Is Casey the real Zenaida?

[cecybeans]

I wouldn't think cash payments are ruled out. I also don't believe casey or ZG themselves needed to make the payments.

I'd think anyone making a payment towards a certain name would work.

The problem is "who" would do her dirty work in person for her? LEE?

Sounds good to me. Or maybe AD for the reasons we mentioned above. Dante? He sure winked out awfully quick. My guess (other than Lee) would be a friend she had mutual dirt on and who might find it in their best interest to return a favor.

 

[BondJamesBond]

Information from OC:

Citation was given at 10:45 a.m. on 05/24/08
Location of citation intersection of Regal Point Blvd and Regal Downs Circle (right by the address on the driver's license that ZG22 doesn't live at!)
Vehicle description on citation "1995 Chevy Green Utility Vehicle"
Tag #J223GT

Tag #J223GT - DOES NOT BELONG TO a 1995 CHEVY GREEN UTILITY VEHICLE
It belongs to a Maroon 1997 Ford 4 door vehicle. VIN 1FALP6536VK102001. I won't give owner information on the 1997 Ford because they don't appear to be attached to this case at all...but bizarrely WE NOW STILL DON'T KNOW WHOSE VEHICLE ZG22 was driving because it had a tag on it that belonged to another car! O_O

Title was issued for the 97 Ford in August 2007 and the registration was up to date in May 2008. The registration was due to expire November 2008. The DMV records do NOT show it has been renewed, but some times there is a lag in information being updated.

*snipped*

FWIW...a check of NICB database for the VIN on the '97 Ford doesn't yield it being stolen or totalled. Neither of these being 100%...still...worth checking

"1FALP6536VK102001 has not been identified as a vehicle listed in the VINCheck Theft Records."

"1FALP6536VK102001 has not been identified as a vehicle listed in the VINCheck Total Loss Records."​

 

[MAMABEAR]

*snipped*

FWIW...a check of NICB database for the VIN on the '97 Ford doesn't yield it being stolen or totalled. Neither of these being 100%...still...worth checking

"1FALP6536VK102001 has not been identified as a vehicle listed in the VINCheck Theft Records."

"1FALP6536VK102001 has not been identified as a vehicle listed in the VINCheck Total Loss Records."​

Could the car have been off a car lot?

 

[masyann]

Didnt Amy have a maroon car. But I do not think it was a ford. I can not remember the make.

 

[ZubenElSchemali]

I must learn to not take a break and read here because I always get sidetracked. I will agree, if on June 11 she got before the judge pretty quick she had sufficient time to make it back near home by the 9:40 ping. What I have a problem with is any other possibility. There would be a paper trail for anything other than cash which can't be mailed. Even a money order has a way of being tracked, contrary to what was posted here earlier. I've only gotten one a few times but each time something was filled out, signed and kept by the place where I got it, besides this MO being held in records in some form. So even if someone considered being tied to a murder and defamation suit less of a burden that what ever Casey might have on them, there would still be a paper trail of some sort.

Next, where would Casey get this 1999 Green Chevy utility vehicle? Do any of the players have a vehicle that matches this description? What about the 1997 Maroon 4 door?

The disposition was filled out and signed on June 11 but the top seems to say it wasn't recorded until June 27 at 2:19:10pm, the famous running out of gas day. So the speculation that the payment was recorded retroactively simply is likely explained by being recorded later than the payment was actually made. Happens all the time, but they usually put the actual payment date on it.

So, for this to actually be Casey, she would have had to have gotten a hold of a plate and car that belonged to someone else that we aren't aware of at this point. She would have had to have a friend so unconcerned about a murder and defamation charge that they would do all of the other actions for her except for the first appearance. At least this is true unless someone can come up with a way she could do all this from jail. I don't see how this is logical or possible. But if anyone knows who the cars belong to, I might change my mind if there is a connection to Casey. But, if this fake ID was in her wallet then why wouldn't she pull it out and hand it to the officer? And if this ID exists then why wasn't it put in the report and given to the defense in discovery? It would be their key tool for getting her to take a plea and save the state a whole lot of money and time.

I looked at Casey's writing, her signature and the sig on the disposition and don't see that it could be the same person. Her loops are always very wide and often triangular. She focuses carefully on Zs, even making an extra mark to cross them so I can't imagine she would write a cursive Z in this way or use such small loops, leaving the G open as if it is a Y.

Oh, by the way, there is a Gloria Gonzalez that owed a house North of there, along with quite a few other properties.

