps the most telling thing is that she has most likely not taking her regular medication for her heart condition.

Dear God...Please Send Lauren Home to Those that Love Her!!

 

[Gabby66]

I have long thought, and this letter from CS doesn't change my view on this, that CS has someone helping to direct the media contact. This letter surely seems to have a different tone than earlier ones, but I think it's every bit as planned and crafted as the others have been. Surely, she has her own style... but the timing, the target... all of that seems pretty planned to me...

With the new focus on the "off the streets of Bloomington," I wonder if the video that we heard about (the one from, I believe, the back entrance to SW), had enough info to indicate that she did indeed make it back to the street....

I must have missed this video. Was this a rumor? Can you please get me up to speed on this new video? I haven't read anything about it. TIA.

 

[Pedrosmom]

I must have missed this video. Was this a rumor? Can you please get me up to speed on this new video? I haven't read anything about it. TIA.

Perhaps this is why LE keeps referring to JR seeing her round the corner onto College as if this actually did happen as if the timing matches up with the video at Smallwood - as if she actually made it to Smallwood (which would let the white truck off the hook).

That brings up more questions, she had no way of getting into her apartment at SW. She didn't have her keys. Did she call DR and ask him to let her up? Is LE going with this? (as in confirming the 4:15 call to DR from JR's phone actually was made by LS and not JR)
And, all of this coroborated by a bartender driving by SW at a time that is uncertain but in the time frame that could be very relevant.

So here's a beautiful girl, alone, stuck outside of SW, without keys or a phone and we have (1) a boyfriend that she was supposed to spend the night with (2) possible DD that may have been arranged at Killroys; (3) PsOI that were involved in an earlier altercation that forced her to leave SW; and (4) the stranger abduction theory.

If LE has a tape from SW and there are any other players on it than the PsOI already pegged, we'd be seeing pics, sketches of a possible perp, warnings to SW visitors of this dangerous perp, etc, etc. but we don't. So we rule out the stranger abduction, if and only if, there was a video at Smallwood that shows that LS actually made it back.

As I mentioned before, why did SW fight so vehemently to block LE from getting the tapes? That it took LE breaking down the door to the security office to get the tapes.

Did something happen at Smallwood?

Now on the flip side, or SW theory 2, the cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster by 5 North. The roommate, HT, gives keys to the boyfriend, JW to look in the apartment. Strange that the roommate doesn't know if LS was even home that morning but even stranger that the boyfriend thinks he might find her there.

Do the Smallwood tapes show any vehicles at that hour, perhaps, pondering what to do with the body they have in the car with them. They think the easiest thing would be to put her in her own bed and go with the overdose thing but how are they going to get her in the building without keys (hence call to DR) but the plan fails because DR won't answer the phone. There's no one else to call.

And all of that would be on the tapes at SW.

Just my theory, and I have a few.

 

[Jupiter812]

The rumor about a video of behind Smallwood is on TG's blog. One of the problems with this is there is no alley behind SW.

http://tonygatto.wordpress.com/2011...-was-thrown-out-of-bar-alone-not-with-friend/

See below post by FlowerZombie, on June 19th, 2011 00:45 at 12:45 am.

"Tony, I am sure you have heard this already, but I have it from a very reliable source, that there is video in police possession that shows two men pulling at Lauren’s clothes/attacking her in the alley behind Smallwood. I am assuming they are p.o.i., if not, they the cops have some explaining to do for not making this public."

And then there is another post after that about a black truck FWIW.

 

[Gabby66]

Thanks, Jupiter. I read the thread. There's also a post from someone who says he/she knows "for a fact" that LS was not alone and not thrown out of Sports. What do you make of that? I think whether she was thrown out or not, may be significant.

I keep going back to the shoes and more important, her cell phone. I can't imagine any bar tossing a young girl to the curb, without allowing her (or at least someone) to grab her shoes and phone for her. Even if she was totally wasted, I still struggle with her just "forgetting" them. And where was her phone anyway? Would she have placed it in a shoe? I know most kids nowadays have smart phones. Other kids steal these (I know from experience). Would she really (even in a drunken state) leave her phone in a shoe? We know that Sports had her phone. I'd think the chances would have been higher that it would have been stolen before it being turned in. We believe she had a purslet. Most phones fit inside - why wasn't it there?

Without knowing the answers to my above questions, it seems more likely that she ran out, due to fear. For God's sake, the girl likely ended up dead that night. I've said before that I don't believe in coincidences much. We know for sure there was a fight. We know she was either thrown out or left in such a hurry that she didn't bother to grab her phone/shoes. We've heard rumors of various drugs and mystery men (both at the bar and on the streets). We have a group of boys who are eerily quiet. That doesn't all add up to me to be an accident or a random abduction. Either is possible, but I'm starting to think it's more. The fact that we get quiet rumors about stuff, then it's very hushed later, is odd. I understand that LE will need to keep some things quiet, but the details that have been released are sketchy at best. We all know they HAVE to have more.

It might make sense that CS's comments would refer to some cover up. We've read rumors about this for a long time. Her "taken from the streets" AND "coward" choice of words could certainly relate to a cover up. I initially thought that "coward" referred to someone who was too scared to take her to a hospital for fear he'd be found guilty for giving her drugs. However, I couldn't wrap my head around how that related to "taken from the streets", after Jupiter pointed out that being more connected to a random abduction. I felt that a random abductor wouldn't be termed a "coward". The phrases didn't relate to me.

