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Can you provide a link or summarize? What are the violent acts he was arrested and convicted for? The articles I have read detail his history of flashing and an incident where he repeatedly called and threatened an ex.

Well Hello those of you who actually care about Lauren Spierer. <modsnip> If only we all had people that cared even a fraction as much. I saw the news...
As usual, people are ready to knee jerk blame someone that probably has nothing to do with this case.

What is this case? "Anything is possible"... uh... no.
No, UFO's did not come and pick LS up and whiz her away...
No, mentally ill homeless people living under railroad tracks did not just bump into her and make her vanish.
Lauren Spierer was with so-called friends that night she vanished.
Friends who shared drugs of various kinds, and consumed various amounts of alcohol with her. Her shoes and phone (something people find akin to a bodily organ today, was nearly as important when this disappearance occurred) were left at a bar where she sat with one of those "friends". First weird question in this case is why did she leave the shoes and phone there? If you were thinking that perhaps she was drugged and intoxicated, you get a gold star.
Ok, so then she manages with assistance of her "friend" to be escorted back to her rather upscale apartment. Only thing is... she doesn't quite get to the apartment. She gets into the building. How do we know this? CAMERAS. Yep, silly thing that technology.
CAMERAS captured her and the friend inside the apartment building. Now uh... she can't really stand up in the elevator, and sort of slips down, even a wall can't hold her up. Ever been that wasted? She couldn't exactly rely on the "friend" to help her from melting down the wall... because he was too busy being confronted and biatch slapped by a troop of so-called hero do gooders who did nothing to help her stand. Instead they made sure her friend knew who was boss. Seem a bit surreal? nah... not yet. And yes that punch to the head her "friend" sustained for "standing his ground", was captured on video. A video LE wanted so badly they rammed doors in to get to it. The BPD LE goes to great lengths to demonstrate the immense chivalry displayed by the roving band of ****s who popped her friend. Well that might have been the sour end of a crazy night right there... but no... they were just getting started. Lauren Spierer and her "friend" were only beginning to enter the rabbit hole. Even though she can't stand because her legs are like gelatin dessert, her "friend's" spokesperson(s) later say she helped him home. It's the land of illusion folks! She did those tricks for the camera right? They head towards his place (which is a luxury apartment he shares with a roomy, and is adjacent to other "friends" with an even better set up). Along the way (perhaps they were chasing a rabbit?) they stop at one of her female "friends" apartments and knock on the door. The gals were evidently fascinated and peeped to see who was out there, but didn't want that mess coming inside, so they kept the door shut. What was the mess? Um well a wiggly legged wasted girlfriend and some creepy guy slithering around. Ya, I wouldn't open the door either. Keep that stuff outside right? Oh ya, time for a breather. She has to sit down. But... wawawaa...wait... everything is spinnning... and boom head goes down... and BANG hits the concrete really hard! Every do that folk? Ever been so messed up that your legs are gummy worms, so you sit down and then crack your head on cement because well it take a great deal of effort to either stay conscious or not fall over, you know, right? Now, this would have been a perfect time for that dude with the trenchcoat and 1 inch penis to snatch her up. And well some so-called bartender claimed she saw such a thing. Only the time didn't really match up with the clock in the real world, and there was no trench coat dude, just someone that pretty much looked like her "friend". But that couldn't have happened because LE says so. So, onward, right. Yup, somehow the "friend" prys her up and she must be feeling great right? I mean by now that slam on the concrete must have made her totally sober and clear as a bell. Just for kicks though, the "friend" makes like a gent and sort of "helps" her through an alley that connects to a gravel lot behind his building. It's a pretty big lot, but not big enough that you would install lights or anything. I mean it's not like anyone is going to vanish. But fall, yes people could fall. And yes, she did fall. Ya, the goofy friend thought it would be funny to let her walk on her own and see what happens... what? You never got a friend messed up and then let them go to see if they would hit the ground again? You must have led a sheltered life, cause apparently in this town it's not strange at all. You probably though she would cover her pretty face and all as she was crashing down into the gravel, huh? Nope. this is one tough lady. She was going to do it like a man, yes indeed. Face down into the gravel and keep the arms away from the face and go down like a champ. I know what you are thinking... she must be unconscious. Nah... that would be silly. Even though the video only captures some odd stuff going on (which LE keeps secret), surely she sprung right back to her feet and perhaps did cartwheels all the way to the "friend's" abode. Oh not quite you say? Just because a distance away (something like 20 ft.) in a direction perpendicular to the route to the "friend's" building, some of her things were found on the ground it means diddly right? Yeah, a wallet thing and some other stuff. Ya, really. And some guy was there like 5 minutes later and put it up on a ledge because he saw the stuff. Did he see anything, nope. Seems odd huh? Perhaps she sprinted to the "friend's" place.
She's probably been there so many times she can cartwheel sprint there while unconscious. Oh yeah that's right, she was there earlier in the day (well actually midnight, but that's the beginning of the day for a party) before going to that bar place. Sure, you probably have figured out that she was having a really good time and wanted some more of that stuff that makes you hit your head on the cement like an egg. Ya, eggs break and stuff, but not human heads, you can bang them on concrete and gravel and everything is fine. Next this gracious "friend" now is so bad off that she must have carried him home. I know, right? Gravel has different affects on people when they slam into it. In this case she no longer needed personal items, guess like a saint she didn't need attachment to things anymore, so she just left them laying around. Must be sacred cement that enlightened her. Thankfully, she got the "friend" to his place. There his kind and super interested room mate gets him off to bed, while also asking if she would like to stay. But no way... by this time... she was REALLY ready to party. I mean they were such nice boys. Who cares that much about their wasted jerk roomy that they tuck them neatly in bed? This roomy sounds like such a pal, you know the kind that would DO ANYTHING FOR A "FRIEND"? He's so nice he takes her to the Party at the friend's" place. Only it's not much of a party. It's run mostly by this loser guy who gives girls sobriety tests to see if they can wander around amongst derelicts on their way home. You know sort of like how much fun it used to be to slit a chicken's throat and then let it flap around while the blood gushed out. Since, it would be too boring to slip on some flip flops and walk her home 2 full blocks! What selfrespecting punk would do that. She's there at this "friend's" place for about an hour. She tries to make calls on an ipod, ya we all do that right? After finding a real phone, the Hatter dude lets her make 2 calls. She was such a jokester, she called the dude with the xanax who was sharing it earlier. He doesn't pick up... she makes another call too. Or, well someone makes these 2 calls. Doesn't matter if she's awake or not, or alive or not for these calls, that would only raise suspicion.
Darn, no answers so guess she will just have to walk home barefoot. That is.. after showing her party host that she can walk a line better than Johnny Cash. Nah, she's not really going home. She is going to prance around looking for pre-dawn trench coat sleezbags to abduct her. Sure it's only 2 blocks to her apt. But that's a long way when you are liquid. Maybe 5 or 10 minutes if you crawl on your hands and knees. So be sure to take the path that makes no sense that early in the A.M. hours. Sure you think she's superhuman right? Who could sustain these serious blows to the head, and party until everyone else is asleep? As it happens the trenchcoat pervert knows where all the cameras are. Both her and he manage to evade every camera, so they become totally invisible. She's probably just sitting there next to you right now.
Well, it's that or her "friends" are full of it and she's dead and they know why.
Nah... can't be that... so let's go back to the UFO thing... or look for some other scapegoat so the case will go away.

