Is Casey the real Zenaida?

[cecybeans]

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Thanks for the detail, panama. Much appreciated.

FWIW...this WESH report indicates Casey was being escorted into OCSO @ 4:40PM on 10/14 http://www.wftv.com/news/17705500/detail.html

Thanks - I was missing the time stamp on the ones I saw. I take it to mean it is unlikely that she accessed the page herself, either by computer or phone, if the 4:46 time is actual and not delayed by some server cache timer device. Dang! I'd still love to know the IP addy where it was accessed, however. The creation time and last-accessed time could not possibly be known in advance by anyone else but her. And the coincidence of it being someone else seems pretty astronomical for comfort.

 

[panama]

Wow, so in the first few lines, the time was supposed to say 3:46pm. Oops. I went back and edited it. It's correct (or at least typo-free) everywhere now, I believe.

I wonder if it's possible that the last login is actually the last time you were logged in.

The article says that she was "at her lawyer's office in Osceola County on Tuesday afternoon until around 3:00pm, enjoying her last few hours of the limited freedom she had." Maybe she was logged on at the lawyer's (JB?) office (!) and then got auto-logged out after a while, i.e., 3:46pm? Hmm.

(btw, I'm glad the detail is good. I figured it might make it easier if someone else wants to try and compare or replicate results. Go science! )

 

[sleutherontheside]

Wow, so in the first few lines, the time was supposed to say 3:46pm. Oops. I went back and edited it. It's correct (or at least typo-free) everywhere now, I believe.

I wonder if it's possible that the last login is actually the last time you were logged in.

The article says that she was "at her lawyer's office in Osceola County on Tuesday afternoon until around 3:00pm, enjoying her last few hours of the limited freedom she had." Maybe she was logged on at the lawyer's (JB?) office (!) and then got auto-logged out after a while, i.e., 3:46pm? Hmm.

(btw, I'm glad the detail is good. I figured it might make it easier if someone else wants to try and compare or replicate results. Go science! )

Yes....remember that instead of turning herself in, her attorney first held the presser? She or someone else in that office had all the time in the world to check one last time. IDIOTS

 

[Imbackon]

panama;4378535]Ok, I think I figured something out.

Short version: I believe that the time associated with the 10/14/08 "Last Login" for the zenadia myspace is about 3:46pm, Eastern Daylight Time (GMT-5 +1)

Long version: (holy crap, this feels like a lab report, but, hey, I'll go with it.)

What's the general idea?
On a whim, I searched google for "last login time myspace" (without quotes ). The first result was a really clever idea: you systematically switch your timezone and take note of when the "Last Login" date changes by a day. After some manipulation, this info will give you the hour-long range during which the Last Login took place.

Respectfully snipped by me


I not sure I understand why the last updated date/time comes across your cookie when you are not the user and not logged in. I'm in IT but I'm an old mainframer, so different worlds!

Anyway, whatever you did, I hope you can show this to someone in LE, should it come out that in fact they do think KC created this page!
They might need your expertise!

Good work, even if it is above my head.

 

[Valhall]

I'm not sure what Last Login actually refers to -- when you signed in, or when you signed out. (I could see it being either). I haven't looked around for this info yet.

I think that's it. I hope the explanation make some sense. (I don't even know whether it was too detailed or not detailed enough )

*Respectfully snipped for space*

YOU ARE AWESOME!!!

 

[countzero]

Gonna throw in another possibility here, if someone else has not previously mentioned it (after reading so many pages I don't remember) .....

CA only plays dumb about being computer illiterate. I wouldn't put it pass CA to be the one who came up with the cover story to create a zanny myspace account. Both CA and KC could have been accessing the account. If LE can bring it in to testimony, it will be very interesting to see exactly the info used to create and maintain it. LE can follow spoofing IPs.

 

[kew17]

Yes....remember that instead of turning herself in, her attorney first held the presser? She or someone else in that office had all the time in the world to check one last time. IDIOTS

My bets are on Lee as the suspected last check in. He DID have all her passwords, no? Maybe he went in that last time to "change" that password as the investigation was, shall we say stepping up.

 

[cecybeans]

Gonna throw in another possibility here, if someone else has not previously mentioned it (after reading so many pages I don't remember) .....

CA only plays dumb about being computer illiterate. I wouldn't put it pass CA to be the one who came up with the cover story to create a zanny myspace account. Both CA and KC could have been accessing the account. If LE can bring it in to testimony, it will be very interesting to see exactly the info used to create and maintain it. LE can follow spoofing IPs.