I have long thought the conspiracy thing was hogwash. I want to believe LE are not that corrupt. Perhaps they're not involved - or are. Not sure, but after thinking about CS's letter of the last couple of days, and adding this all up, with the new mention of a possible video/black truck (which police aren't speaking about), it makes me wonder. I absolutely agree that CS likely has someone helping her with her wording and I think there's always a message there. As I believe Jupiter pointed out, her tone has changed. She no longer seems "confidant" with LE. Add that to my mix here. I was SO sure that these boys were involved. What if they aren't directly, but maybe know something? I said a while ago - what if they aren't talking not b/c of fear of their own guilt, but b/c of fear of what could happen to them? On the other hand, what if they HAVE talked and LE isn't sharing it? I'd seriously like to NOT think there's any conspiracy or cover up. The thought makes me downright ILL. But I must admit that it's a thought spinning in my head today. It's the ONLY thing that makes sense (to me) to connect the wording in CS's letter..... taken from the streets and "coward".

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

I don't feel that I have much to contribute at this point, but I wanted to say that I am so glad to see that Lauren's case is still moving. I think of her and her family often and send good thoughts their way.

 

[Mophebius]

I haven't posted in a while and I have a few new questions that I am curious about. I have been following the case in the shadows if you wll. I will be on later today when I have more time to chat about what's new etc. Thanks for keeping this case alive, I actually feel like somehow that I am being compelled to this case. I hope and pray that the Spierer's can have the closure they seek and whoever was responsible for what happend to lauren will be held accountable!

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

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http://http://findlauren.com/letter.pdf
The following is from the above link.

However, this is a fact…Lauren last used her cell phone
at 12:16 a.m., just after midnight as June 2 became June 3 when she was
still safely in the confines of Smallwood. Consider that fact when you
read about Lauren’s case or hear her story. Let me repeat it: Lauren last
used her cell phone at 12:16 a.m., just after midnight as June 2 became
June 3 when she was still safely in the confines of Smallwood.

Question.
When she last used her cellphone at 12:16am. Did she leave small-wood and go to or back to the bar. And then left the bar later and went back to small-wood without her cell or shoes or did she leave the bar and start walking north through the alley that picked her up on camera around 3am? And a few minutes later her key and little coin purse were found not far from where she exited the alley.
There by the handrail.

Does any one have any facts with links about what Lauren was doing between the time she made the last phone call at 1216 and when she was seen leaving the alley around 3am?

And whom did she make this call to?
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[bloom54]

Now on the flip side, or SW theory 2, the cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster by 5 North. The roommate, HT, gives keys to the boyfriend, JW to look in the apartment. Strange that the roommate doesn't know if LS was even home that morning but even stranger that the boyfriend thinks he might find her there.

I've never found any of this strange... if the girls usually close their bedroom doors, then HT wouldn't have known if LS were home or not when she left... she probably assumed that she WAS at home unless she had a class to go to...

that leads to not finding it strange that HT would lend her keys to JW to check on LS at the apartment if he couldn't reach her...

 

[bloom54]

I keep going back to the shoes and more important, her cell phone. I can't imagine any bar tossing a young girl to the curb, without allowing her (or at least someone) to grab her shoes and phone for her. Even if she was totally wasted, I still struggle with her just "forgetting" them.

This one stumps me, too... I'd think that even if she left on her own steam, SOMEONE might have said, "hey, don't you want to get your shoes??" The whole shoes thing has always confounded me...

 

[bloom54]

It's been interesting the last week or so... the Herald Times has printed articles about two unsolved murder/disappearance cases... saying that they are still working them... have officers assigned, etc....

I've never noticed them doing that before, so I'm inclined to think that those articles are part of the media plan regarding LS... perhaps an opportunity to keep the whole missing person issue in the public attention without "dwelling" on LS... (one idiot commenter remarked something about "what? no mention of LS?")...

MrTT -- the HT still has (I believe) an LS timeline posted somewhere. The call made at 12:16 was PRIOR to her visit to Sports.

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

This one stumps me, too... I'd think that even if she left on her own steam, SOMEONE might have said, "hey, don't you want to get your shoes??" The whole shoes thing has always confounded me...

It was my impression she was not inside the bar/building but next to the bar they have a sand patch area where persons can set outside on sand like they are at the beach. It was my impression she left there and left her shoes there inside the sandy area to walk back to small wood before heading up to 5 north.
And i am guessing she did-not return to the bar after leaving to go to small-wood because her shoes and cell phone were still there.

I wish we could see the video of her and him returning to small wood.

LE probably knows what happened. The family probably knows what has happened. But until Lauren is found not much else is going to happen.


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[bloom54]

It was my impression she was not inside the bar/building but next to the bar they have a sand patch area where persons can set outside on sand like they are at the beach.

yes, I know... but since Sports is a business that needs to regulate entry (and, I would assume, exit - although admittedly, I've never been there!), I'm pretty sure that she had to exit through the bar area....

 

[Alliecog]

The only exit and entrance in the summer is through the sandy area.

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

The only exit and entrance in the summer is through the sandy area.

Thank-you.

And when you enter that area.
can you just set down outside and a waiter waitress will come out and take your order?

That is where her shoes were found yes?
Out there by one the lounge chairs in the sand?


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[bloom54]

The only exit and entrance in the summer is through the sandy area.

So... I assume there's a bouncer or an ID checker that people have to go through... not just an open sandy area?

 

[bloom54]

That is where her shoes were found yes?
Out there by one the lounge chairs in the sand?


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I don't believe we were ever privy to that information. We know that her phone was found at Sports -- but not WHERE it was found... and I don't recall ever reading about her shoes being found....