GoodbyeKitty27
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Hi Everyone,
I know everyone has been watching & re-watching Making a Murderer on Netflix. Has anyone else read the book The Innocent Killer by Michael Griesbach?
I'm pretty miffed as to how there can be some pretty obvious inconsistencies between a documentary actually showing us a firsthand account of what happened & then this book, written by Wisconsin prosecuting attorney, more accurately, a Manitowoc County ADA Michael Griesbach, who now also serves on the board of the Innocence Project.
So, here are some of my questions:
Halbach's Key:
In the book, Griesbach states that one the third sweep of Avery's home, Lenk & Colborn moved the bookcase & a "set of keys" came falling out.
In the doc, we are shown a single key on a fabric keychain (which we are then told the insane thought that the ONLY DNA found on the key & keychain was that of Avery...)
Also, in the doc, the prosecution states that Avery's sweat was on the keychain, making it impossible for them to have planted because, as Kratz states, "Do the cops have a vial of Avery's sweat to plant?"
However, in the book, Griesbach states that the DNA found on the keychain was Avery's skin cells, which could have easily been applied by a gloved hand rubbing the fabric keychain on any number of surfaces in Avery's home, including the slippers that were located next to the place the key was allegedly found.
The doc also states that the key was found on the seventh entry, where the book says the third.
Avery's Girlfriend:
In the book, Avery's girlfriend Carla Schwartz is arrested after driving her car into a ditch, giving her her fifth DUI.
In the doc, we see Avery's girlfriend Jodi Stachowski in jail for DUI, get released, have a few awkward conversations on the phone with Avery & eventually get... nudged out(?) by her parole officer?
I guess Jodi Stachowski & Carla Schwartz are the same person? Any insight?
The Blood Vial:
In the doc, we watch the defense team open up a sealed evidence box. I dont know where they are other than they seem to be in a back room somewhere & are opening the case on a hard plastic rolling cart. They find the cracked seal, open up the box & discover the pin hole.
In the book, Griesbach states that the vial of blood was among the paper files, crammed into a box (Im assuming the unsealed cardboard box we see in the doc) left out, unprotected in the Clerks office. This cant be right, if the vial was left out in an open cardboard box, the doc would have definitely made a point of it, right? Thats a MASSIVE difference! How can we have watched them open up this evidence box & not have it mentioned that it was sitting in that open cardboard box.
Im about ¾ of the way through the book, so there is still time, but as of now many of my burning questions were left unanswered by the book. I still dont understand how many things have been brushed over;
Did anyone ever think to put a word out & call on the rest of the town to ask for any type of surveillance footage from around the town? Did no one say anything when she was reported missing? Did anyone look to see if she was seen on any security footage or traffic camera or anything anywhere to see if she in fact did leave?
No one looked at anyone else as a potential suspect. Its touched on in the slightest bit, but if you ask me, there are a lot of other suspicious characters involved both on the side of Avery & on the side of Halbach that seem much more likely suspects than Avery does. Buting points to this in episode 5 whilst discussing the voicemails on Halbachs phone & brought up the roommate who didnt even tell anyone she didnt come back from a job at a convicted sex offenders house that she was apparently nervous about?- what happened with that? The ex-boyfriend who cant possibly remember what time of day he last saw Halbach? The Co-worker who was so worried about the random calls that she wouldnt tell him who it was calling her? The Brother .? Anyone who magically guessed her passwords? The two who planned the search & all but pointed Pam & Nicole Stern in the direction of the car & gave a camera & a map to ?
There seems to be no regard to conflict of interest or recusal of anyone in Manitowoc? Everyone has their hands in everything! Strang mentions it in episode 5 in court, but then thats it. Manitowoc wasnt supposed to be there, but, Woops! They were & good thing because theyre the ones that found evidence. Please.
The unbelievably horrible woman filming the search of Averys home saying they should take his shoes to PLANT FOOTPRINTS at the scene of any unsolved burglaries - HELLO?!
The issue of Dassey saying the story he told was really that of Kiss the Girls & dont we think its probably more likely that he watched the movie & not that he read the book?
The unprofessionalism of Kratz (touched on in the book) when he speaks out to the media in such disgusting detail as if it were gospel & the slip up in court where he blatantly refers to Halbach as this little girl, excuse me, not this little girl, this young woman to obviously manipulate the jurys heartstrings
The fact that THERE IS NO BLOOD IN THE BEDROOM!
- Earl Avery, Stevens brother recently spoke out on Access Hollywood & mentioned this & other points.
& many others. (all of which Id love to discuss further)
The book is a little bit hard to discern at time. Griesbach is clearly sure of Avery & Dasseys guilt, but does clearly project his views on the insanity behind so many aspects. Most of the meat of the book is focused on the initial incarceration of Avery for the assault of Penny Beernsten & not a close play by play of the arrest, trial & conviction of Avery for the murder of Teresa Halbach.
Griesbach openly expresses his admiration of Lenk, Colborn & Kusche, peppering in anecdotes of them (especially the late Gene Kusche), but then discounts his legitimacy as a composite sketch artist & points out how weird it is that he not only was so proud of his sketch that he actually got a judge to release the sketch to him which he showcased in a frame in the doc & according to the book, had hanging in his home, but that he must have realized how unlawful the entire timeline of the sketch was.
As anyone else read the book? Im curious to see what anyone else thinks.
