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They have even acceded to the Rome Statute which others did not; but at the moment the humanitarian crisis within Gaza is as a result of direct Israeli actions which will resume immediately the ceasefire ends.​


What should Israel do to comply with international humanitarian law?

Israel has fundamental legal obligations to abide by during its campaign against Hamas. Heavily charged statements by some Israeli officials need to be separated from sound legal policy. In brief, Israel must meet several standards:​

  • It must not use starvation (including deprivation of food, water, and other essentials for survival) of Gaza’s civilian population as a weapon of war against Hamas or for any reason.
  • It must take every possible step to target only Hamas militants and their military infrastructure, and to minimize civilian casualties and the destruction of civilian infrastructure. The Israeli air and artillery campaign, as well as its ground warfare, must be guided by the immutable legal principles of humanity, distinction, proportionality, and military necessity.
  • It must allow for the return of displaced civilians after the conflict. While a temporary evacuation of civilians from a theatre of combat can be legally requested, it would be unlawful to permanently displace the civilian population from their homes. The circumstances in Gaza today create enormous hardship for hundreds of thousands of Palestinian civilians, and Israel should take measures to ameliorate these difficult conditions. The visits of U.S. President Joe Biden and U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken to the Middle East this week focused in part on what Israel and other nations and organizations can do to address the humanitarian plight of Palestinians in Gaza.
www.cfr.org

What International Law Has to Say About the Israel-Hamas War

Hamas’s attack on Israel and the ensuing war in the Gaza Strip raise a host of questions about the combatants’ legal obligations.
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I think the "solution" will be to force the PM, IDF leaders to either resign or be prosecuted for war crimes.

JMO
 
shotgun09 said:
There is no disputing that hamas started the war. None.
And in so doing, hamas absolutely knew that Israel would react. They ( hamas) knew their own people would be at risk, and yet they used them. They did not prepare them, nor protect them. That is the ugly side of war. And it belongs solely in the lap of hamas. MOO and Peace
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With respect; Hamas committed a horrific crime on the 7th but I think the war was started long ago with this being the legacy.

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11min ago

11 Israeli hostages freed Monday in stable condition, says hospital​

The 11 Israelis freed on Monday as hostages of Hamas in Gaza are in stable condition and have reunited with their families, say the Health Ministry and Ichilov Hospital, where the hostages were taken by military helicopters earlier.

“This is an exciting and complex night at the same time,” says Dr. Ram Sagi from the Health Ministry, as cited by Hebrew media.

“Ichilov Hospital was prepared and ready to receive the women and children and here they met their families for the first time. They will receive medical and psychological treatment as needed,”
 
16:46 27 Nov

'I've just returned from Gaza hospital - the conditions were apocalyptic'​

Louisa Pilbeam
News correspondent

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Ghassan Abu-Sittah gave a news conference on MondayImage caption: Ghassan Abu-Sittah gave a news conference on Monday

Moving away from the truce deal for a moment, let's take a look at what we've been hearing from a British surgeon who has returned to London after working in Gaza.
Prof Ghassan Abu-Sittah described conditions as "apocalyptic".

He said the al-Shifa Hospital and al-Ahli Hospital were so unsanitary and supplies were so low, that he had to visit a local shop for anything he could find to try to save children’s lives.

“Several kids had worms coming out of their wounds. At one stage, I went to the corner shop to buy washing up liquid to clean them," Abu-Sittah told journalists at a news conference earlier.

"We were operating in conditions the same as those in the First World War.”

He said most of the children were amputees and estimated there were up to 900 children in Gaza with amputated limbs.

 

"Warped Hamas warlords REFUSE to release youngest hostage :(​

instead handing TEN-MONTH-OLD Kfir Bibas ​

to separate Palestine terror group operating in southern city ​

expected to be obliterated by IDF when ceasefire ends - ​

as Israel welcomes 11 captives home."​


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www.dailymail.co.uk

Horror as Hamas prevents release of 10-month-old baby hostage

Baby Kfir had just learned to walk when he, along with his brother Ariel, four, and his mother Shiri, 32, was taken from his family's home in Kibbutz Nir Oz during Hamas' incursion on October 7
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
Chimera said:
Bbm.
Ita.

First bolded : It says a lot !
Other countries fear the savagery of Palestinians/Gazans. (Yes, there are a few who do speak out, but not enough in return for the money and aid being freely given. Maybe the Gazans need to start paying for the fuel and other necessities ? Or at the least let the IDF know where Hamas is keeping it hidden ?)

Second bolded : Question : When Israel pulled out of Gaza ... had they left a thriving infrastructure ?
Considering the photos of what was still standing after the Hamas misfires, it looks like much of Gaza was stable.
What Hamas didn't burn to the ground.
For all intents and purposes, the Palestinians do have their own nation, Gaza.
And they elected whom they wanted in power.
Now the Gazan citizens are seeing the results.
Omo.
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None of the Arab countries in the region want anything to do with Gaza, and Gaza cannot continue to be Israel's problem. That means that Gaza has to be cleaned up, Hamas has to be gone, and the region needs to become civilized enough so that Arab countries are willing to deal with Gaza. No one in the world wants to deal with a place like Gaza that educated an entire generation of children to mutilate, terrorize and murder strangers.

