Is Casey the real Zenaida?

[ZubenElSchemali]

Why wouldn't anyone be able to pay her ticket?

I'd think all they would require is a little note on the bottom of the cheque stating the case number the cheque should be applied to?

I write cheques for my kids all the time...their names aren't on it.

Yes, someone else could pay it but who would put their own life on the line to make that August 18 payment when the supposed owner of that fine is under arrest for her missing child? Plus, the person would know they would be a potential accessory leaving a paper trail with their name on it. Like I said in the other thread, it makes for a good mystery novel but won't hold up in reality in this particular case.

 

[sumbunny]

Yes, someone else could pay it but who would put their own life on the line to make that August 18 payment when the supposed owner of that fine is under arrest for her missing child? Plus, the person would know they would be a potential accessory leaving a paper trail with their name on it. Like I said in the other thread, it makes for a good mystery novel but won't hold up in reality in this particular case.

Time will tell.

 

[Whisperer]

There is a Zenaida Gonzales on TV. She is an actress who played a role on "Forensic Files" as Detective Flores.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1086523/

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Here is some info from BondJamesBond on this subject. Hope he doesn't mind my linking it here as I think it's applicable. If you go a bit further down than his single post that I've linked, they have a bit more discussion on this, too.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3406971&postcount=929

 

[AZlawyer]

Here is some info from BondJamesBond on this subject. Hope he doesn't mind my linking it here as I think it's applicable. If you go a bit further down than his single post that I've linked, they have a bit more discussion on this, too.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3406971&postcount=929

Thanks! That must be where I got the information that the payments were not made online, although I wonder fior WHICH payment the receipt was unavailable. And it still wouldn't rule out a payment by mail.

What I can't figure out is why BJB thinks she did not appear in person on 6/11/08. The docket says the defendant did appear.

Calling Bond!!

 

[MAMABEAR]

I'd have loved if they asked AD regarding the traffic ticket, and if in fact she were with casey.

It's all a huge assumption..but interesting none the less

I can't member----have we gotten all AD's interview? She did have a lawyer with her---right?

 

[MAMABEAR]

Yes, someone else could pay it but who would put their own life on the line to make that August 18 payment when the supposed owner of that fine is under arrest for her missing child? Plus, the person would know they would be a potential accessory leaving a paper trail with their name on it. Like I said in the other thread, it makes for a good mystery novel but won't hold up in reality in this particular case.

May as well ask-----"who would sign your own name on somebody else's check at a Target store, in front of a camera?". Thieves like this don't care about gittin caught-------in their heads, they ain't gonna git caught. We don't know what kind of person this AD is. KC may have been in some kind of shady"work". We also don't know what LE has (if anythang) on AD. Maybe LE has already figured All this out. But if I was bettin on it------it would either be CA or AD. I think alot of peeps are gonna be surprised when all this hits the fan and I ain't talkin bout the ceiling fan.:cow:

 

[Valhall]

As I said in the Zanny timeline thread, the only way possible for Casey to have been at court on June 11 is if she were first in line and it didn't take too long. She was pinging at 9:40 am too far away on another tower. It is possible but not likely. On July 15 she did get within range of the court house but not the clerk's office. Can this be paid at either place or only at the clerk's office where the finances are handled? On the other dates she couldn't possibly have been there.

Azlawyer, I assume that is true for an attorney but LE or the SA should have direct access through their computer system, shouldn't they?

Where was she? Because this case was handled not at the downtown Orlando court house, but the Ocoee branch courthouse. This case was handled there.

Responding to other questions in the thread:

Blink is the one that states the payment was not showing paid on 8/20/08.

I was aware of this Zenaida case record in July. It actually went delinquent on 8/20/08 and I found this important as Casey was incarcerated then and I was suspicious of the connection. I brought it to the attention of a source in Orlando, and I advised the source if there was anything to this issue relative to Casey’s case, someone had better do something to stop a bench warrant from being issued or the press would be all over it. Upon checking the next day it had been corrected retroactively to reflect the $100 payment on 8/15/08.

Information from OC:

Citation was given at 10:45 a.m. on 05/24/08
Location of citation intersection of Regal Point Blvd and Regal Downs Circle (right by the address on the driver's license that ZG22 doesn't live at!)
Vehicle description on citation "1995 Chevy Green Utility Vehicle"
Tag #J223GT

Tag #J223GT - DOES NOT BELONG TO a 1995 CHEVY GREEN UTILITY VEHICLE
It belongs to a Maroon 1997 Ford 4 door vehicle. VIN 1FALP6536VK102001. I won't give owner information on the 1997 Ford because they don't appear to be attached to this case at all...but bizarrely WE NOW STILL DON'T KNOW WHOSE VEHICLE ZG22 was driving because it had a tag on it that belonged to another car! O_O

Title was issued for the 97 Ford in August 2007 and the registration was up to date in May 2008. The registration was due to expire November 2008. The DMV records do NOT show it has been renewed, but some times there is a lag in information being updated.