Good thing her "friends" aren't cooperating with LE, and they do have lawyers. Otherwise, jeez they might look guilty.
 
Hey, guys! Long time listener, first time caller. :) I live in Indiana and have been following this case off and on since 2011.

I am so creeped out by this JW guy. Has anyone seen this article from earlier today? http://www.idsnews.com/article/2016/02/searching-for-ties

They interview JW's dad and grandfather, who are reminiscing over childhood photos and talking about what a great kid he was (not that they sound like they truly believe that). The article then states that, "After he graduated from high school, Justin Wagers took a job with Sub-Surface of Indiana, a Morgantown, Indiana, excavation company..."

Seriously?! He was an EXCAVATOR???


geez, I was just reading that article and was about to post about the excavation jobs!!! Yes, maybe he didn't "do it" but
here is a guy who could definitely help someone disappear a body.

Also, the mom says, "If he did it, he needs help, not prison."
No, no, no Mom, if he did it, he needs to be locked up and the key thrown way far away, let's just melt the key down.
 
Well Hello those of you who actually care about Lauren Spierer. <modsnip> If only we all had people that cared even a fraction as much. I saw the news...
As usual, people are ready to knee jerk blame someone that probably has nothing to do with this case.

What is this case? "Anything is possible"... uh... no.
No, UFO's did not come and pick LS up and whiz her away...
No, mentally ill homeless people living under railroad tracks did not just bump into her and make her vanish.
Lauren Spierer was with so-called friends that night she vanished.
Friends who shared drugs of various kinds, and consumed various amounts of alcohol with her. Her shoes and phone (something people find akin to a bodily organ today, was nearly as important when this disappearance occurred) were left at a bar where she sat with one of those "friends". First weird question in this case is why did she leave the shoes and phone there? If you were thinking that perhaps she was drugged and intoxicated, you get a gold star.
Ok, so then she manages with assistance of her "friend" to be escorted back to her rather upscale apartment. Only thing is... she doesn't quite get to the apartment. She gets into the building. How do we know this? CAMERAS. Yep, silly thing that technology.
CAMERAS captured her and the friend inside the apartment building. Now uh... she can't really stand up in the elevator, and sort of slips down, even a wall can't hold her up. Ever been that wasted? She couldn't exactly rely on the "friend" to help her from melting down the wall... because he was too busy being confronted and biatch slapped by a troop of so-called hero do gooders who did nothing to help her stand. Instead they made sure her friend knew who was boss. Seem a bit surreal? nah... not yet. And yes that punch to the head her "friend" sustained for "standing his ground", was captured on video. A video LE wanted so badly they rammed doors in to get to it. The BPD LE goes to great lengths to demonstrate the immense chivalry displayed by the roving band of ****s who popped her friend. Well that might have been the sour end of a crazy night right there... but no... they were just getting started. Lauren Spierer and her "friend" were only beginning to enter the rabbit hole. Even though she can't stand because her legs are like gelatin dessert, her "friend's" spokesperson(s) later say she helped him home. It's the land of illusion folks! She did those tricks for the camera right? They head towards his place (which is a luxury apartment he shares with a roomy, and is adjacent to other "friends" with an even better set up). Along the way (perhaps they were chasing a rabbit?) they stop at one of her female "friends" apartments and knock on the door. The gals were evidently fascinated and peeped to see who was out there, but didn't want that mess coming inside, so they kept the door shut. What was the mess? Um well a wiggly legged wasted girlfriend and some creepy guy slithering around. Ya, I wouldn't open the door either. Keep that stuff outside right? Oh ya, time for a breather. She has to sit down. But... wawawaa...wait... everything is spinnning... and boom head goes down... and BANG hits the concrete really hard! Every do that folk? Ever been so messed up that your legs are gummy worms, so you sit down and then crack your head on cement because well it take a great deal of effort to either stay conscious or not fall over, you know, right? Now, this would have been a perfect time for that dude with the trenchcoat and 1 inch penis to snatch her up. And well some so-called bartender claimed she saw such a thing. Only the time didn't really match up with the clock in the real world, and there was no trench coat dude, just someone that pretty much looked like her "friend". But that couldn't have happened because LE says so. So, onward, right. Yup, somehow the "friend" prys her up and she must