IN - Mark Sandifur, charged with child molesting, Flora, 28 Aug 2019

[Charlot123]

Yes! I've always thought he had a limp. It made me think he probably had a gun because he might not be able to physically subdue the girls (if they ran).

I am almost positive now that these were nunchaku from karate, and the connecting white cord was sticking out of the pocket, that would create two bulges, one in the pants, one below the jacket, and create a limp because it is hard to walk with something before your leg.

 

[Torch Carrier]

I don’t think any Sandifur was a POI early on. But I do recall the name Sandifur being mentioned in a lot of the conversations/theories/rumors/discussions that were swirling around early on.

I thought I heard early someone with that name stayed overnight at RL's, was having marital troubles. It was not MJS. Sorry I have no link.

 

[Boxer]

dbm

 

[Charlot123]

First, if it is proven that MS molested own daughter, I am glad he’s behind bars, or will be. It is disgusting.

Second, what we know, doesn’t tie up to MS being the Delphi killer. If any of the girls knew him well...you know how difficult it is to mistake a known person for an unknown “creepy guy”? Even if he is masked, scarved or whatnot? The gait and - MOO - how people hold their head and shoulders are very telling. They called him “a creepy guy”.

The voice? What prevented one of the girls to say, “uncle Mark?”, the moment they heard it? And honestly, how many people in Delphi would recognize the voice of a pizza owner?

So unless there is a solid proof that it is MS who killed them, I am viewing him as one more creepy (possible serial) child molester, but that is it.

That the LE is going - again! - to do the DNA testing and comparison is impossible...they have something available, and as I understand now, never sent it to the Parabon. Whatever they have. They have reward money, they could have raised more for this test for many of us, and nothing is done.

 

[Charlot123]

The people visible on the podium in the photo from our left to right in that second photo are...an unnamed detective (in dark tie), then a uniformed police officer, then Sgt. Jerry Holeman, then Delphi mayor Shane Evans, then Delphi police chief Steve Mullins, then at the podium is ISP Chief Information Officer Dave Bursten. Behind him you see a bit of prosecutor Robert Ives. Completely out of sight behind the podium is Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby. Next to him (the light suit jacket that you can see) is FBI Special Agent Greg Massa. Then comes ISP Superintendent Doug Carter. The two people to Carter's left (our far right) were not introduced by name but are wearing badges on their belts.

When they collected DNA from the men of Delphi, I hope they collected from own police department, too...

 

[Boxer]

maybe "

Perhaps his current messy look reflects the current status of his life

Maybe "how different you are"
Earlier photos look like he was outwardly normal.

 

[raja]

They may have been expecting to see someone else and BG confused them.

 

[moonlessnight]

probably just more accurate reporting, still not the whole picture.

Those statistics are frightening. Is this problem getting worse?

 

[flashy09]

That the LE is going - again! - to do the DNA testing and comparison is impossible...they have something available, and as I understand now, never sent it to the Parabon. Whatever they have. They have reward money, they could have raised more for this test for many of us, and nothing is done.

So this is what I am confused on. Indiana did not used to test DNA for felony arrests, just convictions. Did his drug charges end up being a felony conviction or were they watered down? I have heard he has never been actually charged with a felony, which means this arrest would be his first DNA swab. I could be wrong though!

 

[moonlessnight]

I think seeing someone you know who is disguised to the point you don't recognize them would be a very creepy feeling.

First, if it is proven that MS molested own daughter, I am glad he’s behind bars, or will be. It is disgusting.

Second, what we know, doesn’t tie up to MS being the Delphi killer. If any of the girls knew him well...you know how difficult it is to mistake a known person for an unknown “creepy guy”? Even if he is masked, scarved or whatnot? The gait and - MOO - how people hold their head and shoulders are very telling. They called him “a creepy guy”.

The voice? What prevented one of the girls to say, “uncle Mark?”, the moment they heard it? And honestly, how many people in Delphi would recognize the voice of a pizza owner?

So unless there is a solid proof that it is MS who killed them, I am viewing him as one more creepy (possible serial) child molester, but that is it.

That the LE is going - again! - to do the DNA testing and comparison is impossible...they have something available, and as I understand now, never sent it to the Parabon. Whatever they have. They have reward money, they could have raised more for this test for many of us, and nothing is done.

 

[Boxer]

So this is what I am confused on. Indiana did not use to test DNA for felony arrests, just convictions. Did his drug charges end up being a felony conviction or were they watered down? I have heard he has never been actually charged with a felony, which means this arrest would be his first DNA swab. I could be wrong though!

I believe you are correct. MOO
Indiana is fairly liberal on plea dealing down to misdemeanors.

 

[Eagle12]

But didn't his mother put up the bond?? If my son had molested my daughter (although I never had one), I seriously doubt I would do this given what he has been charged for. JMO

But then again, if my son molested my grand daughter, hypothetically speaking of course, I wouldn’t be inclined to bail him out either. JMO

 

[Boxer]

But then again, if my son molested my grand daughter, hypothetically speaking of course, I wouldn’t be inclined to bail him out either. JMO

Especially after marijuana and meth dealing convictions.

