Is Casey the real Zenaida?

[Just Jayla]

That is an interesting observation - it would require KC to have known JB well ahead of time in order to create the page the day Caylee died and a month before CA reported her missing.

Ah yes, you are right-The southern Florida IP is when it was created then, not last accessed-My brain fart!

 

[cecybeans]

Please let's not be hasty to box the Zenaida thing before we have more info. The travel times are simply an estimate and may not reflect the actual time KC had to access this page. We are only guessing.

I realize that internet and phone access was to be restricted but Tracy mentioned that she used the computer both at home and at JB's office. I'm assuming LE was fully aware of that and may have been monitoring both phone and internet usage. After all, it's not like they could trust the Anthony family to fully cooperate, since they were doing their best to corroborate her lies. I think they may have felt that it would be more fruitful to give her some space and surveillance.

The coincidence of a zenaida page being created several hours before Caylee disappears and being accessed several hours before KC is finally booked is simply too uncanny to be chance. It's either the scenario that Valhall and JWG have tracked or Caylee herself is pulling strings from the beyond (and I just prefer the more logical former alternative) because I just don't buy the odds that some Zenaida in South Florida was compelled to create an empty MySpace page with those precise time stamps.

I think this bears considering until we are absolutely sure it doesn't, and I'm not there yet, y'all.

 

[mitzi]

I gotta tell ya, it's nice to hear I'm not sitting on this fence alone!

I think there's a few of us on that fence. :innocent:

 

[Imbackon]

Ok, I tried to catch up, so I may have missed something.
The dynamic duo (Valhal and Jwg) are thinking there wasn't time due to travel right?
The log in time was 3:46 or something, and they had to get on the road by then?
I see 28 mph was used, but 4 sure, I NEVER drive that slow, unless maybe it's Holloween night and all the kids are out walking on the road I am on
So, what is the LATEST TIME they could have gotten in the car is my first question?
Are we sure someone didn't have a laptop with wi-fi or something?
Or, could cindy's phone be used? Do we know for sure cindy's phone could NOT have been used?
I have iphone and am logged on at any place, most anytime unless I am driving out in the boondocks or disrupted service for some reason like in some elevators, and big cement towers.
I can see KC telling CA she wants to check for any messages b4 turning herself in no problem. Even pretending to be doing some kind of MISSING CAYLEE work. Cindy would easily buy that one.

ETA, plus the time problem is the last login right? Remember the A's got passwords from KC. What's to say Lee didn't log into the site. Maybe he found the page himself and tried known passwords?

 

[Harmony 2]

May I ask.......does anyone remember that KC was prohibited from using cell phone or internet while on home confinement?* I can't find proof, but I swear that was an issue.* If so....why did the batphone scenario even happen?* Was internet usage from the A house monitored?

This is what Cindy said about Casey's phone and internet usage (MySpace/ Facebook) during that time:

(page 270 of Cindy's depo part 2)

 

[Virtual Truth]

IIRC, the stop was made at the underpass where Narcossee goes under 417. According to Google Earth that is 8.8 miles, or 19 minutes drive using whatever assumptions the tool makes. Roughly 28 MPH.

So let's apply the credibility test.

CA and KC allegedly arranged the car switch so that KC can attempt to turn herself in without the media being there. I imagine things were a bit frantic and emotional those final minutes at the Anthony home.

Is it credible to believe that one of the very last things KC did in the home - perhaps the very last thing she did - was to login to the zenaida Myspace page? :waitasec:

Sorry, I haven't finished reading the thread yet, BUT I remember that KC and CA left from JB's Kissimee office and were on some road near the airport when pulled over by LE/FBI during the car switcharoo under the overpass as they were heading downtown to precinct. Local FOX captured the stop on camera. Remember, CA yelling at the camera-person that blonde reporter girl that CA liked would never again get an exclusive interview because they chased them and got it on camera. I am sure that FOX has the footage time-stamped somewhere in archieves.