 

[Hell's Belle]

Even a money order has a way of being tracked, contrary to what was posted here earlier. I've only gotten one a few times but each time something was filled out, signed and kept by the place where I got it, besides this MO being held in records in some form.

Respectfully snipped. When you purchase a postal money order, you fill in your name and address on the form but no one at the post office verifies the name and address you use unless you are buying more than $3,000 worth of money orders on the same day. Says the postal manual at 14.2.2.b (the link takes you to multiple sections):

The purchaser must complete the money order and customer's receipt by filling in the names and addresses of the payee and purchaser. Money orders must be made payable to a single identifiable party, which can be the purchaser. The USPS does not guarantee a 100% refund on a stolen money order if the customer's receipt is not presented with the claim for refund.

and

Any customer whose daily total of purchased money orders is $3,000 or more, regardless of the number of visits made by the customer to one or more postal facilities, must complete Form 8105-A, Funds Transaction Report (FTR), and show identification bearing the purchaser's photograph, name, and address.

http://pe.usps.gov/text/dmm300/503.htm#wp1150680 Money orders are tracked by the tracking number on the M.O. itself but for amounts under $3,000 I don't believe you can track them without knowing the number. Not saying I believe a money order was, in fact, used here, or that it was Casey.

 

[AZlawyer]

Thank You ValHall for providing the information to support my claims made earlier in the thread, which also have been previously mentioned. =)

It must just be a standard option to say she had counsel present-but simply is debunked by looking at the actual form.

Wasn't it mentioned that there was a $100.00 issue that needed to be taken care of before LP and company could get her bailed out-didn't this occur during that timeframe of the August 15th payment. Has this ever been clarified-that could explain that payment as a condition to get tot mom out on bond when she was just accused of child abuse and neglect.

I think the $100 was just the bond amount for one of the "lesser" financial charges.

 

[ibyoungr]

snipped and bolded by me with comments.....

Next, where would Casey get this 1999 Green Chevy utility vehicle? Do any of the players have a vehicle that matches this description? What about the 1997 Maroon 4 door?
In May, she was still seeing Ric (kinda - just ***buddies) what kind of vehicle does he drive, she was meeting up with Tony R. and then there is a host of friends who might have borrowed her a SUV - Iassen, Sean, Jonathan? Amy did not have a maroon colored TOYOTA until after her accident - she was driving a rental until June 13th when she went to go get another car.


But, if this fake ID was in her wallet then why wouldn't she pull it out and hand it to the officer? And if this ID exists then why wasn't it put in the report and given to the defense in discovery? It would be their key tool for getting her to take a plea and save the state a whole lot of money and time.

The deputy pulled out a card and kept it...only speculation on WS'rs part that is "could have" been a fake ID

I looked at Casey's writing, her signature and the sig on the disposition and don't see that it could be the same person. Her loops are always very wide and often triangular. She focuses carefully on Zs, even making an extra mark to cross them so I can't imagine she would write a cursive Z in this way or use such small loops, leaving the G open as if it is a Y.

Not hard to FAKE an signature not to look like your normal writing.

Oh, by the way, there is a Gloria Gonzalez that owed a house North of there, along with quite a few other properties.[/QUOTE]

Hmmmm same name as the mother of the 25 yo 25 ZG that Casey told the police about. The fake nanny's mother was Gloria.

Respectfully snipped. When you purchase a postal money order, you fill in your name and address on the form but no one at the post office verifies the name and address you use unless you are buying more than $3,000 worth of money orders on the same day. Says the postal manual at 14.2.2.b (the link takes you to multiple sections): and http://pe.usps.gov/text/dmm300/503.htm#wp1150680 Money orders are tracked by the tracking number on the M.O. itself but for amounts under $3,000 I don't believe you can track them without knowing the number. Not saying I believe a money order was, in fact, used here, or that it was Casey.

Postal money orders are also purchased at grocery store customer service. Those I do believe track the number and amount.. they used to 10 years ago.

Just throwing information out there. I can't seem to form an opinion on whether she got a ticket in ZG's name or not. But if she didn't... where is this ZG that got a ticket and why was she driving a vehicle with the wrong plates?

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

http://www.carfax.com/cfm/check_order.cfm?VIN=1FALP6536VK102001&PopUpStatus=0

VIN 1FALP6536VK102001
Year/Make/Model: 1997 FORD CONTOUR/GL/SPORT
Body Style: SEDAN 4 DR
Engine Type: 2.0L L4 PFI DOHC 16V
Manufactured In: UNITED STATES

I don't think this is an suv, is it?

