IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #3

[curiousgirl2010]

I thought you all might find this interesting. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011312548_drugoverdoses11.html

This law was passed in Washington State to encourage reporting of OD's after some recent deaths occurred due to fear of punishment for drug offences.

Great Law.

 

[katydid23]

I just talked to a friend that I had discussed Lauren's case with and I told her of later developments and the possibility of an OD.

She replied: Well, but if this was an OD, her body would have been found.

Then I told her that the speculation is that her friends might have freaked out and hid the body.

She said: That makes no sense. If it was a drug accident, it would make no sense for them to conceal of their friend's body.

I agree with her. The drug OD and friends hiding the body seems too much like a conspiracy to me.

Now if one of them hurt her, that's a different story.

Unfortunately, that exact thing happened in our town a couple of years ago. There was a body found of a 17 yr old high school girl. She was in a shallow ditch in the Malibu Hills, not far from the main road. And police were surprised to find that she was not sexually assaulted and had no obvious injuries. Within days they figured out that she had OD'd on heroin and oxycontin and her best friend, a male student, had taken her body and tried to hide it.

His friends who were there at the time said he had carried her to his car saying he was taking her to the fire station, which was a mile away. But I guess she died so he was too afraid so he dumped her instead. [ Why didn't they call for help though? ]

Anyway, I just wanted to say that it CAN happen in that way. And sadly it does.

 

[mrsu]

Remember too...these POI's aren't obligated to talk to LE. Most normal folks would, however, does Terri Horman ring a bell?? I'm not sure we've ever heard her speak nor has her attorney hardly ever uttered a word. Poor Kyron has been missing over a year now.

If she isn't found, this case could drag on for a very long time.

 

[shockedandappalled]

Reading everything today, I'm leaning more toward the drug thing as well. I'm not sure if it was all 3 of them, but I think #1 suspect is JR. I'm also thinking JR is the one that left later in the day she went missing. I think she OD'd and he probably left with her in a suitcase or something. I don't think any of them are dumb enough to leave at that time of the night and dump her somewhere. I think they maybe loaded her up that night, put her in a duffel bag/suitcase and put her in the trunk, and JR left the next day.

He has a name and it is JR.

I am sickened by the posts I am reading here. My daughter is a friend of his. There is NO evidence that he has done anything wrong and if there was the police would have detained him or made him return.

There is no evidence of his being a drug user let alone drug dealer.

Did you ever think that IF these people had NOTHING to do with her disappearance that for the rest of their lives they will have to deal with the rumors here and everywhere?

And if they had something to do with it then the police will find out and charge them. Then you can make all the comments you want about the TRUTH.

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[jjenny]

Police can not detain anyone without actual evidence. Especially if they don't have a body. And unfortunately for JR even if he had absolutely nothing to do with her disappearance, he is the last known person to have seen her before she went missing.

 

[coltsgal]

He has a name and it is JR.

I am sickened by the posts I am reading here. My daughter is a friend of his. There is NO evidence that he has done anything wrong and if there was the police would have detained him or made him return.

There is no evidence of his being a drug user let alone drug dealer.

Did you ever think that IF these people had NOTHING to do with her disappearance that for the rest of their lives they will have to deal with the rumors here and everywhere?

And if they had something to do with it then the police will find out and charge them. Then you can make all the comments you want about the TRUTH.

<modsnip>.

With all due respect, we abbreviate the names, and it's not meant to be offensive. This form is for discussion, theories, and reporting media coverage. I dont believe anyone is crucifying him. Everyone has their speculations at this point, but no one here is ready to send any of them to the chair. We dont know the truth, yet. Therefore all of this discussion is speculation based on our observations.

 

[shockedandappalled]

With all due respect, we abbreviate the names, and it's not meant to be offensive. This form is for discussion, theories, and reporting media coverage. I dont believe anyone is crucifying hin. Everyone has their speculations at this point, but no one here is ready to send any of them to the chair. We dont know the truth, yet. Therefore all of this discussion is speculation based on our observations.

Maybe if their names were used and they were not depersonalized then it would not be so easy to crucify him.

I never said everyone was however that post was disturbing as are the others that state Jay is a drug dealer.

I have read nothing about him in the news that indicated he was doing drugs or drinking. MB was sober. CR had been drinking and yes had done stupid things in the past however again there was nothing in the news about them doing drugs.

I am not saying they were not<modsnip> statements like he is the drug user and he hid her body in the trunk is disturbing.

We don't know the truth and I had thought that this place was were people discussed the facts that have come out and maybe brained stormed on ways to help or things that could have been overlooked.

Or pointed out what is being reported. I do not have the time to follow all the different news reports so I started reading here thinking I could quickly get a summation.