 

[Imbackon]

This is what Cindy said about Casey's phone and internet usage (MySpace/ Facebook) during that time:

(page 270 of Cindy's depo part 2)

please Jwg or Valhal, if you see this. Will you please outline for this simple girl what you think regarding the leave time from JB's office and why you think it is not possible for KC to have checked her secret myspace acct.
If this is not appropriate, please mod delete this ok.
I didn't want to send a private msg, cause I suspect others are wondering too as we have put much stock into what Jwg/Valhal have said about this subject.
If it's a dead issue, I just wanna know!

 

[Valhall]

please Jwg or Valhal, if you see this. Will you please outline for this simple girl what you think regarding the leave time from JB's office and why you think it is not possible for KC to have checked her secret myspace acct.
If this is not appropriate, please mod delete this ok.
I didn't want to send a private msg, cause I suspect others are wondering too as we have put much stock into what Jwg/Valhal have said about this subject.
If it's a dead issue, I just wanna know!

I have to be honest and admit I have not done any checking to see the times associated with when KC left on the big OJ re-enactment, so I am unsure what times would and would not work.

I guess at this point it comes down to: 1. did panama make any kind of error in his analysis - I don't think he did. 2. when did KC leave with CA? It appears right now (without checking) that if the times given are correct, then it would mean the last thing KC did was run to a computer and log in to the zenaida myspace and then go to the car and leave.

That seems illogical.

 

[cecybeans]

I have to be honest and admit I have not done any checking to see the times associated with when KC left on the big OJ re-enactment, so I am unsure what times would and would not work.

I guess at this point it comes down to: 1. did panama make any kind of error in his analysis - I don't think he did. 2. when did KC leave with CA? It appears right now (without checking) that if the times given are correct, then it would mean the last thing KC did was run to a computer and log in to the zenaida myspace and then go to the car and leave.

That seems illogical.

Not necessarily. If she created the page and was hoping LE would find it and it would somehow seem like her nanny alibi was real, she may have either wanted to see who may have "friended" zenaida, or she may have logged on thinking to change something or add detail and just did not have enough time before CA said get in the car we need to go, honey. CA may have gone to the bathroom and KC sneaked in for one last look. It was the only really important thing that might save her stupid Zanny story and I think it would have been more important to her than almost anything else at that point. It was her very last chance to even check.

 

[magic-cat]

IIRC we found out recently, and I cannot for the life of me recall from where...yet...that the no phone no internet were Jose's conditions, and not the conditions of her bond/bail whatsoever...I may be wrong, but somewhere, perhaps when we were learning of the "bat phones" is what I am thinking, is when this info came out...??? Anyone else recall it?

 

[Just Jayla]

I am sure with all of the hard work here, this has been attempted: KC can be searched out by looking her up by e-mail address in MySpace. Although it looks like it might not work out if she deleted her e-mail addresses, is it possible that the ZG space can be linked to any of KC's e-mail adresses that we know of? Or Thomas Franke's e-mail address?

ETA-I will try and see if I can find anything, but please someone stop me if this has already been tried!

 

[cecybeans]

IIRC we found out recently, and I cannot for the life of me recall from where...yet...that the no phone no internet were Jose's conditions, and not the conditions of her bond/bail whatsoever...I may be wrong, but somewhere, perhaps when we were learning of the "bat phones" is what I am thinking, is when this info came out...??? Anyone else recall it?

Was that in Tracy M's testimony? She seemed to shed a lot of light on that kind of stuff. Or may Tony P told us when he visited. Maybe it's in his thread.

 

[BondJamesBond]

IIRC, the stop was made at the underpass where Narcossee goes under 417. According to Google Earth that is 8.8 miles, or 19 minutes drive using whatever assumptions the tool makes. Roughly 28 MPH.

*snipped*

Every once in a while I get lucky...it is rare I get lucky twice in one day.

#1 Found the audio of Casey being placed under arrest 10/14 [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9QOOE_lsys"]YouTube- Casey Anthony Arrest Audio October 14 2008[/ame]

I never knew this existed and found it to be an interesting listen.