I know everyone has been watching & re-watching Making a Murderer on Netflix. Has anyone else read the book The Innocent Killer by Michael Griesbach?
I'm pretty miffed as to how there can be some pretty obvious inconsistencies between a documentary actually showing us a firsthand account of what happened & then this book, written by Wisconsin prosecuting attorney, more accurately, a Manitowoc County ADA Michael Griesbach, who now also serves on the board of the Innocence Project.
So, here are some of my questions:
Halbach's Key:
In the book, Griesbach states that one the third sweep of Avery's home, Lenk & Colborn moved the bookcase & a "set of keys" came falling out.
In the doc, we are shown a single key on a fabric keychain (which we are then told the insane thought that the ONLY DNA found on the key & keychain was that of Avery...)
Also, in the doc, the prosecution states that Avery's sweat was on the keychain, making it impossible for them to have planted because, as Kratz states, "Do the cops have a vial of Avery's sweat to plant?"
However, in the book, Griesbach states that the DNA found on the keychain was Avery's skin cells, which could have easily been applied by a gloved hand rubbing the fabric keychain on any number of surfaces in Avery's home, including the slippers that were located next to the place the key was allegedly found.
The doc also states that the key was found on the seventh entry, where the book says the third.
Avery's Girlfriend:
In the book, Avery's girlfriend Carla Schwartz is arrested after driving her car into a ditch, giving her her fifth DUI.
In the doc, we see Avery's girlfriend Jodi Stachowski in jail for DUI, get released, have a few awkward conversations on the phone with Avery & eventually get... nudged out(?) by her parole officer?
I guess Jodi Stachowski & Carla Schwartz are the same person? Any insight?
The Blood Vial:
In the doc, we watch the defense team open up a sealed evidence box. I dont know where they are other than they seem to be in a back room somewhere & are opening the case on a hard plastic rolling cart. They find the cracked seal, open up the box & discover the pin hole.
In the book, Griesbach states that the vial of blood was among the paper files, crammed into a box (Im assuming the unsealed cardboard box we see in the doc) left out, unprotected in the Clerks office. This cant be right, if the vial was left out in an open cardboard box, the doc would have definitely made a point of it, right? Thats a MASSIVE difference! How can we have watched them open up this evidence box & not have it mentioned that it was sitting in that open cardboard box.
Im about ¾ of the way through the book, so there is still time, but as of now many of my burning questions were left unanswered by the book. I still dont understand how many things have been brushed over;
Did anyone ever think to put a word out & call on the rest of the town to ask for any type of surveillance footage from around the town? Did no one say anything when she was reported missing? Did anyone look to see if she was seen on any security footage or traffic camera or anything anywhere to see if she in fact did leave?
No one looked at anyone else as a potential suspect. Its touched on in the slightest bit, but if you ask me, there are a lot of other suspicious characters involved both on the side of Avery & on the side of Halbach that seem much more likely suspects than Avery does. Buting points to this in episode 5 whilst discussing the voicemails on Halbachs phone & brought up the roommate who didnt even tell anyone she didnt come back from a job at a convicted sex offenders house that she was apparently nervous about?- what happened with that? The ex-boyfriend who cant possibly remember what time of day he last saw Halbach? The Co-worker who was so worried about the random calls that she wouldnt tell him who it was calling her? The Brother .? Anyone who magically guessed her passwords? The two who planned the search & all but pointed Pam & Nicole Stern in the direction of the car & gave a camera & a map to ?
There seems to be no regard to conflict of interest or recusal of anyone in Manitowoc? Everyone has their hands in everything! Strang mentions it in episode 5 in court, but then thats it. Manitowoc wasnt supposed to be there, but, Woops! They were & good thing because theyre the ones that found evidence. Please.
The unbelievably horrible woman filming the search of Averys home saying they should take his shoes to PLANT FOOTPRINTS at the scene of any unsolved burglaries - HELLO?!
The issue of Dassey saying the story he told was really that of Kiss the Girls & dont we think its probably more likely that he watched the movie & not that he read the book?
The unprofessionalism of Kratz (touched on in the book) when he speaks out to the media in such disgusting detail as if it were gospel & the slip up in court where he blatantly refers to Halbach as this little girl, excuse me, not this little girl, this young woman to obviously manipulate the jurys heartstrings
The fact that THERE IS NO BLOOD IN THE BEDROOM!
- Earl Avery, Stevens brother recently spoke out on Access Hollywood & mentioned this & other points.
& many others. (all of which Id love to discuss further)
The book is a little bit hard to discern at time. Griesbach is clearly sure of Avery & Dasseys guilt, but does clearly project his views on the insanity behind so many aspects. Most of the meat of the book is focused on the initial incarceration of Avery for the assault of Penny Beernsten & not a close play by play of the arrest, trial & conviction of Avery for the murder of Teresa Halbach.
Griesbach openly expresses his admiration of Lenk, Colborn & Kusche, peppering in anecdotes of them (especially the late Gene Kusche), but then discounts his legitimacy as a composite sketch artist & points out how weird it is that he not only was so proud of his sketch that he actually got a judge to release the sketch to him which he showcased in a frame in the doc & according to the book, had hanging in his home, but that he must have realized how unlawful the entire timeline of the sketch was.
As anyone else read the book? Im curious to see what anyone else thinks.