 

[abeaman02]

Even if the girls hung out at the Pizza King on a regular basis it is possible they did not pay a lot of attention to the owner if he had never attempted anything with them. He could have just been a casual acquaintance. When my daughter was 13 I don't think she would have recognized our ice cream parlor owner outside of the store, especially if he was in a hoodie...in her eyes he would have just been some adult. Even if they did recognize him once he got up close they may have thought if they acted like they didn't know him, he would let them go. MOO I just don't think 13 year old girls pay much attention to adult men unless they have had a bad experience with him and we don't know that they had. He could have just been out trolling, knowing it was a place young kids like to go when off school. MOO

 

[katydid23]

Quoting my own post here, as I know there are holes in this theory too.

If it was MJS, why did the girls not recognize him? He was certainly well "wrapped up" in his jacket and hoody or hat or whatever, and he was avoiding looking up directly at them, but wouldn't someone have recognized the voice? I still struggle with the voice and Leazenby saying he recognized the voice or something to that effect. So, while he makes for a good POI, it still may not be him.

As a profiler mentioned the other day, did BG change his appearance under the guise of sprucing himself up for Valentine's Day. Turns up all clean shaven, fresh haircut. Was his marriage also floundering and would it appear he was making an effort?

All just speculation. Trying to make sense of the senseless act this crime was.

ETA: The profiler was John Kelly on Youtube

They may have recognised him at some point, but never said his name out loud, because they didn't want him to hear them, or didn't want to call attention to themselves?
Or maybe didn't want him to know they recognised him?

 

[Yemelyan]

Replying to myself... still wondering...is special agent Danny Youmara? Was he the one who was on scene early because he was visiting family in the area??

Definitely could be Youmara in the picture you are referencing as he is shorter than Carter and has dark, very close cropped hair. He has a distinctive face but in this particular photo the man is too far away for me to say for sure (I can't zoom on it). I have no idea if Youmara is the FBI agent who was supposedly a part of the search from the beginning. I have never heard a name associated with this agent, just that he or she resided or was visiting relatives that resided in Delphi.

As far as I know, the only named FBI agents to be associated with this case are all from the field office in Indianapolis and are: Greg Massa, Mike Peasley, and Danny Youmara. All 3 have been featured at press conferences in the past as FBI representatives to the Delphi murders case. Greg Massa was the agent who seemed to act as the FBI's main person in this case from the beginning but I believe he left the Indianapolis post in May of this year for a different job with the FBI. Danny Youmara possibly took over for Massa in a manner of speaking as Youmara is one of the highest ranking assistant special agents in charge at the post currently. If you are curious to see more from Danny Youmara, he is introduced briefly on camera at the beginning of the 2 year anniversary press conference (this is the one where prosecutor Nick McLeland does most of the talking) and he makes a short statement in answer to a reporter's question at the end. To me, the idea that any of the FBI agents could be anything other than dedicated members of the investigative team is kind of....out there....but I guess we have seen it all on these threads by now.

 

[Charlot123]

So this is what I am confused on. Indiana did not used to test DNA for felony arrests, just convictions. Did his drug charges end up being a felony conviction or were they watered down? I have heard he has never been actually charged with a felony, which means this arrest would be his first DNA swab. I could be wrong though!

I merely wonder what kind of DNA they have. They do have “something” , it is obvious. Even if it is contaminated, there are systems allowing to separate multiple DNAs. I simply wonder if they have done everything that modern technology allows to with that DNA.

 

[katydid23]

I merely wonder what kind of DNA they have. They do have “something” , it is obvious. Even if it is contaminated, there are systems allowing to separate multiple DNAs. I simply wonder if they have done everything that modern technology allows to with that DNA.

In my opinion, purely speculation, they do not have certainty of the DNA they have.

I don't think there was a sexual assault, so they did not have the kind of DNA that is automatically known to belong to the perp.

I think they have some DNA which MIGHT belong to the perp. But it might then be touch DNA, which isn't always as strong and full spectrum.

Or it might be DNA from something lying nearby, like a cig butt or water bottle or something left behind. But then there is no certainty it belongs to the perp.

JMO MOO IMO

 

[Boxer]

In my opinion, purely speculation, they do not have certainty of the DNA they have.

I don't think there was a sexual assault, so they did not have the kind of DNA that is automatically known to belong to the perp.

I think they have some DNA which MIGHT belong to the perp. But it might then be touch DNA, which isn't always as strong and full spectrum.

Or it might be DNA from something lying nearby, like a cig butt or water bottle or something left behind. But then there is no certainty it belongs to the perp.

JMO MOO IMO

Agree. They have something that will add to the evidence, but not convict alone. In one of the interviews police said they have an item of evidence, amd enough tp convict if they find the person who committed the crime.. So, we will see next week.

 

[Pedrosmom]

Does anyone have a link to someone with the same last name as MS speaking to the media about the girls being found on RL’s property? Does anyone know if LE ever states publicly, prior to this person stating where the girls were found, ever give that information out to the public? Does anyone know if it was MS speaking?

I’m just thinking how BG walked so fearlessly and briskly across that bridge. BG certainly appeared as if he had walked those tracks many many times prior.