 

[Valhall]

http://www.carfax.com/cfm/check_order.cfm?VIN=1FALP6536VK102001&PopUpStatus=0

VIN 1FALP6536VK102001
Year/Make/Model: 1997 FORD CONTOUR/GL/SPORT
Body Style: SEDAN 4 DR
Engine Type: 2.0L L4 PFI DOHC 16V
Manufactured In: UNITED STATES

I don't think this is an suv, is it?

They use SUV freely. There are several types of vehicles they assign this to that I personally wouldn't.

 

[sumbunny]

http://www.carfax.com/cfm/check_order.cfm?VIN=1FALP6536VK102001&PopUpStatus=0

VIN 1FALP6536VK102001
Year/Make/Model: 1997 FORD CONTOUR/GL/SPORT
Body Style: SEDAN 4 DR
Engine Type: 2.0L L4 PFI DOHC 16V
Manufactured In: UNITED STATES

I don't think this is an suv, is it?

picture of a ford contour sport

 

[sumbunny]

Doesn't look like an SUV to me..
wonder if any of casey's friends knew a person with a car of this description?

~~bumped~~ hehe

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Doesn't look like an SUV to me..
wonder if any of casey's friends knew a person with a car of this description?

~~bumped~~ hehe

Me, too!

 

[Hisimage]

May as well ask-----"who would sign your own name on somebody else's check at a Target store, in front of a camera?". Thieves like this don't care about gittin caught-------in their heads, they ain't gonna git caught. We don't know what kind of person this AD is. KC may have been in some kind of shady"work". We also don't know what LE has (if anythang) on AD. Maybe LE has already figured All this out. But if I was bettin on it------it would either be CA or AD. I think alot of peeps are gonna be surprised when all this hits the fan and I ain't talkin bout the ceiling fan.:cow:

In my opinion the reason KC signed her own name was she could always say:
"Oh my gosh, I can't believe I didn't even notice that was your check, I saw the check book and put it in my purse so nobody would steal it and I must have used it by accident. Silly me, I'll pay you back."

 

[chefmom]

In my opinion the reason KC signed her own name was she could always say:
"Oh my gosh, I can't believe I didn't even notice that was your check, I saw the check book and put it in my purse so nobody would steal it and I must have used it by accident. Silly me, I'll pay you back."

Lol! Or maybe, "Gosh! You gave it to me and told me to use it! Don't you remember? It was the same night you hid your money and changed your pants in your sleep!"

 

[Friptzap]

Done. I went to the local OCSO substation and spoke with a detective briefly. I gave her a copy of the information on the ZFG traffic citation and the car/suv data that two people posted for me after I requested it above.

She took my name/number etc and said they would look into it and pull up the data and if it looks relevant to the case they will get it in front of the detectives handeling it.

Either way hopefully if this "person" was really Casey posing as someone else, or if perhaps it happens to be the real missing Nanny or simply someone completly unrelated to this case it will all come out after it has been reviewed by them.

She could not promise me that they would be able let me know anything one way or another but asked for my information just in case they needed to ask me anything else.

I mentioned our efforts here and our concerns about this particular citation and mentioned several of the points about payments and such, and the fact that this person does not appear to have returned to clear their license etc etc... as we all have been discussing here.

I will re-post if they contact me, hopefully they don;t come to lock me up thinking I am kookoo for cocoa puffs....

 

[shgrbkr]

I didn't realize payments HAD to be made in person.
I would think a mailed in cheque would suffice.
Or several post dated cheques?

Reading way behind in this thread, but wanted to answer this post. Where I live, anybody can go in and make a payment on anybody else's fine. Not insinuating that KC has an accomplice, but just sayin that it doesn't have to be the person who got the ticket, that's all.

 

[shgrbkr]

Didnt Amy have a maroon car. But I do not think it was a ford. I can not remember the make.

I remember something about Amy having a maroon car, but not sure when or if this was the new car or the old car or a rental. It was a Toyota, IIRC. I think I remember reading this in the text messages.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Snipped..........

Next, where would Casey get this 1999 Green Chevy utility vehicle? Do any of the players have a vehicle that matches this description? What about the 1997 Maroon 4 door?

In the early documents there was reference to a dark green utility vehicle at the Anthony's house on I believe the 16th or 17th. Two neighbors saw it and saw KC in it.