be feeling great right? I mean by now that slam on the concrete must have made her totally sober and clear as a bell. Just for kicks though, the "friend" makes like a gent and sort of "helps" her through an alley that connects to a gravel lot behind his building. It's a pretty big lot, but not big enough that you would install lights or anything. I mean it's not like anyone is going to vanish. But fall, yes people could fall. And yes, she did fall. Ya, the goofy friend thought it would be funny to let her walk on her own and see what happens... what? You never got a friend messed up and then let them go to see if they would hit the ground again? You must have led a sheltered life, cause apparently in this town it's not strange at all. You probably though she would cover her pretty face and all as she was crashing down into the gravel, huh? Nope. this is one tough lady. She was going to do it like a man, yes indeed. Face down into the gravel and keep the arms away from the face and go down like a champ. I know what you are thinking... she must be unconscious. Nah... that would be silly. Even though the video only captures some odd stuff going on (which LE keeps secret), surely she sprung right back to her feet and perhaps did cartwheels all the way to the "friend's" abode. Oh not quite you say? Just because a distance away (something like 20 ft.) in a direction perpendicular to the route to the "friend's" building, some of her things were found on the ground it means diddly right? Yeah, a wallet thing and some other stuff. Ya, really. And some guy was there like 5 minutes later and put it up on a ledge because he saw the stuff. Did he see anything, nope. Seems odd huh? Perhaps she sprinted to the "friend's" place.
She's probably been there so many times she can cartwheel sprint there while unconscious. Oh yeah that's right, she was there earlier in the day (well actually midnight, but that's the beginning of the day for a party) before going to that bar place. Sure, you probably have figured out that she was having a really good time and wanted some more of that stuff that makes you hit your head on the cement like an egg. Ya, eggs break and stuff, but not human heads, you can bang them on concrete and gravel and everything is fine. Next this gracious "friend" now is so bad off that she must have carried him home. I know, right? Gravel has different affects on people when they slam into it. In this case she no longer needed personal items, guess like a saint she didn't need attachment to things anymore, so she just left them laying around. Must be sacred cement that enlightened her. Thankfully, she got the "friend" to his place. There his kind and super interested room mate gets him off to bed, while also asking if she would like to stay. But no way... by this time... she was REALLY ready to party. I mean they were such nice boys. Who cares that much about their wasted jerk roomy that they tuck them neatly in bed? This roomy sounds like such a pal, you know the kind that would DO ANYTHING FOR A "FRIEND"? He's so nice he takes her to the Party at the friend's" place. Only it's not much of a party. It's run mostly by this loser guy who gives girls sobriety tests to see if they can wander around amongst derelicts on their way home. You know sort of like how much fun it used to be to slit a chicken's throat and then let it flap around while the blood gushed out. Since, it would be too boring to slip on some flip flops and walk her home 2 full blocks! What selfrespecting punk would do that. She's there at this "friend's" place for about an hour. She tries to make calls on an ipod, ya we all do that right? After finding a real phone, the Hatter dude lets her make 2 calls. She was such a jokester, she called the dude with the xanax who was sharing it earlier. He doesn't pick up... she makes another call too. Or, well someone makes these 2 calls. Doesn't matter if she's awake or not, or alive or not for these calls, that would only raise suspicion.
Darn, no answers so guess she will just have to walk home barefoot. That is.. after showing her party host that she can walk a line better than Johnny Cash. Nah, she's not really going home. She is going to prance around looking for pre-dawn trench coat sleezbags to abduct her. Sure it's only 2 blocks to her apt. But that's a long way when you are liquid. Maybe 5 or 10 minutes if you crawl on your hands and knees. So be sure to take the path that makes no sense that early in the A.M. hours. Sure you think she's superhuman right? Who could sustain these serious blows to the head, and party until everyone else is asleep? As it happens the trenchcoat pervert knows where all the cameras are. Both her and he manage to evade every camera, so they become totally invisible. She's probably just sitting there next to you right now.
Well, it's that or her "friends" are full of it and she's dead and they know why.
Nah... can't be that... so let's go back to the UFO thing... or look for some other scapegoat so the case will go away.