Concerning whether ZG22 had counsel at the 6/11/08 arraignment:

I found the disposition on the traffic case. This is from the 06/11/08 arraignment. Signature at the bottom.

http://or.occompt.com/recorder/eagl...35S3662&id=DOC235S3662.A0&docName=20080384111

P.S. Waived right to counsel. So we solved that one. Also, please note that this arraignment was at the Ocoee location of the Orange county court system...not the Orlando downtown one, so this ZG22 never had to go to the Orange County downtown location...the payments can be made online or on the phone (learned that one yesterday in the multiple phone calls it took to get through to a live person...lol)

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Valhall ~ So good to see you back here!!! I was just on your website looking for more info.

Sorry, I can't seem to make the link for disposition on the traffic case work.

 

[Valhall]

Valhall ~ So good to see you back here!!! I was just on your website looking for more info.

Sorry, I can't seem to make the link for disposition on the traffic case work.

Thank you! I just fixed it.

 

[AZlawyer]

Where was she? Because this case was handled not at the downtown Orlando court house, but the Ocoee branch courthouse. This case was handled there.

Thanks for the Ocoee info. According to Google, it would be about a 30 minute drive from the Ocoee courthouse to the approximate area of her next ping at 9:40 am.

 

[Hell's Belle]

Yes, someone else could pay it but who would put their own life on the line to make that August 18 payment when the supposed owner of that fine is under arrest for her missing child? Plus, the person would know they would be a potential accessory leaving a paper trail with their name on it. Like I said in the other thread, it makes for a good mystery novel but won't hold up in reality in this particular case.

You can buy a money order with cash at the post office with no ID. Untraceable.

 

[BondJamesBond]

FWIW, when you pay online you can request a copy of the receipt online using the citation#, IIRC. A few weeks ago when I did this for the no DL violation it indicated that no receipt could be provided since no online payment was made.

 

[BondJamesBond]

OK...working from memory is a dangerous thing...so working from my memory should be a felony...:bang:

Still...IIRC, the paperwork that I recall seeing a copy of was stamped 6/11, however, I was of the impression that was likely a date of receipt or processing...that it was the plea made on 6/10 that we were seeing as signed, and ZG22 was a no-show on 6/11.

There's at least a 90% chance I'm mis-remembering this...but, IIRC, it was that same paperwork that indicated (via checkbox) the payments should be made at the Ocoee location vs. downtown. Some commented on this being a problem for the theory that held a payment was made downtown @ the OC Clerk's office on 7/15. The link above sends me to a login page, for which I don't have an id, etc. I recall the pdf of these docs being posted on the original Zanny thread and will see if I can find them.

ETA: No luck finding the pdf of this paperwork. I remember doing analysis on the signature vs. Casey's, and now I can't find it either. I'm on a slow connection tonight, so searches are painfully slow.

 

[Jaboom97]

Thank You ValHall for providing the information to support my claims made earlier in the thread, which also have been previously mentioned. =)

It must just be a standard option to say she had counsel present-but simply is debunked by looking at the actual form.

Wasn't it mentioned that there was a $100.00 issue that needed to be taken care of before LP and company could get her bailed out-didn't this occur during that timeframe of the August 15th payment. Has this ever been clarified-that could explain that payment as a condition to get tot mom out on bond when she was just accused of child abuse and neglect.

 

[Jaboom97]

Furthermore, if this traffic case happens to be in a prosecutorial stage, that public would probably NOT be privy to copies of these documents etc. I would then say only parties privy would be attorneys, LE, prosecutors, etc...(this is just an aside thought)

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

OK...working from memory is a dangerous thing...so working from my memory should be a felony...:bang:

Still...IIRC, the paperwork that I recall seeing a copy of was stamped 6/11, however, I was of the impression that was likely a date of receipt or processing...that it was the plea made on 6/10 that we were seeing as signed, and ZG22 was a no-show on 6/11.

There's at least a 90% chance I'm mis-remembering this...but, IIRC, it was that same paperwork that indicated (via checkbox) the payments should be made at the Ocoee location vs. downtown. Some commented on this being a problem for the theory that held a payment was made downtown @ the OC Clerk's office on 7/15. The link above sends me to a login page, for which I don't have an id, etc. I recall the pdf of these docs being posted on the original Zanny thread and will see if I can find them.

ETA: No luck finding the pdf of this paperwork. I remember doing analysis on the signature vs. Casey's, and now I can't find it either. I'm on a slow connection tonight, so searches are painfully slow.

BJB ~ re the bold: That's the way this link works. Just ignore the log in box and scroll to the bottom and hit the "I Acknowledge" button. It will then send you to the document. And your memory is pretty good. This is the document that has the box checked for where she had to pay.

 

[Brini]

Why yes she did. Wasn't that lee that told that to LE?

Yes, it was Lee. CA apparently said KC owed her at least that much.

 

[cecybeans]

And someone who is using an alias would have a fake checking account with that name, then use it while under arrest? I don't think so.

Have we ruled out cash payments?

 

[sumbunny]

I wouldn't think cash payments are ruled out. I also don't believe casey or ZG themselves needed to make the payments.

I'd think anyone making a payment towards a certain name would work.

The problem is "who" would do her dirty work in person for her? LEE?