"Israel's Arab neighbours want to see Hamas gone, but spurn role in governing Gaza afterward. ...

"There has to be a plan, an endgame with a timeline and the world must believe in it," Egypt's foreign minister Sameh Shoukry said as he met international journalists in London recently as part of a tour of Arab and Islamic ministers.

The group has been visiting global capitals with a dual agenda: first, to push for an extended ceasefire in Gaza, and second, to try to find the beginnings of an elusive new consensus on how the Palestinian territory should be governed afterward.
...

They were more equivocal, however, about ideas they will not consider. "If we want to talk about the day after the war, we won't come in and clean up after. That's not what we are going to do," said Shoukry.

That amounts to an outright rejection of the often floated suggestion that a pan-Arab administration combined with a multi-national security force could take over political and security control of Gaza once Israeli forces pull out. "We would be seen as the enemy," said Shoukry.
...

U.S. President Joe Biden is among the many outsiders who have suggested the most logical solution to the Gaza governance question is to turn it over to the Palestinian Authority, which has been in control of the occupied West Bank since 1994. Notably, none of the Arab ministers raised that possibility — even with the authority's foreign minister sitting among them.

"The trouble ... is the Palestinian Authority is particularly weak at the moment," Lousie Kettle, an assistant professor with the school of politics and international relations at the University of Nottingham, said on The Briefing Room, a BBC Radio 4 show. "It is perceived as weak by Palestinians and is seen as not being in touch and quite corrupt."

 

"War with Hamas costs NIS 1b a day, ​

hitting economy harder than previous conflicts.​


The total cost of the war is estimated to have a price tag of as much as NIS 150 billion to NIS 200 billion, equal to up to around 10 percent of gross domestic product,
according to recent report by the Institute for National Security Studies (INSS),
cited by Moody’s,
which last month put the Israeli government’s A1 credit ratings on review for downgrade.

The government’s spending will include billions of shekels on defense for the continued war effort;
absorbing wages of the hundreds of thousands of drafted reservists;
funding compensation for war-affected businesses;
and the reconstruction and rehabilitation of communities devastated in the October 7 Hamas terror onslaught.

Meanwhile,
fiscal revenues — mainly tax income — are expected to continue to slump as consumption, among other demand factors, is declining.

'While the economy has coped well with shocks over the past two decades,
the current military conflict will test Israel’s economic resiliency',
Muehlbronner noted.

More than 200,000 people have been displaced from communities along the southern and northern borders in the aftermath of the October 7 atrocities perpetrated by Hamas.

The Israeli army has called up around 350,000 reservists, which is disrupting the operations of thousands of businesses across the country.

The absence of 18% of the country’s workforce —
those drafted into the army,
those evacuated from their homes near the borders,
and parents caring for children as schools are only partly functioning —
is already putting a strain on the operations of manufacturing industries and the tech sector,
Moody’s cautioned.

The large civil and defense costs of the war,
including the package of financial aid for affected businesses, which is estimated to cost around 0.8% of GDP up to the end of November,
are expected to have a 'significant' impact on the government’s public finances, alongside a 'significant' decline in tax revenue,
Moody’s warned.

Since the outbreak of the war, Israel has raised NIS 30 billion in debt,
according to Finance Ministry data, out of which NIS 6 billion was dollar-denominated debt raised in international markets."

War with Hamas costs NIS 1b a day, hitting economy harder than previous conflicts | The Times of Israel

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Relative of Israeli hostages says his sister and nieces are happy to be home, but wish father also released​

Diego Engelbert told CNN en Español that his sister Karina Engel and two nieces Mika Engel, 18, and Yuval Engel, 11, are happy to be home and ready to start their lives again.

Engelbert said that the girls were noticeably skinnier since their release from captivity. Yuval also has to undergo surgery on her leg, but is expected to recover.

The sisters' father remains in Gaza as a hostage, which weighs heavy on their minds, Engelbert said.

“Tomorrow we are going to move forward and we are going to win,” he said.

Engelbert said he’s glad his loved ones are home, but called on the international community to continue supporting the many families who remain separated.

“This is not just Israel's problem. It is a global problem. Today it happened in Israel. Tomorrow it could happen somewhere else," Engelbert said.

www.cnn.com

November 27, 2023 Israel-Hamas war

The first groups of Israelis and Palestinians have been released under a brokered agreement that brought a temporary halt to fighting in Gaza. Israel said it received a list of a second group to be freed Saturday — and it includes children, a source told CNN.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
2 min ago

Father of American hostage remains “hopeful” her release will come before truce ends​

This photo shows Liat Beinin and Aviv Atzili in New York on August 2023.
This photo shows Liat Beinin and Aviv Atzili in New York on August 2023. Boaz Atzili/AP

Liat Beinin, an Israeli American woman being held hostage in Gaza, was expected to be among the 50 hostages Hamas released over the course of the initial four-day truce, according to the White House. But as of Monday, she remains in captivity.