The only problem with that is that it was created the day Caylee went missing. Unless CA had advance notice, I doubt she would play along. Most of her Spin Cycle seems to have occurred after LE and the public got involved and it suddenly became clear to her exactly how she would look as Mother of a Murderer. Which means that, whoever created this knew exactly the day Caylee went missing and created it BEFORE she did by a small margin. That really reeks of premeditation, imo. Not to say that CA wasn't shown this by her daughter, but I'd have thought that CA would have given YM a big old voicemail instructing him to get on the stick and check this person out.

 

[countzero]

The only problem with that is that it was created the day Caylee went missing. Unless CA had advance notice, I doubt she would play along. Most of her Spin Cycle seems to have occurred after LE and the public got involved and it suddenly became clear to her exactly how she would look as Mother of a Murderer. Which means that, whoever created this knew exactly the day Caylee went missing and created it BEFORE she did by a small margin. That really reeks of premeditation, imo. Not to say that CA wasn't shown this by her daughter, but I'd have thought that CA would have given YM a big old voicemail instructing him to get on the stick and check this person out.

bbm: thanks .... that is what I have eventually come to think as well. Not a popular opinion around here, but I have always thought that CA was involved in Caylee's murder. Either directly or indirectly as I sit on that fence.

Remembering that CA and KC sat at the computer composing the mycayleeismissing page before KC was arrested, CA certainly would have wanted to find out if Zannie had a page. And of course there was one. Given what we know now of the dynamics of the A clan, CA certainly did NOT shout or even whisper knowledge of this myspace account.

Then we have the information that CA spouted about all the ZFG they found in FL and the background checks that DC performed, nothing was mentioned about the Zannie myspace page. Really strange they wanted to keep it "under the radar" as CA likes to say about herself.

Now that I think more about it, I'm left wondering if CA' work computer has been checked out for any searches. Hummmmm ....... as well as DC's.

 

[TakeNote]

I think you all are awesome!!

i have a question though.....if KC was/is able to pull of this ZG myspace.....
if she pre-planed this.....why did she do it on the 16th?.....why not do it long before hand....months before......?

the only thing i can think of she did it out of panic.....after what ever she did to caylee.....

i wonder why there was only the one other log in.....kc had a whole month....why didnt she make it look more like a real zg myspace?......i sitll wonder if she was planing on leaving town....and then useing this zg myspace to send her self or parents messages from zg/her self.....i also wonder if she could have had pic's of caylee not ever seen before by the family....to add to the myspace to make it look as though caylee was really with zanny......???

ok....rambleing now......i just wanted to say....great job....and it prevoked some thoughts in my crazy mind of what if's

 

[Just Jayla]

I am wondering about the southern Florida IP that the source referred to regarding the set-up of the ZG MySpace....Not to get too personal, but do the Baez' have a home or an office around Miami? Here's what I am gettnig at-I wonder if JB was accessing another PC remotely from his Orlando office. Here's a little about his Miami-Dade days and his own computer expertise:

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/may/03/casey-anthonys-lawyer-jose-baez-rejected-florida-b/

If Mr./Mrs. Baez have a laptop that was set-up or that she regularly uses in Miami, and she brings the laptop to Orlando on a wired broadband connection, would the laptop still connect with her southern Florida IP? I am assuming wireless would connect locally.

 

[cecybeans]

CZ - the biggest obstacle for me believing that CA could have been directly involved (I think most of us feel she indirectly helped with her toxic competitive narcissism and her enabling) was that KC would not have hesitated for a moment to throw CA under the bus. And I don't think CA - if KC had any real dirt on her - would have risk KC's wrath by creating that bitter little MySpace ditty, or calling 911 in such an obvious panic.

Perhaps CA wanted to keep things under the radar because she was the only she deemed qualified to pass judgement and hand out punishment. She didn't want to hand out authority to GA much less anyone else in managing her daughter, as if she was a complete creation and extension of herself. I think there are a few family anomalies that CA wants noone to see.

If KC told her mom about this "Z", then I'd assume that DC's computer would have been used to check it out. In fact, it would be a bad PI that hadn't found and investigated it, since our stellar researcher Valhall did. But I'm thinking that the Anthony family realized that ZFG was a dead end early on, and after Morgan's ZG started her civil suit, they more or less dropped that as a realistic SODDI concept and started hunting elsewhere for scapegoats.

