Is there any possibility of a Plea Deal on the Murder Charges?

[Muzikman]

Start about about the 2:00 mark:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/34746158#34746158

At about 2:10, Meredith says to Andrea "When Kerry started his piece, he said at the top of it that you were confident that Casey Anthony would walk, and you said under your breath "I'm Not."

Whereupon Andrea goes into her diatribe about the Salem Witch Trials.

 

[MD MOMMY]

I just finished "Angel of Death Row", thanks to my lickity split public library.

I will eat my hat if there is a plea in the murder trial..no way. It's up to KC to take a plea and she simply will not do it. She gambled with every aspect OF her life, why would she not gamble ON her life. Her pride would never allow her to do it. I personally think it has nothing to do with JB or AL, although I don't think they would ever want her go that route either.

 

[JBean]

At about 2:10, Meredith says to Andrea "When Kerry started his piece, he said at the top of it that you were confident that Casey Anthony would walk, and you said under your breath "I'm Not."

Whereupon Andrea goes into her diatribe about the Salem Witch Trials.

Thank you MM
She said, when asked if she was confident that KC would walk :
"of course not, there is always a presumption of guilt. and the intense media scrutiny here has made it, as far as I can see, virtually impossible for her to get a fair trial. we are rolling even a bigger stone up a bigger hill than you normally would....I am scared to death I am scared for my client. I am afraid that the fact that she has been pilloried in the press.."

Then she goes into her Salem witch trial diatribe.

 

[RR0004]

Good question. I would also like to see where she said she"doubts a jury will clear KC of her daughters murder"
The transcript would be from the Today Show 1-7-2010 IIRC.

I think it was paraphrasing what was said. I did watch it and she did say she was afraid for her client...very worried that she wouldn't get a fair trial.

 

[JBean]

I think it was paraphrasing what was said. I did watch it and she did say she was afraid for her client...very worried that she wouldn't get a fair trial.

Yes she did say that, you are right on.

 

[RR0004]

Two things to think about (and I'm guilty of not having read the entire thread yet):

1) The judge doesn't necessarily have to accept a plea agreement.

2) Denial is strong, and CA and GA are the He-men of the denial world. Even if Casey took a plea, they won't necessarily "see what their daughter has done."

My son's biological father killed my son, and eventually was offered a plea agreement, which he accepted. However, the judge chose not to accept the plea and gave him the maximum sentence (which he absolutely deserved, and then some). Even after that his mother still didn't come out of denial...I highly doubt she's even come out of denial.

I can totally see Casey feeding them some big story about how she had to take the deal or something....blame it on someone else, I guess. "Zanny forced me to take the plea deal, wahhhh!"

My heart aches for you, dear Flourish.

:blowkiss: :blowkiss:

 

[Rlaub44]

No argument from me.
But I am really wondering if you think the state will actually offer her a deal?
I am thinking they will.

I don't believe they will anymore. Ashton's impassioned speech to Judge Strickland at the motions hearing demonstrated to me how strongly prosecution feels about their case, and also speaks to how horrified we all are at the thought of Caylee dying with duct tape layered over her nose and mouth.

To go back and offer a deal now would hint at a lack of confidence in their case, and I don't sense that the State doesn't believe they have the goods to convict her. Part of the build-up to trial has included much posturing from both sides, and I can't see the prosecution allowing momentum to swing back to Baez by offering a deal that makes their side look weak.

However, if defense were to ask for a plea deal, I could see the SA considering it if the conditions were strong enough. If you can get a guaranteed life sentence without rolling the dice at trial, as long as Casey were required to admit the details of her involvement in Caylee's murder, I believe the prosecution would be satisfied.

But just imagine trying to get the whole truth out of Casey!

 

[2goldfish]

I think that the State is normally happy to take a plea - saves lots of time and money.

plus you can never be certain with a jury trial. OJ Simpson? I think they're happy to just hand out some life in prison. this is not about winning, it is about justice.

on the other hand it could be down to just how much more the state knows than we know. if they could prove with a little more certainty than I currently have that KC taped that baby's mouth closed and watched her die, they will most likely get the DP they are asking for.

