IN IN - Paul Raymond Harrod May Have Been Using False Identity - Hamilton County - 27 Nov 1992 #2

[lonewanderer]

Fake Paul may well have had similar issues. Kenneth Laitman only didn't get away with it because today it's much harder to get away with than back in the day, even if you've been using the fake identity for decades as Kenneth Laitman did.

The passport renewal for Laitman seems like a really big, really unnecessary risk.

I wonder if he just got WAY too complacent with his stolen identity, or if he was put into a position where he was going to be outed if he didn't go through with the renewal (for instance, his wife started asking a lot of questions about why he was so hesitant to renew his passport in 2024, 20 years after)

 

[lonewanderer]

I am willing to bet Fake Paul had a getaway stash of some kind. Be it money, other identities, etc.

A "bug out bag" or bag he could grab quickly pre-prepared with everything he would need.

I partly think he had a large sum of cash somewhere, and intentionally took really low paying jobs to lay low on taxation and exposure.

I noticed quite a few of his jobs were for delivery. It makes me wonder if this was strategic, so he could get to his get-away bag quickly if he needed to.

 

[summergirl1]

I think Laitman just became too complacent. He had been using the same identity since 1984, so I suppose he assumed what could go wrong?

Lori Ruff was the only person in all of the well known cases of those using dead children's identities who actually went one step further and changed her name as the dead child, from that of the dead child to one of her own choosing, and then got a SS number, instead of getting a SS number as the dead child. She took it one step further, probably as extra insurance against getting caught, although she had to go to court as the dead child to do so, which is something of a risk. She also perhaps wanted to live under a name of her own choosing.

 

[lonewanderer]

Question about the $100 bill..

Do we know if it was super clean and crisp, or if it was old and used in circulation for a while?

I wonder if he had a stash of $100s, had just withdrew this one from the bank, or if it was a bill he had for a while.

 

[LostOldUserName]

I know someone here has contact for the detective. And 2 hrs ago someone named Amy Smith commented on the 2019 Hamilton County post that best man is her dad. Not sure of its already known (because I forget) but important that I thought it needed shared.

 

[chaz]

According to the detective, the best man was identified

IN - IN - Paul Raymond Harrod, adult, may have been using false identity, Hamilton County, 27 Nov 1992

The missing man was formerly a custodian at St. Vincent Hospital. Was he an identity thief? Bowen answers that question with another. “Is there a past or history that he’s trying to run from? We really have a lot more questions than answers.“ Video at link Police still hope to solve mystery of...

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[Grungster]

I know someone here has contact for the detective. And 2 hrs ago someone named Amy Smith commented on the 2019 Hamilton County post that best man is her dad. Not sure of its already known (because I forget) but important that I thought it needed shared.

The bestman called the detective years ago. He unfortunately has been battling health issues and cannot remember the wedding or Paul; however, they were co workers and that’s how they knew each other

 

[LostOldUserName]

The bestman called the detective years ago. He unfortunately has been battling health issues and cannot remember the wedding or Paul; however, they were co workers and that’s how they knew each other

I just read he has passed. I feel bad. I need to go back and reread the facts because it's been to long.

 

[LostOldUserName]

It was kind of exciting because this case was a new discussion in a fb tc group. So I went and looked at the 19 police post and there was new activity

 

[summergirl1]

Wonder what the records retention requirement (say that 3 times fast) is in the jurisdiction that entered the civil judgement?

Hopefully at least microfilm/scanned copy is available.

jmho ymmv lrr

If the other SS number could be somehow found, that would be very useful. But it is certainly possible it was redacted on those records, only part of it would be available, etc. It's worth looking into, though.

 

[lonewanderer]

I do have another theory about the identity theft people Venn diagram of Lori Ruff, Joseph Newton Chandler, and Paul Harrod.

Isn't it reported that none of them were drinkers? I am not sure if they were completely abstinent, but many of them were known not to drink. Could this be because they didn't want to slip up in drunk conversation? They say that drunk men tell no lies......

 

[Carovb5]

i see quite a few similarities between our mystery man & John Henry Geppert III, missing since 1988. But i’m afraid he’s too young?!


Beware: the family gave him up as missing in 1988 but there are sites mentioning 1995. They give the same info & picture, so i think it’s just a wrong date…

CA - CA - John Henry Geppert, 27, Los Angeles, 10 December 1988

https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/1209/details John Henry Geppert Case Information Demographics Missing Age 27 Years Current Age 60 Years First Name John Middle Name Henry Last Name Geppert, III Nickname/Alias Jack Sex Male Height5' 10" - 6' 0" (70 - 72 Inches) Weight160 - 180 lbs...