 

[cecybeans]

I am wondering about the southern Florida IP that the source referred to regarding the set-up of the ZG MySpace....Not to get too personal, but do the Baez' have a home or an office around Miami? Here's what I am gettnig at-I wonder if JB was accessing another PC remotely from his Orlando office. Here's a little about his Miami-Dade days and his own computer expertise:

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/may/03/casey-anthonys-lawyer-jose-baez-rejected-florida-b/

If Mr./Mrs. Baez have a laptop that was set-up or that she regularly uses in Miami, and she brings the laptop to Orlando on a wired broadband connection, would the laptop still connect with her southern Florida IP? I am assuming wireless would connect locally.

That is an interesting observation - it would require KC to have known JB well ahead of time in order to create the page the day Caylee died and a month before CA reported her missing.

 

[countzero]

CZ - the biggest obstacle for me believing that CA could have been directly involved (I think most of us feel she indirectly helped with her toxic competitive narcissism and her enabling) was that KC would not have hesitated for a moment to throw CA under the bus. And I don't think CA - if KC had any real dirt on her - would have risk KC's wrath by creating that bitter little MySpace ditty, or calling 911 in such an obvious panic.

I have thought long about just this. There are still missing pieces of prior history between these two. The pieces we do have just don't jive together for me. But that is for another thread. Although I agree the myspace account was created the day Caylee disappeared and KC was responsible. Just when CA knew is up for grabs, imho.

Perhaps CA wanted to keep things under the radar because she was the only she deemed qualified to pass judgement and hand out punishment. She didn't want to hand out authority to GA much less anyone else in managing her daughter, as if she was a complete creation and extension of herself. I think there are a few family anomalies that CA wants noone to see.

Ha, there is no perhaps included in your sentence. She did and has deemed herself this position, lol.


If KC told her mom about this "Z", then I'd assume that DC's computer would have been used to check it out. In fact, it would be a bad PI that hadn't found and investigated it, since our stellar researcher Valhall did. But I'm thinking that the Anthony family realized that ZFG was a dead end early on, and after Morgan's ZG started her civil suit, they more or less dropped that as a realistic SODDI concept and started hunting elsewhere for scapegoats.

Thanks cecybeans .... There is just so much evidence collected in this thread for me to agree that KC originated the ZFG myspace. I'm waiting for LE to validate it like the rest of us. For me, there was more than enough time from the moment the car was found for coverup stories to be created, including the extension of updating the myspace page, both for Caylee and ZFG. As for CA's 911 calls, I continue to believe they were simply part of the coverup. Again, those theories are in another thread.

Whether CA did or didn't have knowledge of the ZFG myspace page, it's discovery lends credence to KC's motives which most of us agree with.

 

[JWG]

Ok, I think I figured something out.

Short version: I believe that the time associated with the 10/14/08 "Last Login" for the zenadia myspace is about 3:46pm, Eastern Daylight Time (GMT-5 +1)

*** SNIP ***

SIGNUP:
5.51 6/16 MIDNIGHT for GMT+5.51 -> 23.49 for GMT+5 -> 18.49 for GMT+0 -> 13.49 for GMT-5 ; 1:29:24
5.52 6/17 MIDNIGHT for GMT+5.52 -> 23.48 FOR GMT+5 -> 18.48 for GMT+0 -> 13.48 for GMT-5 ; 1:28:48
(EDT = GMT-5 +1 -> between 2:28pm & 2:29pm) on 6/16/08


UPDATED:
5.48 6/16 MIDNIGHT for GMT+5.48 -> 23.52 for GMT+5 -> 18.52 for GMT+0 -> 13.52 for GMT-5 ; 1:31:18
5.49 6/17 MIDNIGHT for GMT+5.49 -> 23.51 for GMT+5 -> 18.51 for GMT+0 -> 13.51 for GMT-5 ; 1:30:36
(EDT = GMT-5 +1 -> between 2:30pm & 2:31pm) on 6/16/08

I believe these times are consistent with the ones people previously found, which lends support to the Last Login time being correct.

Awesome piece of work, Agent P. :clap:

Now, can anyone on this board tell us where KC was at 3:46 PM on October 14? :waitasec:

ETA: I should read all the way through the thread rather than blurting out a question. :doh: I see Mr. Bond has already answered my question. :thumb:

 

[LambChop]

I am wondering about the southern Florida IP that the source referred to regarding the set-up of the ZG MySpace....Not to get too personal, but do the Baez' have a home or an office around Miami? Here's what I am gettnig at-I wonder if JB was accessing another PC remotely from his Orlando office. Here's a little about his Miami-Dade days and his own computer expertise:

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/may/03/casey-anthonys-lawyer-jose-baez-rejected-florida-b/

If Mr./Mrs. Baez have a laptop that was set-up or that she regularly uses in Miami, and she brings the laptop to Orlando on a wired broadband connection, would the laptop still connect with her southern Florida IP? I am assuming wireless would connect locally.