I suspect either way, plea or trial, kc will get life.

(dont get me wrong - the drama "hoor" in me is very happily waiting to watch a televised trial of dramatic ridiculousness. but it serves no purpose at all when it comes to justice.)

 

[wonders]

I am on the fence about this topic. On one hand I can't see KC taking a plea simply because of the way she thinks of herself. On the other hand though I can see the defense begging for a plea from the SA. (1) because I think they have no one to refute the states evidence. (2) KC is unable to control her anger even in hearings how will they control her at trial. I don't know I just think that a trial will not go in favor of KC. All I can do is pray that the state will do what is right for Caylee and KC will never walk the outside of a prison again in her life. MOO.

 

[The World According]

http://www.wftv.com/video/21207724/

Mr. Bill Scheaffer: "The proper response would have been, Are you kidding me, she is innocent, we have plead not guilty. We're going to trial!" He continues, "By not saying that , it is a recognition by the defense as to the quality and quantity of evidence being accumulated against Casey".
http://www.wftv.com/video/21207781/

 

[cyberborg]

I am on the fence about this topic. On one hand I can't see KC taking a plea simply because of the way she thinks of herself. On the other hand though I can see the defense begging for a plea from the SA. (1) because I think they have no one to refute the states evidence. (2) KC is unable to control her anger even in hearings how will they control her at trial. I don't know I just think that a trial will not go in favor of KC. All I can do is pray that the state will do what is right for Caylee and KC will never walk the outside of a prison again in her life. MOO.

I agree. Catch-22.

1. KC is in control and never wants to relinquish that by admitting to anything.

2. KC has anger issues that are as plain as her face, as do the A's.

KC, CA and, GA did not last 5 minutes in the Dec. 11 Motion Hearing as the SA provided a preview theory of Caylee's last moments. If they cannot last 5 minutes in court then how on earth are they going to survive ~5 weeks at trial?

The Jury will not need to listen to the evidence, all they need to do is watch the faces of KC and her parents as damning evidence and testimony is rolled out. They could determine a sentence of guilt based on the visual alone.

The Defense has a major challenge in trying to refute the forensics and testimony never mind having to stage manage KC not to react so badly and hurt the case.

The last thing KC wants to do is admit guilt but what else can she/they do?

If a face saving deal is available for them to plead out to LIFE but at the same time claim KC's innocence in the media, that she was railroaded and vilified it seems the only path, although it does preclude appeals as well - right?

 

[Chiquita71]

Hello WS

I would like Casey to stand trial and I would like to hear from her personally, what happened to Caylee. I am just waiting to see what happens.

As far as the media and this case is concerned: they are not the source for my opinions on this case. I don't understand saying the media has spun this story? If they have put on spin...then what is the real story that they are "spinning" to their advantage? The defense keeps on saying that Casey has been misrepresented in the media but I have read the docs and interviews and for me: it seems like the media is reporting the information available: as it is.

I don't think it is the media that is making Casey look guilty. She does that all by herself.

I never believe something just because I saw it in the news. Heaven forbid.

...jmo...

 

[JBean]

I don't believe they will anymore. Ashton's impassioned speech to Judge Strickland at the motions hearing demonstrated to me how strongly prosecution feels about their case, and also speaks to how horrified we all are at the thought of Caylee dying with duct tape layered over her nose and mouth.

To go back and offer a deal now would hint at a lack of confidence in their case, and I don't sense that the State doesn't believe they have the goods to convict her. Part of the build-up to trial has included much posturing from both sides, and I can't see the prosecution allowing momentum to swing back to Baez by offering a deal that makes their side look weak.

However, if defense were to ask for a plea deal, I could see the SA considering it if the conditions were strong enough. If you can get a guaranteed life sentence without rolling the dice at trial, as long as Casey were required to admit the details of her involvement in Caylee's murder, I believe the prosecution would be satisfied.