Good thing her "friends" aren't cooperating with LE, and they do have lawyers. Otherwise, jeez they might look guilty.
no sarcasm there, right? or am I missing something?
 
As usual, people are ready to knee jerk blame someone that probably has nothing to do with this case.

Good thing her "friends" aren't cooperating with LE, and they do have lawyers. Otherwise, jeez they might look guilty.

sbm....I applaud le for the work they are doing for Lauren. may it help this family stop a bit of their suffering.

I believe Lauren's friends had nothing to do with her disappearance - if some of them are still retaining lawyers- as we know- that is prudent and does not make one appear aguilty to those of us familiar with the law.
 
I just wish we knew how this guy got on the radar firstly, and secondly was elevated to being publicly named, two properties searched, truck towed/searched, DNA sought....

A lot of speculation about connections, theories of the crime, probabilities, etc. would all be more focused with just that first single piece of information.

Compare the situation to DM... In that case a jailhouse informant talked and DM had murdered a college girl that he'd abducted. And we didn't see all of this with that case. So if it was just a jailhouse informant for this JW guy then how did it get to the next level (as it at least seems to have as far as the media knows and as far as LE announced)? How would being a SO move the needle more for him than for DM, all else being equal (jailhouse informant scenario)? ....And that is assuming jailhouse informant scenario...

I suppose the credibility of the informant might come into play, but considering what DM has already alleged to have done I don't see how you could disregard what the informant said.
 
as unbelievable as it seems, 5N could still be involved. I have always said if she were hidden here a local would be the one who could hide her so she wouldn't be found.

There has to be an informer, IMO LE didn't follow clues to Wagers house.