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[Salem]

Okay - stop now. No fighting in the threads. Get back on topic.

Remember - we don't tell others how to post, we do NOT print full names unless it is of the victim or a named suspect (there are reasons for that).

Thanks guys and let's move on now.

Salem

 

[VeryVeritas]

I know there is a lot of talk about drugs and I understand why, but I would think if drugs had something to do with it, it would have happened before she left apart. #2 and that she never did walk the last leg that we are hearing about. I doubt the drug thing happened if she was walking alone at 4:15. It seems weird that at that point she would have been "trying" to score drugs.

maybe drugs didn't even have anything to do with her disappearance..my "guess" is no

I agree. The closeness of these friends and the nature of Cocaine use in this setting is not like someone ramped up needing a quick fix. I appreciate the speculation around the parking lot, vehicles, etc. If cocaine were involved its far more likely that it was openly available inside one of these apartments. I had asked before for students to post what is typical after the bars close. As someone stated a few posts up, after the bars close partying usually involves drugs and especially cocaine. There are some obvious and not so obvious reasons for this. If anyone has been exposed to this culture they would have a better understanding. For one thing, unless one is an alcoholic the dehydration and alcohol toxicity starts to kick in, the vomitting, the spins, followed by the hangover. After someone has been down that road a few times they usually will back away from it for a while. After being awake all day in school, then out with friends and having a few drinks, at 3:00 am smoking pot tends to make people who are drained very relaxed and likely to want to snooze... or get a snack and then snooze. So, that's often not the time to start a session like that unless one is well rested and planning being awake for a while. That's how cocaine got into this picture with the college party crowd (not recently, but for well over 30 years now) Cocaine is a central nervous system stimulant, the most powerful naturally occurring stimulant I think that has ever been discovered. Alcohol is a CNS DEPRESSANT. So my observations have been that people partying will tend to shift from alcohol to pot and/or cocaine. Pot does not have the horrendous effects of too much alcohol consumption, so a lot of people are drawn to that and many prefer it over alcohol. Yet, there are a lot of people that don't want to be in that haze, or much prefer the stimulant and pleasurable effects of Cocaine.
After drinking too much booze, people usually feel awful, and cocaine can counteract that feeling. The trouble is that just as with any drug (including legal prescriptions, alcohol, or even herbs) mixing them can be very toxic.
Mixing alcohol and cocaine is dangerous. It's very hard on the body.
It does however give one the feeling or illusion that they are sober, or depending on the quantity even better than sober. It's like the old thinking that all you had to do was drink a lot of coffee and that would sober someone up. But coke is many times more stimulating than caffeine and at the same time increases feelings of pleasure in the brain.
So, the pattern seems to be have a few drinks, and then when the day and the booze start to make you feel like hell, then do some coke and all is well. This became associated with giving people the stamina they needed to perform sexually, whereas with booze and pot they would just crash. Of course there is no free lunch, eventually the coke wears off and then one crashes even harder. Being a powerful stimulant coke has definitely been known to kill people with heart arrhythmias or congenital heart defects.

Just curious what people think the penalty should be if this is how it went down? Who would be to blame?

 

[mrsu]

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You are right. However, there is also no evidence of Lauren being seen after he was with her. At this point, he remains the last one she was known to be with and is a POI for a reason, he would be cleared by the police otherwise. There is a reason he, as well as at least 3 of the other guys, have not been cleared.

Due to the fact that nothing has been found, police have already stated that they can't prevent anyone from leaving OR compel them to come back.

I have seen chatter on various articles as well as FB from locals who have mentioned drug use amongst these 3 men. You are right in saying there is no evidence, and again, that could be the case. However, I'm sure there are many parents that are shocked when they find out what their intelligent, caring child with street smarts has been involved in. Sad thing is, most of the times it's too late.

That being said, I'm interested to hear what you and your daughter think happened?

 

[ingra1327]

The conversation about drug use is a rumor that the police have addressed in today's press conference. We should only be discussing this information in that context. I agree that there is no reason to suggest that anyone hid Lauren's body in a trunk.

 

[cluciano63]

Lately it seems as though missing people just are not being found...the amount of media coverage seems to have no effect on the outcome of the cases. Lauren is getting a lot, so did Holly Bobo for a while, Hailey Dunn, Kyron Horman, Bethany Decker, Susan Powell, Haleigh Cummings, Tara Grimstead, Jennifer Kesse, Julie Gonzales, Maura Murray, etc...and yet they all remain missing.

Apparently it is not as hard as we would like to think to hide a body, as most if not all of the above are most likely deceased.