But just imagine trying to get the whole truth out of Casey!

I appreciate your thoughts. I still think the DP is a good bargaining chip and it will be used in exchange for life and a plea. It takes both parties to broker a plea and I don't think it much matters who brings it up because both parties have to be willing to talk.
No cause of death is a problem for the prosection,imo and consequently makes the DP far from a slam dunk. that alone would be a good reason to perhaps offer life because no matter how good their case may be, I still think the DP is a stretch.
But I always qualify my DP posts by stating that I am strongly opposed to the DP on every level, so the DP is always a stretch for me LOL.

 

[hroark2112]

I think she'll never take the stand if it goes to trial. That would bury her, and if she takes the stand, she may as well start picking her last meal. Any good attorney would tell her "KC, you have the right to remain silent. Use it!"

As far as life or DP, a life sentence to a healthy 23 year old party animal might be worse than death. Spending the next 50-60 years of your life behind bars would suck, and even thinking about the possibility of doing the rest of my life behind bars creeps me out.

 

[Tulessa]

Could it be possible that Dominic Casey turned states evidence? Nothing about this case makes sense anymore.

 

[LambChop]

Could it be possible that Dominic Casey turned states evidence? Nothing about this case makes sense anymore.

You have to wonder what else has kept the defense busy this past month? Certainly not those two letters. JMO

 

[kaRN]

I realize this is a difficult concept even in a hypothetical, because the media has just about everyone, except the defense team, convinced that KC is guilty, but my question is
Hypothetically speaking,
If KC is innocent of the charges of premeditated murder, aggravated child abuse, and aggravated manslaughter of a child, as in somebody else was responsible for the death of Caylee, then would any plea resulting in jail time be acceptable?

respectfully snipped for length

Hi thedeviledadvocate,
An innocent person should never plea. The truth (naively maybe) will set them free.
An innocent person acts as such however. Toddler goes missing and 911 is called as are all the friends and family this perp waited 31 days to contact via text. Way too much has been released to ignore the fact that we aren't dealing with a Mother who would move mountains and earth to love and protect her child in this case are we. What she's guilty of I'll leave for a jury.
If KC had acted as a normal person would have under similar circumstances, we wouldn't be here today IMO.

 

[logicalgirl]

You have to wonder what else has kept the defense busy this past month? Certainly not those two letters. JMO

Christmas celebrations, New Years and the long long list of New Year's resolutions, cruising with Geraldo, book signings, tv appearances, other clients to defend because of wide attention from Casey's case, reviewing the mitigation experts notes only to find nothing of any use, banging head on wall, etc. re-reviewing RHornsby's notes and suggestions.......Time flies!

 

[kaRN]

Hello WS

I would like Casey to stand trial and I would like to hear from her personally, what happened to Caylee. I am just waiting to see what happens.

As far as the media and this case is concerned: they are not the source for my opinions on this case. I don't understand saying the media has spun this story? If they have put on spin...then what is the real story that they are "spinning" to their advantage? The defense keeps on saying that Casey has been misrepresented in the media but I have read the docs and interviews and for me: it seems like the media is reporting the information available: as it is.

I don't think it is the media that is making Casey look guilty. She does that all by herself.

I never believe something just because I saw it in the news. Heaven forbid.

...jmo...

KC could take the stand and read the script Zanny gave her. ITA with your great post!

 

[shotzie]

I agree with Rlaub44 The Pros. are too passionate about this case to give her a plea..maybe down from the DP, but then give her LWOP.

Just because everyone is getting on this fraud case MAYBE being a plea..they think it will pertain to the Murder TRIAL..HOPE not..

I just hope if the plea deal in the fraud does really happen, It will have Casey go into the public part of the prison so she will get the real taste of PRISON life..

I will never get over what Casey did to Caylee and she needs to Pay..
WE NEED JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE..don't brush it under the RUG.:banghead:

sorry if I sound mad,,but I am..crossing fingers..NO PLEA..