Not sure this questions was asked previously but didn't JB's daughter go to school in Miami? Maybe she is the one with the Miami laptop? Not computer literate so don't know how that would work.

 

[JWG]

Wow, so in the first few lines, the time was supposed to say 3:46pm. Oops. I went back and edited it. It's correct (or at least typo-free) everywhere now, I believe.

I wonder if it's possible that the last login is actually the last time you were logged in.

The article says that she was "at her lawyer's office in Osceola County on Tuesday afternoon until around 3:00pm, enjoying her last few hours of the limited freedom she had." Maybe she was logged on at the lawyer's (JB?) office (!) and then got auto-logged out after a while, i.e., 3:46pm? Hmm.

(btw, I'm glad the detail is good. I figured it might make it easier if someone else wants to try and compare or replicate results. Go science! )

FWIW...the last login reflects the last time the user entered their email address and password into the sign-in screen. When this is done a cookie is created that myspace looks at during future visits to see if the user is logged in or not. Thus it is important to know where KC was at 3:46 PM, because that is when she (or someone) logged into that account. It is not a log out time.

Logging out is not shown on a myspace page. Myspace might record it somewhere in their records when a user clicks on the "sign out" button, but that is not the only method of signing out. Clicking on the "sign out" button
also deletes the cookie I mentioned above (or at least it removes the token from the cookie that lets myspace know a specific user is logged in). That cookie is also deleted when:

• A tab with the myspace page is closed in a tabbed browser, and then the tabbed browser is closed.
• A non-tabbed browser with the myspace page is closed.

Note that if the myspace page is opened in a tabbed browser and the browser is closed (but not the tab), the cookie is not automatically deleted. I've tested the above on tabbed browsers (Firefox and Chrome) as well as non-tabbed (IE 6).

Anyway, bottom line is if the 3:46PM time is accurate, then KC would have to be at a computer somewhere at 3:46PM for the login to have been due to her actions.

So when did the slow-speed chase occur? :waitasec:

 

[OneLostGrl]

bbm: thanks .... that is what I have eventually come to think as well. Not a popular opinion around here, but I have always thought that CA was involved in Caylee's murder. Either directly or indirectly as I sit on that fence.

Remembering that CA and KC sat at the computer composing the mycayleeismissing page before KC was arrested, CA certainly would have wanted to find out if Zannie had a page. And of course there was one. Given what we know now of the dynamics of the A clan, CA certainly did NOT shout or even whisper knowledge of this myspace account.

Then we have the information that CA spouted about all the ZFG they found in FL and the background checks that DC performed, nothing was mentioned about the Zannie myspace page. Really strange they wanted to keep it "under the radar" as CA likes to say about herself.

Now that I think more about it, I'm left wondering if CA' work computer has been checked out for any searches. Hummmmm ....... as well as DC's.

I gotta tell ya, it's nice to hear I'm not sitting on this fence alone!

 

[cecybeans]

FWIW...the last login reflects the last time the user entered their email address and password into the sign-in screen. When this is done a cookie is created that myspace looks at during future visits to see if the user is logged in or not. Thus it is important to know where KC was at 3:46 PM, because that is when she (or someone) logged into that account. It is not a log out time.

Logging out is not shown on a myspace page. Myspace might record it somewhere in their records when a user clicks on the "sign out" button, but that is not the only method of signing out. Clicking on the "sign out" button
also deletes the cookie I mentioned above (or at least it removes the token from the cookie that lets myspace know a specific user is logged in). That cookie is also deleted when:

• A tab with the myspace page is closed in a tabbed browser, and then the tabbed browser is closed.
• A non-tabbed browser with the myspace page is closed.

Note that if the myspace page is opened in a tabbed browser and the browser is closed (but not the tab), the cookie is not automatically deleted. I've tested the above on tabbed browsers (Firefox and Chrome) as well as non-tabbed (IE 6).

Anyway, bottom line is if the 3:46PM time is accurate, then KC would have to be at a computer somewhere at 3:46PM for the login to have been due to her actions.

So when did the slow-speed chase occur? :waitasec:

Could KC access this from a cellphone? If so, could she have used CA's phone if she was in the car? I am also wondering if, after the indictment, JB took KC back to his office for the press conference. If that's the case, and she was inside, then it is possible she briefly had computer access.

 

[reeseeva]

On October 14, 2008, she was booked @ 7:04 P.M. IIRC she was home before the car chase and then tried to switch cars:waitasec:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71772&highlight=October&page=3

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