 

[jjenny]

Lately it seems as though missing people just are not being found...the amount of media coverage seems to have no effect on the outcome of the cases. Lauren is getting a lot, so did Holly Bobo for a while, Hailey Dunn, Kyron Horman, Bethany Decker, Susan Powell, Haleigh Cummings, Tara Grimstead, Jennifer Kesse, Julie Gonzales, Maura Murray, etc...and yet they all remain missing.

Apparently it is not as hard as we would like to think to hide a body, as most if not all of the above are most likely deceased.

There also missing people who have been found (dead or alive). While publicity might not help all the time, I don't think it could hurt.

 

[mrsu]

The conversation about drug use is a rumor that the police have addressed in today's press conference. We should only be discussing this information in that context. I agree that there is no reason to suggest that anyone hid Lauren's body in a trunk.

Personally, I don't see why it isn't? I know it's not what anyone wants to think, myself included. If the drug use rumor is true, I was speculating on what could have happened. She is nowhere in sight as of yet, after extensive searches. It seems as if she has disappeared into thin air. I'm speculating, if something happened while she was under the care of any of these 3 guys, regardless of drug use, if she hasn't been found, they would need to get her out of the area somehow.

MOO

 

[VeryVeritas]

It's possible that the cause of death might have been alcohol poisoning, but ingestion of cocaine or some other drug previously that night might have caused panic among those with her.

I live near a New York college dorm and have seen students being taken to ERs for alcohol poisoning.

These days Ecstasy is also increasing in popularity and of course there are the date rape drugs too. It's not inconceivable that she earlier had willingly or uknowingly been slipped some other drug. Later, adding something like even a small amount of coke to the mix might have added up to a deadly cocktail.
I've met more than my share of people with a brother or sister who had been slipped something in a beer and died. It's true that even just ODing on alcohol could be deadly. With Lauren's size, she would definitely be more sensitive to all of these things. Along with her heart condition, it would certainly be very risky for her to party at all. It's risky for anyone, but add a low body weight (which dramatically increases potency) and heart condition and it's multiplied. This is certainly one of the reasons I think accidental death is the most likely.

 

[JeannaT]

Lately it seems as though missing people just are not being found...the amount of media coverage seems to have no effect on the outcome of the cases. Lauren is getting a lot, so did Holly Bobo for a while, Hailey Dunn, Kyron Horman, Bethany Decker, Susan Powell, Haleigh Cummings, Tara Grimstead, Jennifer Kesse, Julie Gonzales, Maura Murray, etc...and yet they all remain missing.

Apparently it is not as hard as we would like to think to hide a body, as most if not all of the above are most likely deceased.

Well, if the perp is either a stranger or someone they aren't really concentrating on, it's INCREDIBLY easy to hide a body. If LE doesn't already focus on the perp, if they're a stranger to LE or a virtual unsuspected person to the family, they're TOTALLY in the clear. I think we all could figure out how to hide a body where no one would ever, ever find it, if we weren't already a suspect.

 

[ingra1327]

Personally, I don't see why it isn't? I know it's not what anyone wants to think, myself included. If the drug use rumor is true, I was speculating on what could have happened. She is nowhere in sight as of yet, after extensive searches. It seems as if she has disappeared into thin air. I'm speculating, if something happened while she was under the care of any of these 3 guys, regardless of drug use, if she hasn't been found, they would need to get her out of the area somehow.

MOO

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I was merely saying that there is no evidence or information released to the public that supports that theory at this time, not that it isn't a possibility. My comment was in response to a post that has since been removed.

 

[mrsu]

I've noticed some comments around FB from locals about "benzos". I am not familiar with them. Anyone know what kind of a high you get from these pills? I'm assuming mixed with alcohol could be scary?

 

[shockedandappalled]

<modsnip>

You are right. However, there is also no evidence of Lauren being seen after he was with her. At this point, he remains the last one she was known to be with and is a POI for a reason, he would be cleared by the police otherwise. There is a reason he, as well as at least 3 of the other guys, have not been cleared.

Due to the fact that nothing has been found, police have already stated that they can't prevent anyone from leaving OR compel them to come back.

I have seen chatter on various articles as well as FB from locals who have mentioned drug use amongst these 3 men. You are right in saying there is no evidence, and again, that could be the case. However, I'm sure there are many parents that are shocked when they find out what their intelligent, caring child with street smarts has been involved in. Sad thing is, most of the times it's too late.

That being said, I'm interested to hear what you and your daughter think happened?

My daughter thinks it was a stranger from what she has been hearing.

And I hope it is a stranger b/c that would mean the chances of Lauren being okay and coming back would be greater if she was kidnapped.

 

[coltsgal]

My gut says that none of these guys wanted to intentionally hurt her. She seemed to be loved and adored by everyone she encountered, and all of her friends are very fond of her. JW seemed to love her lots, JR also was a close friend it seems by the reports. That's why I am swaying towards the accidental theory as well.