^I completely agree. Besides their obvious shadiness, lack of morals, and bad judgment, the way they behaved in the immediate aftermath, IMHO, cannot be explained in any way except that they were involved. I am convinced that they were involved (though I don't know to what extent), but they know what happened. At least JR, and most likely DB, if not a few others. And I definitely agree that a local would be the one to know how to get rid of a body, and JW really seems like the kind of local who not only could, but would, and with little or no remorse.

<modsnip> But this is what I've been thinking about:


<modsnip>

SO....here's my thought. What if, during the hour or so they were at JR's apartment they actually did start to sober up a just a little bit, like enough that they wanted to get more *advertiser censored**ed up. They're out of coke, and someone's like, "Well....I know this guy that sells meth." So they call JW (the mystery call? the Martinsville ping?) and they're like, "We're too messed up to drive but we want to buy some meth" or whatever. Obviously a Martinsville meth dealer would loooooove a bunch of rich idiots in Bloomington and would probably cater to whatever they wanted.

So JW drives his white pickup down to BTown to go to 5N to go into JR's apartment and sell them something. In the 20 minutes it would have taken JW to drive there, maybe Lauren OD'd, had her heart problem rear its ugly head, anything. In that case they would have called JW again and been like, "We need your help, man." They pile in the pickup, with Lauren and someone else in the bed of the truck, and take her body somewhere. OR, maybe they originally asked him to pick them up and bring them to his house (because, obviously it would have been dangerous for THEM to drive - eyeroll). If so, they all pile in his truck, head to Martinsville, and then...who knows. I'd hate to think that things happened the way that <modsnip> person said, but it wouldn't be a total shock given the other equally horrifying possibilities.
 
Another thing I wanted to say about the 5N guys. I completely agree that for them to retain lawyers was prudent and does NOT implicate them in any way. BUT, I've heard so many people say that the main reason they don't believe these guys could have been involved is that someone would have slipped up by now. I don't really think that's true for this crew. Normal people, yes, but this crew is not normal.

I think that whoever was there knows and has not told anyone else. I think the potential of someone, years later, telling their girlfriend and then she tells whoever, and eventually it all comes out is not that real here. Yes, for normal people whose consciences would be eating away at them for years, that would be a definite possibility. But I think they're so used to getting away with everything that they've developed a feeling of entitlement to have everything swept under the rug and then it's out of sight, out of mind.

Have you looked these guys up on LinkedIn? They are NOT the jobless millennials living in their parents' basements we all hear about on the news. They are day traders, successful tech entrepreneurs, etc. And considering their whole world - and their value system - is based on money, I think they'd protect themselves and their lifestyles instead of worrying about trivial matters like doing the right thing.
 
Another thing I wanted to say about the 5N guys. I completely agree that for them to retain lawyers was prudent and does NOT implicate them in any way. BUT, I've heard so many people say that the main reason they don't believe these guys could have been involved is that someone would have slipped up by now. I don't really think that's true for this crew. Normal people, yes, but this crew is not normal.

I think that whoever was there knows and has not told anyone else. I think the potential of someone, years later, telling their girlfriend and then she tells whoever, and eventually it all comes out is not that real here. Yes, for normal people whose consciences would be eating away at them for years, that would be a definite possibility. But I think they're so used to getting away with everything that they've developed a feeling of entitlement to have everything swept under the rug and then it's out of sight, out of mind.

Have you looked these guys up on LinkedIn? They are NOT the jobless millennials living in their parents' basements we all hear about on the news. They are day traders, successful tech entrepreneurs, etc. And considering their whole world - and their value system - is based on money, I think they'd protect themselves and their lifestyles instead of worrying about trivial matters like doing the right thing.

Not wowed by their resumes -- day trader is a get-rich-never scheme and "tech entrepreneur" can mean anything from from "Facebook founder" to "Smoking pot and playing video games all day." JMO.
 
I just wish we knew how this guy got on the radar firstly, and secondly was elevated to being publicly named, two properties searched, truck towed/searched, DNA sought....

A lot of speculation about connections, theories of the crime, probabilities, etc. would all be more focused with just that first single piece of information.

Compare the situation to DM... In that case a jailhouse informant talked and DM had murdered a college girl that he'd abducted. And we didn't see all of this with that case. So if it was just a jailhouse informant for this JW guy then how did it get to the next level (as it at least seems to have as far as the media knows and as far as LE announced)? How would being a SO move the needle more for him than for DM, all else being equal (jailhouse informant scenario)? ....And that is assuming jailhouse informant scenario...

I suppose the credibility of the informant might come into play, but considering what DM has already alleged to have done I don't see how you could disregard what the informant said.