#2 At the close of the arrest LE gives the audible time of 4:22PM

So...
4:22PM - 10 minutes time of arrest recording until time given = 4:12PM
4:12PM - 19 minutes time of driving per JWG's info above = 3:53PM

Allowing some +/- for getting out of Baez's office and into the car, etc. this means Casey left Baez's office sometime < 3:53PM 10/14.

 

[cecybeans]

Okay, and they went straight from the office (and did not stop by Hopespring for any reason), to OCSO (give or take fooling around and the 45 minute delay), correct?

 

[Harmony 2]

Not necessarily. If she created the page and was hoping LE would find it and it would somehow seem like her nanny alibi was real, she may have either wanted to see who may have "friended" zenaida, or she may have logged on thinking to change something or add detail and just did not have enough time before CA said get in the car we need to go, honey. CA may have gone to the bathroom and KC sneaked in for one last look. It was the only really important thing that might save her stupid Zanny story and I think it would have been more important to her than almost anything else at that point. It was her very last chance to even check.

Just like she created the fake Email from Universal events director, Thomas Franck, to make it seem like her job at Universal was real.

 

[sleutherontheside]

I have been self instructing regarding website owners, IP, trace routes, and back links......after all I have seen here...is there any site that I could visit that could teach me more?????

 

[sumbunny]

This means casey had 7 minutes at jose's office to access the zenaida page! woot!

I'm amazed at this thread

 

[JWG]

*snipped*

Every once in a while I get lucky...it is rare I get lucky twice in one day.

#1 Found the audio of Casey being placed under arrest 10/14 YouTube- Casey Anthony Arrest Audio October 14 2008

I never knew this existed and found it to be an interesting listen.

#2 At the close of the arrest LE gives the audible time of 4:22PM

So...
4:22PM - 10 minutes time of arrest recording until time given = 4:12PM
4:12PM - 19 minutes time of driving per JWG's info above = 3:53PM

Allowing some +/- for getting out of Baez's office and into the car, etc. this means Casey left Baez's office sometime < 3:53PM 10/14.

Bond, love having you here looking over our shoulders. :clap:

The drive time I gave above was from the Anthony home. Silly me ... looks like it was from Baez's office. :bang:

I assume it was from his Kissimmee office? :waitasec: It could have been a 17 minute drive, but we would need to know the route they took. :waitasec:

This gives KC possibly another two minutes flexibility in signing into the zenaida myspace, but I still need to ask ... why? She's about to leave for prison. If she is not prepared to announce to the world that the Myspace proves the existence of ZFG, and if she is not prepared to delete the site...why log in? :waitasec:

 

[Amil]

*snipped*

Every once in a while I get lucky...it is rare I get lucky twice in one day.

#1 Found the audio of Casey being placed under arrest 10/14 YouTube- Casey Anthony Arrest Audio October 14 2008

I never knew this existed and found it to be an interesting listen.

#2 At the close of the arrest LE gives the audible time of 4:22PM

So...
4:22PM - 10 minutes time of arrest recording until time given = 4:12PM
4:12PM - 19 minutes time of driving per JWG's info above = 3:53PM

Allowing some +/- for getting out of Baez's office and into the car, etc. this means Casey left Baez's office sometime < 3:53PM 10/14.

How do you like the red heart drawn on Cindy's window? KC is a spiteful b....!!!

 

[cecybeans]

I'd bet that KC is a smug little narcissist that may have wanted to check her brilliant handiwork one more time just to make sure it was there for LE to discover (or DC if they needed a push) and she thought that they would somehow think that was substantive - that it would corroborate her Zenaida story. I think KC thinks anything that is on the internet is as good as real. I can totally see her checking it or maybe trying to add something at the last minute. After all, her entire story still depended on some mysterious Miami-nanny; she has never budged from that. Too bad she can't read all the stuff going on here or she might realize that the public isn't as gullible as her parents.