"Obviously, I’m disappointed but we remain optimistic and hopeful that her release will come in the next two days," Yehuda Beinin, her father, told CNN's Erin Burnett Monday.

[...]

“We know that Aviv was wounded on the day of the attack and other than that, we have no knowledge, whatsoever, of Aviv, where he’s being held or who’s holding him, actually,” Yehuda Beinin said. "Obviously this lack of information and lack of definitive news is very concerning."

Beinin said he and his wife suspect other groups in Gaza that Hamas does not fully control may be holding his daughter or her husband.

“I don’t have specific information regarding who’s holding our daughter or Aviv. It just seems a reasonable conclusion given the course of events up till now," Yehuda said.
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www.cnn.com

November 27, 2023 Israel-Hamas war

The first groups of Israelis and Palestinians have been released under a brokered agreement that brought a temporary halt to fighting in Gaza. Israel said it received a list of a second group to be freed Saturday — and it includes children, a source told CNN.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
Dotta said:

"War with Hamas costs NIS 1b a day, ​

hitting economy harder than previous conflicts.​


The total cost of the war is estimated to have a price tag of as much as NIS 150 billion to NIS 200 billion, equal to up to around 10 percent of gross domestic product,
according to recent report by the Institute for National Security Studies (INSS),
cited by Moody’s,
which last month put the Israeli government’s A1 credit ratings on review for downgrade.

The government’s spending will include billions of shekels on defense for the continued war effort;
absorbing wages of the hundreds of thousands of drafted reservists;
funding compensation for war-affected businesses;
and the reconstruction and rehabilitation of communities devastated in the October 7 Hamas terror onslaught.

Meanwhile,
fiscal revenues — mainly tax income — are expected to continue to slump as consumption, among other demand factors, is declining.

'While the economy has coped well with shocks over the past two decades,
the current military conflict will test Israel’s economic resiliency',
Muehlbronner noted.

More than 200,000 people have been displaced from communities along the southern and northern borders in the aftermath of the October 7 atrocities perpetrated by Hamas.

The Israeli army has called up around 350,000 reservists, which is disrupting the operations of thousands of businesses across the country.

The absence of 18% of the country’s workforce —
those drafted into the army,
those evacuated from their homes near the borders,
and parents caring for children as schools are only partly functioning —
is already putting a strain on the operations of manufacturing industries and the tech sector,
Moody’s cautioned.

The large civil and defense costs of the war,
including the package of financial aid for affected businesses, which is estimated to cost around 0.8% of GDP up to the end of November,
are expected to have a 'significant' impact on the government’s public finances, alongside a 'significant' decline in tax revenue,
Moody’s warned.

Since the outbreak of the war, Israel has raised NIS 30 billion in debt,
according to Finance Ministry data, out of which NIS 6 billion was dollar-denominated debt raised in international markets."

War with Hamas costs NIS 1b a day, hitting economy harder than previous conflicts | The Times of Israel

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Thank you for reminding me it’s time for my weekly donation to Israeli organizations.
 
Reports unconfirmed at this time:

Unconfirmed reports of explosions and shootings in Gaza City.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1729364981039415710

#BREAKING | Sounds of clashes between resistance fighters and an Israeli force in the Sheikh Radwan neighborhood, GazaSounds of explosions in the place
https://twitter.com/x/status/1729366161672876388

Unconfirmed reports coming in from Telegram of gunfire and explosions heard in the Sheikh Radwan neighborhood of Northern Gaza.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1729365905610854479

Explosions and Gunfire can be heard throughout Gaza City and the Northern Gaza Strip; it is currently Unknown what is going on, but Israeli Tanks are claimed to have Opened Fire.
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1729367847401410623

#BREAKING | Half an hour ago, violent armed clashes took place in the areas of Sheikh Radwan and Al-Shati.A very strong explosion occurred in the place a short while ago
 
Dotta said:
:)
I use automatic bank transfers to pay my bills.
No need to remember,
only to have account full ;)
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Yes, thank you, I do as well.

Of course, charitable donations to organizations that help Israelis are not bills that are due.

These are gifts I choose to give and there is no timetable; I’ve just increased the frequency of my usual donations to weekly instead of monthly, as I did prior to the Hamas attack.
 
!!?? I'm thinking straight up Iranian propaganda perhaps?? All I can think of is that commercial with the ship, "Hello, we are a lighthouse". It takes a really, really long time for an AC carrier to "divert it's course" and she's got escorts. Unusual indeed.

An unusual military incident between Iran and the USA tonight in the Gulf: Iranian naval forces surrounded the American aircraft carrier Eisenhower, and according to the Iranians forced it to change its sailing route
https://twitter.com/x/status/1729373013588787200
 
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