One possibility could be that LE was able to rule out DM's involvement in Lauren's disappearance (based on his location, alibi, etc) so further investigation wasn't necessary... They ruled him out in Marina Boelter's case very quickly, according to her parents, though LE did not announce this publicly.

But yes, knowing what brought about the search is the key to knowing if he is actually linked to Lauren (and others) or just another potential dead end
 
One possibility could be that LE was able to rule out DM's involvement in Lauren's disappearance (based on his location, alibi, etc) so further investigation wasn't necessary... They ruled him out in Marina Boelter's case very quickly, according to her parents, though LE did not announce this publicly.

But yes, knowing what brought about the search is the key to knowing if he is actually linked to Lauren (and others) or just another potential dead end

DM could still be involved. If he is facing trial he will need to be telling the DA whatever he can to avoid LWOP.
 
Hey, guys! Long time listener, first time caller. :) I live in Indiana and have been following this case off and on since 2011.

I am so creeped out by this JW guy. Has anyone seen this article from earlier today? http://www.idsnews.com/article/2016/02/searching-for-ties

They interview JW's dad and grandfather, who are reminiscing over childhood photos and talking about what a great kid he was (not that they sound like they truly believe that). The article then states that, "After he graduated from high school, Justin Wagers took a job with Sub-Surface of Indiana, a Morgantown, Indiana, excavation company..."

Seriously?! He was an EXCAVATOR???


Welcome to the group and that's a great first post..
 
What I find odd about this latest suspect is not only the effort they put into it, apparently searching 2 properties, bringing in the FBI on at least one of the searches, and trying to obtain DNA from this guy, but that they admitted that it was directly connected to LS (and I believe they also said two other cases (or 3?).

To me this indicates a specific tip from a person connected to the POI. That could be a credible tip ... or it could be someone with an axe to grind.

So far, the investigation of this person has not come up with anything -- as far we know. If that changes, it could be a big break in the case. But right now I think it's just a wild goose chase.
 
I agree with you AKH, the only thing I can think is this:

1) JW is a primary suspect;

and/or

2) IF DM is involved, right now there is huge pressure on LE to gather all of the evidence, including ties to other missing women (remember the Brown County prosecutor has already added the "habitual offender" charges), and perhaps with enough evidence (assuming again that DM was involved in more than just HW's death), DM might be willing to negotiate some type of a plea deal in exchange for locations of other victims.

For whatever it's worth, I find it hard to believe that these two young IU students (LS and HW) are victims of two different perpetrators, just 4 years apart when so many similarities seem to exist. In fact, I would be interested in a statistical analysis of the probability of these two crimes being unrelated vs. related...
 
I agree with you AKH, the only thing I can think is this:

1) JW is a primary suspect (LE spent a LOT of money executing two search warrants);

and/or

2) IF DM is involved, right now there is huge pressure on LE to gather all of the evidence, including ties to other missing women (remember the Brown County prosecutor has already added the "habitual offender" charges), and perhaps with enough evidence (assuming again that DM was involved in more than just HW's death), DM might be willing to negotiate some type of a plea deal in exchange for locations of other victims.

For whatever it's worth, I find it hard to believe that these two young IU students (LS and HW) are victims of two different perpetrators, just 4 years apart when so many similarities seem to exist. In fact, I would be interested in a statistical analysis of the probability of these two crimes being unrelated vs. related...
 
We need to be able to distinguish between the two men with the initials JW. usually context is enough to prevent confusion, but not always. Should we add middle initials? Call one the boyfriend and the other the exhibitionist? Ideas?
 
We need to be able to distinguish between the two men with the initials JW. usually context is enough to prevent confusion, but not always. Should we add middle initials? Call one the boyfriend and the other the exhibitionist? Ideas?
Good idea, Ros. Wagers should be referred to as JMW to distinguish from the bf.
 
According to numerous news sources Wagers has been charged with battery four times. The Johnson County Journal has dear <modsnip>
You can get information on arrests and convictions by going to Oddesy Indiana and Doxpop. I don't think these sites allow links to results You must go to the site type in a name yourself. Then, if you want more details, you can go to the clerks office in the county where the case was tried.
 
The theory involving the 5 N guys is a CONSPIRACY THEORY. We have about 6 conspiracy theories going on over the years. We have no proof of any of them. And, I feel some people cling to certain conspiracy theories for no other reason than a prejudice.
 
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