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CA - CA - John Geppert, 33, Los Angeles, 1 April 1995

The age is off on this one. There is uncertainty about when he went missing. Some say 1995 and others say 1988. Big difference there. John Henry Geppert III http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/geppert_john.html

www.websleuths.com

 

[Laughing]

i see quite a few similarities between our mystery man & John Henry Geppert III, missing since 1988. But i’m afraid he’s too young?!


Beware: the family gave him up as missing in 1988 but there are sites mentioning 1995. They give the same info & picture, so i think it’s just a wrong date…

CA - CA - John Henry Geppert, 27, Los Angeles, 10 December 1988

https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/1209/details John Henry Geppert Case Information Demographics Missing Age 27 Years Current Age 60 Years First Name John Middle Name Henry Last Name Geppert, III Nickname/Alias Jack Sex Male Height5' 10" - 6' 0" (70 - 72 Inches) Weight160 - 180 lbs...

www.websleuths.com

CA - CA - John Geppert, 33, Los Angeles, 1 April 1995

The age is off on this one. There is uncertainty about when he went missing. Some say 1995 and others say 1988. Big difference there. John Henry Geppert III http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/geppert_john.html

www.websleuths.com

@CyresAres1 , how about John Henry Geppert III?

 

[lonewanderer]

i see quite a few similarities between our mystery man & John Henry Geppert III, missing since 1988. But i’m afraid he’s too young?!


Beware: the family gave him up as missing in 1988 but there are sites mentioning 1995. They give the same info & picture, so i think it’s just a wrong date…

CA - CA - John Henry Geppert, 27, Los Angeles, 10 December 1988

https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/1209/details John Henry Geppert Case Information Demographics Missing Age 27 Years Current Age 60 Years First Name John Middle Name Henry Last Name Geppert, III Nickname/Alias Jack Sex Male Height5' 10" - 6' 0" (70 - 72 Inches) Weight160 - 180 lbs...

www.websleuths.com

CA - CA - John Geppert, 33, Los Angeles, 1 April 1995

The age is off on this one. There is uncertainty about when he went missing. Some say 1995 and others say 1988. Big difference there. John Henry Geppert III http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/geppert_john.html

www.websleuths.com

This is a good find and he does resemble fake Paul.

My biggest issue is the marriage certificate from his first divorce dating 1985. I think that’s significant too, as it shows he was using Paul Harrod as early as 1985.

 

[Laughing]

This is a good find and he does resemble fake Paul.

My biggest issue is the marriage certificate from his first divorce dating 1985. I think that’s significant too, as it shows he was using Paul Harrod as early as 1985.

Yes, but -- we only have Not-Paul's claim that he was divorced in 1985....

And he claimed to be Paul Raymond Harris.

Unless someone found a decree??? (Fingers crossed, you betcha!)

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[summergirl1]

When did he use the name Harris again?

 

[lonewanderer]

When did he use the name Harris again?

This information is unclear to me.

Another thing that is unclear to me;

Did he obtain the South Dakota credit card before or after he disappeared? Not many days from Thanksgiving to the New Year but I cannot determine if the obtained it before or after Thanksgiving 1992.

 

[Laughing]

When did he use the name Harris again?

@summergirl1 @lonewanderer

Just clumsy fingers, sorry! AFAIK, the only alias we know is Paul Raymond Harrod.

imho someone needed to read their post during the edit window....

 

[GoBuckeyes]

i see quite a few similarities between our mystery man & John Henry Geppert III, missing since 1988. But i’m afraid he’s too young?!


Beware: the family gave him up as missing in 1988 but there are sites mentioning 1995. They give the same info & picture, so i think it’s just a wrong date…

CA - CA - John Henry Geppert, 27, Los Angeles, 10 December 1988

https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/1209/details John Henry Geppert Case Information Demographics Missing Age 27 Years Current Age 60 Years First Name John Middle Name Henry Last Name Geppert, III Nickname/Alias Jack Sex Male Height5' 10" - 6' 0" (70 - 72 Inches) Weight160 - 180 lbs...

www.websleuths.com

CA - CA - John Geppert, 33, Los Angeles, 1 April 1995

The age is off on this one. There is uncertainty about when he went missing. Some say 1995 and others say 1988. Big difference there. John Henry Geppert III http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/geppert_john.html

www.websleuths.com

Those pictures don't look like the mid 90s to me, but just MOO.

 

[Andreee]

Those pictures don't look like the mid 90s to me, but just MOO.

Although I see some similarities, I also don't think this is fake PRH IMO